FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[emma17]

Anyone making the trip to Stevens Point?   Looks like a beautiful sunny day of 40 degrees.   

GBMan and I will be there.

I hope nothing I've said implied that I questioned emma's support of the program.  That has never been my intention.

I didn't think you were BW- thanks.

[emma17]

So now we have to devise a plan that gets UWW into the dance.

I think our best bet is to bypass the rules and formulas as it gets too complicated and somewhat depressing.  Like any good salesman, we have to appeal to the emotional side of the committee members.  These folks have the same little people in their heads as we do (how's that for a tee up?) and we need to get those little people arguing with each other.  This requires great help from the UWW offense as they must BURY every opponent and leave no doubt that the "new" UWW is like the "old" UWW- and not the recent UWW.
Like a political ad, we must remind every living being on the planet that the current UWW defense is the one that held UMU to 10 points last year and shut out St. Thomas.     

It would also help if UWO were to lose to UWL in appreciation for all the support I've given them- ingrates.   

[02 Warhawk]

So now we have to devise a plan that gets UWW into the dance.

I think our best bet is to bypass the rules and formulas as it gets too complicated and somewhat depressing.  Like any good salesman, we have to appeal to the emotional side of the committee members.  These folks have the same little people in their heads as we do (how's that for a tee up?) and we need to get those little people arguing with each other.  This requires great help from the UWW offense as they must BURY every opponent and leave no doubt that the "new" UWW is like the "old" UWW- and not the recent UWW.
Like a political ad, we must remind every living being on the planet that the current UWW defense is the one that held UMU to 10 points last year and shut out St. Thomas.     

It would also help if UWO were to lose to UWL in appreciation for all the support I've given them- ingrates.   

I might send the committee a fruit basket.

UWO needs to lose twice now.

[D O.C.]

How about if Bufflao State beats everyone else on their schedule 50-0?

[02 Warhawk]

How about if Bufflao State beats everyone else on their schedule 50-0?

Or finishes above .500 

[cubs]

Does football release Regional Rankings like baseball and basketball do?  If so, when is the first set released?

[02 Warhawk]

Does football release Regional Rankings like baseball and basketball do?  If so, when is the first set released?

October 31st

That'll give us a better layout of the playoff picture.

[thrunt01]

So i have a question for any Whitewater or Oshkosh fan, or anyone who has seen these two teams play this year. I'm just wondering how this Oshkosh team compares to the Whitewater teams of the past few years that have been so dominant. I know Oshkosh is a good team, but are they the type of team that will keep the WIAC in the stagg bowl? Are they good, or elite?

Not sure about past years but I do believe this UWO team is top 4 in the country this year.

My initial reaction in reading this post was "don't be silly".  Upon further review, however, don't be silly. 
Ha, just kidding.  Looking at # 2, 3 and 4- MHB is more balanced on offense this year, but they certainly give up their share of points.  Linfield- they give up their share of points.  St. Thomas- are they really the 4th best team?  It seems to me UWO has a strong enough D and certainly the playmakers on offense to be in the game vs. these teams.   

If Wara stays healthy I believe UWO has the skilled players (excellent receivers) on offense and a strong enough D to do very well in the playoffs.  I will caution though that once UWW decided to get serious on offense, some chinks in the UWO defense were exposed.

You got me. I basically think UWO is better than UST making them exactly number 4. As for the defense being exposed, UWW made changes at both QB and RB to different types of players. Both more mobile. It took UWO about a quarter to make the adjustments and get the victory. So yes if future teams decide to switch their pocket passing and power backs to a mobile QB and a scat back mid stream UWO would have to make some adjustments again.

I'd be curious as to what adjustments you believe UW-O made? After the two 3rd quarter UW-W TD drives to close the score to 21-13, the rest of the UW-W drives in the game were as follows:

UW-W drives from their own 41 to the UW-O 7. They lost the ball when UW-W fumbled on 4th and 1.
UW-W drives from their own 48 to the UW-O 28. They missed a FG.
UW-W gaines no yards from their own 6. On second down a wide receiver drops a pass without defensive contact at the 13. At worst, UW-W would have been left with a manageable 3rd and 3.
UW-W gaines no yards from their own 20. On first down, UW-W had a procedure penalty. On 3rd and 15, a wide open receiver drops a pass at the UW-W 48.
UW-W drives from their own 34 to the UW-O 8 before 4 straight incomplete passes ended the drive.

