FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[02 Warhawk]

This week's WIAC Matchups are posted.

I think it's no surprise what this week's Game of the Week is.

Edit: Almost forgot. John and Randy posted their WIAC Wrap as well.

[02 Warhawk]

To my UWW brethren. Any of your feel comforted that Buffalo State is now 2-4 on the year and dead last in the E8? Not counting the UWW game, Buffalo's defense has given up an average of 36 points per game. Yet we couldn't get in the damn endzone once that afternoon. I just can't wrap my head around that.

I know this is in the past, but I was blown away that they are 0-3 since coming to Whitewater.

[jknezek]

I think it was a case of UWW getting the best shot of a good team that pulled off a great upset. That team then went home and figured since they had won the "big game" the rest of the season would take care of itself. Sadly for Buf State, you have to play every week, not just get up for one big game, and the E8 is no easy place to have off weeks. Plus everyone who now plays Buf State wants to say they beat the team that beat UWW, so that just makes it a bit harder every week for them. If you are a consistently top team, you are used to that attitude from your opponents. Buf State hasn't been that consistently good team for a while, and I think they are just struggling with getting "the best shot" of everyone while trying to recover their footing and mindset after winning "the big game."

Buf State is a program that looks to be growing and heading the right direction again. But it may have actually been detrimental to win the UWW game for this season...

[WarhawkDad]

I think it was a case of UWW getting the best shot of a good team that pulled off a great upset. That team then went home and figured since they had won the "big game" the rest of the season would take care of itself. Sadly for Buf State, you have to play every week, not just get up for one big game, and the E8 is no easy place to have off weeks. Plus everyone who now plays Buf State wants to say they beat the team that beat UWW, so that just makes it a bit harder every week for them. If you are a consistently top team, you are used to that attitude from your opponents. Buf State hasn't been that consistently good team for a while, and I think they are just struggling with getting "the best shot" of everyone while trying to recover their footing and mindset after winning "the big game."

Buf State is a program that looks to be growing and heading the right direction again. But it may have actually been detrimental to win the UWW game for this season...

I agree completely.  Any team playing UWW is playing their Super Bowl/Stagg Bowl for the season.  Buff State won and that made them more confident than they should have been.  Add that to what jknezek said about opponents now wanting to beat the team that beat UWW and it became an uphill battle.   I actually have some compassion for them.....just a little....   

[02 Warhawk]

I think it was a case of UWW getting the best shot of a good team that pulled off a great upset.

They were the better team that day. But they are 2-4 on the year and 0-3 in conference. Is that considered a "good team"?

[jknezek]

I think it was a case of UWW getting the best shot of a good team that pulled off a great upset.

They were the better team that day. But they are 2-4 on the year and 0-3 in conference. Is that considered a "good team"?

Certainly they aren't having a good season, and I spelled out why I think that would be so, but they have the parts to be a good team. Being 2-4 and 0-3 aren't good results by any stretch, but I don't think they are as bad as their record indicates, nor do I think they are as good as the win over UWW suggested at the time. You can take the words however you want to read them.

[emma17]

To my UWW brethren. Any of your feel comforted that Buffalo State is now 2-4 on the year and dead last in the E8? Not counting the UWW game, Buffalo's defense has given up an average of 36 points per game. Yet we couldn't get in the damn endzone once that afternoon. I just can't wrap my head around that.

I know this is in the past, but I was blown away that they are 0-3 since coming to Whitewater.

Certainly the points made by jknezek and Wdad are possible explanations to what has happened to Buff State since UWW.  In my world Buff State is good-very good- meaning they have a legitimate chance to beat every team they play.   

That said, my direct reply to 02's post is this (sorry if this seems like piling on):
What this really shows is that Defenses don't win championships (easy 413)... without a reasonably functioning offense.  And if UWW is going to rely on the defense without an improvement to the offense, the final record will prove this out.
   
What's the difference between the Buff State loss and the victories for UWW?  Buff State had the fewest turnovers of any team UWW played this year.  In effect, Buff State was the only team this year to force UWW's offense to stand on its own and win the game.  And as happens so often in football, when a "favorite" allows the "non-favorite" to hang around long enough, then anything can happen.  4th and 19 happened with a perfectly executed double lateral, followed by a couple other excellent plays. 