Other than possibly putting a foreign substance on the ball, what did the UW-O defense do to adjust to what UW-W was doing to them in the second half?

And let's not forget the choice, to not kick a field goal on 4th down, that would have brought us to within 5 points of the Titans near the beginning of the 4th quarter.  Thanks for the recap, BP, but, man, that is just depressing......................

But, let's not forget that a great defense usually has a lot to do with fumbles, incomplete passes, etc.

I agree with this as a general principle.  However, great defense has nothing to do with the two incompletions I cited. The receivers were wide open and Behrendt got them the ball. Both catches were easy catches that were dropped. 

And Dez did take a good shot on his fumble. I give UW-O credit for that, but I'm not sure that was a result of any UW-O "adjustment".  I am not saying UW-O doesn't have a good defense. I just didn't see where they were able to adjust to what UW-W was doing.  I think Emma's point is a valid one.  I am questioning the response that said "It took UW-O about a quarter to make the adjustments and get the victory."  So i ask again, what adjustments?

I didn't see UW-O adjustments. What I saw was UW-O dominate the first half and (looking back) won the game then when UW-W posed no threat to hurt them with the pass.  The 21 point halftime lead was obviously not insurmountable because UW-W was within 8 and had the ball on the UW-O 7 yard line on the last play of the 3rd quarter. However, when you fall behind by 21 at halftime, you are not leaving yourself enough margin for the mistakes UW-W made in the second half.

They blitzed more. Coach Cerroni even said wished he had done it sooner. Sometimes the adjustment isn't even scheme based so much as the player's attitude. They had to adjust to the momentum swinging the other way and did making plays when they needed to. What I saw was UWO dominate the first half, UWW counter punch in the 3rd and UWO step up with good scheme adjustments by the coaches in regards to the blitz and good mental adjustments by the players to make the plays when they needed to in the 4th. While UWW made some mistakes I cannot emphasize enough that those mistakes were caused at least partially by UWO and that in the crucial final drive of the game the UWO DBs were all in the right place for 4 consecutive plays to get the interception incompletions in crunch time.

[oshfb]

It'll be interesting to see how Oshkosh does without Wara. Hopefully Mrs. Wara quit having sons who are good at QB after Nate. 

It isn't often that there is a opposing player that I'm glad to see graduate.  Frankly most just don't concern me that much.  The last one I remember is Scott Krause, a quarterback at Point that more than likely only a few of you may recall.  But Wara definitely falls into that category.   It isn't a negative thing.  In fact, if anything, it's an indication of respect and I wish him the best of luck.  I'm just glad that we won't have to deal with him anymore after this season.

Ah yes, Scott Krause was a man beast. I played against him only 1x...would have liked to have played against him more though...fun playing against quality players like that.

[02 Warhawk]

So now we have to devise a plan that gets UWW into the dance.

I think our best bet is to bypass the rules and formulas as it gets too complicated and somewhat depressing.  Like any good salesman, we have to appeal to the emotional side of the committee members.  These folks have the same little people in their heads as we do (how's that for a tee up?) and we need to get those little people arguing with each other.  This requires great help from the UWW offense as they must BURY every opponent and leave no doubt that the "new" UWW is like the "old" UWW- and not the recent UWW.
Like a political ad, we must remind every living being on the planet that the current UWW defense is the one that held UMU to 10 points last year and shut out St. Thomas.     

It would also help if UWO were to lose to UWL in appreciation for all the support I've given them- ingrates.   

I might send the committee a fruit basket.

UWO needs to lose twice now.

What's going to kill Whitewater's playoff hopes was that Buffalo State loss. That hurts on two fronts:

1. It's a loss. Plain and simple....not good.

2. BSU is going to struggle to finish .500. If BSU went on to win the E8, I would feel better on making the playoffs knowing that UWW lost to two very good teams. But that's not the case at all.

So BSU screwed us by beating us, and by going on to have a rough year. I know the committee mainly looks at regional games when considering playoff teams. But I think nonregional games is a secondary factor in the consideration.

[HScoach]

So now we have to devise a plan that gets UWW into the dance.

I think our best bet is to bypass the rules and formulas as it gets too complicated and somewhat depressing.  Like any good salesman, we have to appeal to the emotional side of the committee members.  These folks have the same little people in their heads as we do (how's that for a tee up?) and we need to get those little people arguing with each other.  This requires great help from the UWW offense as they must BURY every opponent and leave no doubt that the "new" UWW is like the "old" UWW- and not the recent UWW.
Like a political ad, we must remind every living being on the planet that the current UWW defense is the one that held UMU to 10 points last year and shut out St. Thomas.     

It would also help if UWO were to lose to UWL in appreciation for all the support I've given them- ingrates.   

I might send the committee a fruit basket.

UWO needs to lose twice now.

What's going to kill Whitewater's playoff hopes was that Buffalo State loss. That hurts on two fronts:

1. It's a loss. Plain and simple....not good.

2. BSU is going to struggle to finish .500. If BSU went on to win the E8, I would feel better on making the playoffs knowing that UWW lost to two very good teams. But that's not the case at all.

So BSU screwed us by beating us, and by going on to have a rough year. I know the committee mainly looks at regional games when considering playoff teams. But I think nonregional games is a secondary factor in the consideration.

I'm not going to predict whether UWW makes it or not because I think it all depends on the number of teams that ultimately end up 9-1, but it's going to be very tough.  Regardless of whether it's in the criteria or not, it's hard to ignore a loss to a very average team at home.  And calling Buff State average is being generous. 

I wasn't surprised by the loss to Oshkosh, but still can't figure out the Buff State loss.  How does anyone from the WIAC, let alone the top dog, lose to a middle of the pack E-8 team?   That would be like Otterbein or Marietta coming to Wisconsin and winning a game.  That stuff just isn't supposed to happen. 

[WarhawkDad]

So now we have to devise a plan that gets UWW into the dance.

I think our best bet is to bypass the rules and formulas as it gets too complicated and somewhat depressing.  Like any good salesman, we have to appeal to the emotional side of the committee members.  These folks have the same little people in their heads as we do (how's that for a tee up?) and we need to get those little people arguing with each other.  This requires great help from the UWW offense as they must BURY every opponent and leave no doubt that the "new" UWW is like the "old" UWW- and not the recent UWW.
Like a political ad, we must remind every living being on the planet that the current UWW defense is the one that held UMU to 10 points last year and shut out St. Thomas.     

It would also help if UWO were to lose to UWL in appreciation for all the support I've given them- ingrates.   

I might send the committee a fruit basket.

UWO needs to lose twice now.

What's going to kill Whitewater's playoff hopes was that Buffalo State loss. That hurts on two fronts:

1. It's a loss. Plain and simple....not good.

2. BSU is going to struggle to finish .500. If BSU went on to win the E8, I would feel better on making the playoffs knowing that UWW lost to two very good teams. But that's not the case at all.

So BSU screwed us by beating us, and by going on to have a rough year. I know the committee mainly looks at regional games when considering playoff teams. But I think nonregional games is a secondary factor in the consideration.

I'm not going to predict whether UWW makes it or not because I think it all depends on the number of teams that ultimately end up 9-1, but it's going to be very tough.  Regardless of whether it's in the criteria or not, it's hard to ignore a loss to a very average team at home.  And calling Buff State average is being generous. 

I wasn't surprised by the loss to Oshkosh, but still can't figure out the Buff State loss.  How does anyone from the WIAC, let alone the top dog, lose to a middle of the pack E-8 team?   That would be like Otterbein or Marietta coming to Wisconsin and winning a game.  That stuff just isn't supposed to happen.