Buff State is a good team in that they can compete with about anybody.  They outplayed all of UWW's other opponents in the turnover game, which is THE way UWW has been winning. 

[02 Warhawk]

To my UWW brethren. Any of your feel comforted that Buffalo State is now 2-4 on the year and dead last in the E8? Not counting the UWW game, Buffalo's defense has given up an average of 36 points per game. Yet we couldn't get in the damn endzone once that afternoon. I just can't wrap my head around that.

I know this is in the past, but I was blown away that they are 0-3 since coming to Whitewater.

Certainly the points made by jknezek and Wdad are possible explanations to what has happened to Buff State since UWW.  In my world Buff State is good-very good- meaning they have a legitimate chance to beat every team they play.   

That said, my direct reply to 02's post is this (sorry if this seems like piling on):
What this really shows is that Defenses don't win championships (easy 413)... without a reasonably functioning offense.  And if UWW is going to rely on the defense without an improvement to the offense, the final record will prove this out.
   
What's the difference between the Buff State loss and the victories for UWW?  Buff State had the fewest turnovers of any team UWW played this year.  In effect, Buff State was the only team this year to force UWW's offense to stand on its own and win the game.  And as happens so often in football, when a "favorite" allows the "non-favorite" to hang around long enough, then anything can happen.  4th and 19 happened with a perfectly executed double lateral, followed by a couple other excellent plays. 

Buff State is a good team in that they can compete with about anybody.  They outplayed all of UWW's other opponents in the turnover game, which is THE way UWW has been winning.

That's all good. But I'm more interested on the other side of the ball. It still bothers me that we couldn't get into the endzone when other teams had no problem piling up the points on these guys.

Maybe UWW's offense is just that bad....

Looking at all the games Buffalo State has played, it appears the UWW was statistical anomaly. Buffalo State played great defensively that game, but hasn't played good at all BEFORE or AFTER the UWW game. Mind boggling 

Where's Bobo when you need him??

[emma17]

To my UWW brethren. Any of your feel comforted that Buffalo State is now 2-4 on the year and dead last in the E8? Not counting the UWW game, Buffalo's defense has given up an average of 36 points per game. Yet we couldn't get in the damn endzone once that afternoon. I just can't wrap my head around that.

I know this is in the past, but I was blown away that they are 0-3 since coming to Whitewater.

Certainly the points made by jknezek and Wdad are possible explanations to what has happened to Buff State since UWW.  In my world Buff State is good-very good- meaning they have a legitimate chance to beat every team they play.   

That said, my direct reply to 02's post is this (sorry if this seems like piling on):
What this really shows is that Defenses don't win championships (easy 413)... without a reasonably functioning offense.  And if UWW is going to rely on the defense without an improvement to the offense, the final record will prove this out.
   
What's the difference between the Buff State loss and the victories for UWW?  Buff State had the fewest turnovers of any team UWW played this year.  In effect, Buff State was the only team this year to force UWW's offense to stand on its own and win the game.  And as happens so often in football, when a "favorite" allows the "non-favorite" to hang around long enough, then anything can happen.  4th and 19 happened with a perfectly executed double lateral, followed by a couple other excellent plays. 

Buff State is a good team in that they can compete with about anybody.  They outplayed all of UWW's other opponents in the turnover game, which is THE way UWW has been winning.

That's all good. But I'm more interested on the other side of the ball. It still bothers me that we couldn't get into the endzone when other teams had no problem piling up the points on these guys.

Maybe UWW's offense is just that bad??

Looking at the all the games Buffalo State has played, it appears the UWW was statistical anomaly. Buffalo State played great defensively that game, but hasn't played good at all BEFORE or AFTER the UWW. Mind boggling 

Where's Bobo when you need him??

I think we are saying the same thing aren't we?  The numbers don't lie- Yes the UWW offense is that bad.

[02 Warhawk]

To my UWW brethren. Any of your feel comforted that Buffalo State is now 2-4 on the year and dead last in the E8? Not counting the UWW game, Buffalo's defense has given up an average of 36 points per game. Yet we couldn't get in the damn endzone once that afternoon. I just can't wrap my head around that.