And that loss is the very reason that several UWW supporters (strong supporters) on this board and at the tailgates are questioning the decision making.  It was evident in the very first game against Wash U, that there were some issues to be addressed on offense. 

UWW needs to bury everyone from here on. 

[bleedpurple]

So now we have to devise a plan that gets UWW into the dance.

I think our best bet is to bypass the rules and formulas as it gets too complicated and somewhat depressing.  Like any good salesman, we have to appeal to the emotional side of the committee members.  These folks have the same little people in their heads as we do (how's that for a tee up?) and we need to get those little people arguing with each other.  This requires great help from the UWW offense as they must BURY every opponent and leave no doubt that the "new" UWW is like the "old" UWW- and not the recent UWW.
Like a political ad, we must remind every living being on the planet that the current UWW defense is the one that held UMU to 10 points last year and shut out St. Thomas.     

It would also help if UWO were to lose to UWL in appreciation for all the support I've given them- ingrates.  

I'm going to go all politically incorrect on this board and publicly say not only am I pulling for UW-O to lose the rest of their WIAC games (understandable), but will be rooting against them in every game in the playoffs (if they make it) as well. Probably parallel to blasphemy on this board, but since there is a full endorsement of open and honest dialogue among the members here, I thought I might as well put my sentiment out there.  And my reasons are purely logical, not emotional based on the UW-W loss on Saturday. 

[couchp54]

So now we have to devise a plan that gets UWW into the dance.

I think our best bet is to bypass the rules and formulas as it gets too complicated and somewhat depressing.  Like any good salesman, we have to appeal to the emotional side of the committee members.  These folks have the same little people in their heads as we do (how's that for a tee up?) and we need to get those little people arguing with each other.  This requires great help from the UWW offense as they must BURY every opponent and leave no doubt that the "new" UWW is like the "old" UWW- and not the recent UWW.
Like a political ad, we must remind every living being on the planet that the current UWW defense is the one that held UMU to 10 points last year and shut out St. Thomas.     

It would also help if UWO were to lose to UWL in appreciation for all the support I've given them- ingrates.  

I'm going to go all politically incorrect on this board and publicly say not only am I pulling for UW-O to lose the rest of their WIAC games (understandable), but will be rooting against them in every game in the playoffs (if they make it) as well. Probably parallel to blasphemy on this board, but since there is a full endorsement of open and honest dialogue among the members here, I thought I might as well put my sentiment out there.  And my reasons are purely logical, not emotional based on the UW-W loss on Saturday. 

I had no idea anyone actually cared who was rooting for which team.  Surprised you even put it out there.  Weird.  Remind me of my kids when they were in Jr High.

[bleedpurple]

So now we have to devise a plan that gets UWW into the dance.

I think our best bet is to bypass the rules and formulas as it gets too complicated and somewhat depressing.  Like any good salesman, we have to appeal to the emotional side of the committee members.  These folks have the same little people in their heads as we do (how's that for a tee up?) and we need to get those little people arguing with each other.  This requires great help from the UWW offense as they must BURY every opponent and leave no doubt that the "new" UWW is like the "old" UWW- and not the recent UWW.
Like a political ad, we must remind every living being on the planet that the current UWW defense is the one that held UMU to 10 points last year and shut out St. Thomas.     

It would also help if UWO were to lose to UWL in appreciation for all the support I've given them- ingrates.  

I'm going to go all politically incorrect on this board and publicly say not only am I pulling for UW-O to lose the rest of their WIAC games (understandable), but will be rooting against them in every game in the playoffs (if they make it) as well. Probably parallel to blasphemy on this board, but since there is a full endorsement of open and honest dialogue among the members here, I thought I might as well put my sentiment out there.  And my reasons are purely logical, not emotional based on the UW-W loss on Saturday. 

I had no idea anyone actually cared who was rooting for which team.  Surprised you even put it out there.  Weird.  Remind me of my kids when they were in Jr High.

If we only posted what people actually cared about, I'm pretty sure the boards would be pretty quiet.  But I'm sure you aren't the only one whose kids were weird when they were in Jr. High. Cheer up and Lighten up!