I know this is in the past, but I was blown away that they are 0-3 since coming to Whitewater.

Certainly the points made by jknezek and Wdad are possible explanations to what has happened to Buff State since UWW.  In my world Buff State is good-very good- meaning they have a legitimate chance to beat every team they play.   

That said, my direct reply to 02's post is this (sorry if this seems like piling on):
What this really shows is that Defenses don't win championships (easy 413)... without a reasonably functioning offense.  And if UWW is going to rely on the defense without an improvement to the offense, the final record will prove this out.
   
What's the difference between the Buff State loss and the victories for UWW?  Buff State had the fewest turnovers of any team UWW played this year.  In effect, Buff State was the only team this year to force UWW's offense to stand on its own and win the game.  And as happens so often in football, when a "favorite" allows the "non-favorite" to hang around long enough, then anything can happen.  4th and 19 happened with a perfectly executed double lateral, followed by a couple other excellent plays. 

Buff State is a good team in that they can compete with about anybody.  They outplayed all of UWW's other opponents in the turnover game, which is THE way UWW has been winning.

That's all good. But I'm more interested on the other side of the ball. It still bothers me that we couldn't get into the endzone when other teams had no problem piling up the points on these guys.

Maybe UWW's offense is just that bad??

Looking at the all the games Buffalo State has played, it appears the UWW was statistical anomaly. Buffalo State played great defensively that game, but hasn't played good at all BEFORE or AFTER the UWW. Mind boggling 

Where's Bobo when you need him??

I think we are saying the same thing aren't we?  The numbers don't lie- Yes the UWW offense is that bad.

Yea, I suppose we are.

But I 100% agree: Numbers don't lie. Whitewater played like crap and lost to a statistically bad defensive team. Oh well...I'll get over it someday  . I guess this would be easier to swallow if Buff State would have won the E8, but they have yet to win a conference game.

[badgerwarhawk]

I'd like to take an informal poll to help me set my itinery for this weekend.

UWW is at UW-Stout on Saturday and of course I plan to be there. 

Just 20 miles down the road - Durand which is my home town - is now ranked No. 2 in WIAA Division 4 and will be pllaying Ellsworth Friday night trying to wrap up the school's first unbeaten regular season in many years.

BTW - I am having a kidney stone removed surgically tomorrow morning.

Am I "biting off more than I can chew" by making it a doubleheader this weekend.

Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

I think that's a decision that you have to make, Voice.  You're the only one who really knows how you feel and how much stamina that you have.  If, after your treatments, you feel up to it go for it.  If you don't then it would probably be a good idea to skip one or both.  Either way I don't feel that's a question that neither I or anyone else other than you can answer. Your well being should always be your first concern.

Doing the Stout/WW game this Sat. and would love to have a chance to use that infamous quote from yesteryear, "Take that, Whitewater".  Got quite a bit of heat for that one as it was  10-0 Stout at the time and WW pounded us in the 2nd half.  Would love to to see you Voice if you decide you are up for the trip and I imagine BW probably has a big bowling thing planned and won't be making the trip!

ROTFLMAO, that's hilarious to recall. But in your defense SG wasn't it your broadcast partner that spoke those infamous words. 

No big bowling thing for me this weekend however no trip to Stout either.  I will be following the game on the radio and internet.  BTW, I've already told Mrs BW that I won't be bowling the Saturday of the Oshkosh game. 

[stoutguy]

I'd like to take an informal poll to help me set my itinery for this weekend.

UWW is at UW-Stout on Saturday and of course I plan to be there. 

Just 20 miles down the road - Durand which is my home town - is now ranked No. 2 in WIAA Division 4 and will be pllaying Ellsworth Friday night trying to wrap up the school's first unbeaten regular season in many years.

BTW - I am having a kidney stone removed surgically tomorrow morning.

Am I "biting off more than I can chew" by making it a doubleheader this weekend.

Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

I think that's a decision that you have to make, Voice.  You're the only one who really knows how you feel and how much stamina that you have.  If, after your treatments, you feel up to it go for it.  If you don't then it would probably be a good idea to skip one or both.  Either way I don't feel that's a question that neither I or anyone else other than you can answer. Your well being should always be your first concern.

Doing the Stout/WW game this Sat. and would love to have a chance to use that infamous quote from yesteryear, "Take that, Whitewater".  Got quite a bit of heat for that one as it was  10-0 Stout at the time and WW pounded us in the 2nd half.  Would love to to see you Voice if you decide you are up for the trip and I imagine BW probably has a big bowling thing planned and won't be making the trip!

ROTFLMAO, that's hilarious to recall. But in your defense SG wasn't it your broadcast partner that spoke those infamous words. 

No big bowling thing for me this weekend however no trip to Stout either.  I will be following the game on the radio and internet.  BTW, I've already told Mrs BW that I won't be bowling the Saturday of the Oshkosh game.

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Yup, it was my partner and good job on taking control in that bowling/football game thing.  I always knew you wore the pants.

[bleedpurple]

I think it was a case of UWW getting the best shot of a good team that pulled off a great upset. That team then went home and figured since they had won the "big game" the rest of the season would take care of itself. Sadly for Buf State, you have to play every week, not just get up for one big game, and the E8 is no easy place to have off weeks. Plus everyone who now plays Buf State wants to say they beat the team that beat UWW, so that just makes it a bit harder every week for them. If you are a consistently top team, you are used to that attitude from your opponents. Buf State hasn't been that consistently good team for a while, and I think they are just struggling with getting "the best shot" of everyone while trying to recover their footing and mindset after winning "the big game."

Buf State is a program that looks to be growing and heading the right direction again. But it may have actually been detrimental to win the UWW game for this season...

I'm not convinced it's done a lot for UW-W's season either.  Sounds like a lose-lose. Think they'd be ok with just going ahead and playing it over again? 

[jknezek]

I think it was a case of UWW getting the best shot of a good team that pulled off a great upset. That team then went home and figured since they had won the "big game" the rest of the season would take care of itself. Sadly for Buf State, you have to play every week, not just get up for one big game, and the E8 is no easy place to have off weeks. Plus everyone who now plays Buf State wants to say they beat the team that beat UWW, so that just makes it a bit harder every week for them. If you are a consistently top team, you are used to that attitude from your opponents. Buf State hasn't been that consistently good team for a while, and I think they are just struggling with getting "the best shot" of everyone while trying to recover their footing and mindset after winning "the big game."

Buf State is a program that looks to be growing and heading the right direction again. But it may have actually been detrimental to win the UWW game for this season...

I'm not convinced it's done a lot for UW-W's season either.  Sounds like a lose-lose. Think they'd be ok with just going ahead and playing it over again? 

Ha. No. I'm pretty sure those kids will look back on ending UWW's streak with a whole lot of pride for the rest of their lives. The rest of the season will probably fade into a slightly unsatisfying blur. And next year hopefully they'll handle success a little differently and push to be better all season long.

[WarhawkDad]

I think it was a case of UWW getting the best shot of a good team that pulled off a great upset. That team then went home and figured since they had won the "big game" the rest of the season would take care of itself. Sadly for Buf State, you have to play every week, not just get up for one big game, and the E8 is no easy place to have off weeks. Plus everyone who now plays Buf State wants to say they beat the team that beat UWW, so that just makes it a bit harder every week for them. If you are a consistently top team, you are used to that attitude from your opponents. Buf State hasn't been that consistently good team for a while, and I think they are just struggling with getting "the best shot" of everyone while trying to recover their footing and mindset after winning "the big game."

Buf State is a program that looks to be growing and heading the right direction again. But it may have actually been detrimental to win the UWW game for this season...

I'm not convinced it's done a lot for UW-W's season either.  Sounds like a lose-lose. Think they'd be ok with just going ahead and playing it over again? 

Ha. No. I'm pretty sure those kids will look back on ending UWW's streak with a whole lot of pride for the rest of their lives. The rest of the season will probably fade into a slightly unsatisfying blur. And next year hopefully they'll handle success a little differently and push to be better all season long.

And the UWW kids will look back at it with disappointment.    However, if UWW can run the table and make a deep run into the playoffs, then those memories would do alot to erase the Buff State game.