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Quote from: kluch on November 26, 2012, 03:18:06 PM
Gotta think that Linfield looks at that UW-P game tape to get an idea of how UW-O will scheme defensively.

Except Linfield won't get game tape of UWP-UWO. You only get the three most reent games to review.

kluch

Quote from: ILGator on November 26, 2012, 05:02:27 PM
Quote from: kluch on November 26, 2012, 03:18:06 PM
Gotta think that Linfield looks at that UW-P game tape to get an idea of how UW-O will scheme defensively.

Except Linfield won't get game tape of UWP-UWO. You only get the three most reent games to review.

Wow. Did not know that. Is that rule instituted in all divisions of NCAA football?

desertcat1

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 26, 2012, 01:51:29 PM
I took a look back at the Oshkosh/Bethel game. I wanted to compare Bethel's offense prior to throwing that late first-half pick, to their offense after the pick. To me that interception was EVERYTHING. Bethel had all the momentum in the world up until that point. They had the ball with minutes left in the first half and a two TD lead on the road. Then at 1:35 in the second quarter Bethel threw an interception that changed the face of the game.

Up until that point, Bethel scored two touchdowns on 216 yards of total offense. Following the interception (that setup Oshkosh's first TD) Bethel only managed 51 yards total the rest of the game!!! That includes three drives that ended in negative yards (-12, -1 and -1).

If Oshkosh's defense can play that good for 60 minutes, rather than 31 minutes, they can beat Linfield. Linfield's running game is average (at best), but can light it up threw the air. Oshkosh's defense can't give up huge chunks of passing yards to Linfield, like they did in the first half of the Bethel game.

Stop me when this sounds familar:
An underdog WIAC team, with little playoff experience, playing a quarterfinal game in McMinnville ......Does history repeat itself?!?!?!

It should be a good one

Hey 02,
Once is enough? ::) ;)
How did a 1-6 UW -stout hold Uwo  TO just 27 points.. ?  Did they just have a bad day?  ;)  I know it's the Wiac .. :o
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02 Warhawk

Quote from: desertcat1 on November 26, 2012, 05:38:27 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 26, 2012, 01:51:29 PM
I took a look back at the Oshkosh/Bethel game. I wanted to compare Bethel's offense prior to throwing that late first-half pick, to their offense after the pick. To me that interception was EVERYTHING. Bethel had all the momentum in the world up until that point. They had the ball with minutes left in the first half and a two TD lead on the road. Then at 1:35 in the second quarter Bethel threw an interception that changed the face of the game.

Up until that point, Bethel scored two touchdowns on 216 yards of total offense. Following the interception (that setup Oshkosh's first TD) Bethel only managed 51 yards total the rest of the game!!! That includes three drives that ended in negative yards (-12, -1 and -1).

If Oshkosh's defense can play that good for 60 minutes, rather than 31 minutes, they can beat Linfield. Linfield's running game is average (at best), but can light it up threw the air. Oshkosh's defense can't give up huge chunks of passing yards to Linfield, like they did in the first half of the Bethel game.

Stop me when this sounds familar:
An underdog WIAC team, with little playoff experience, playing a quarterfinal game in McMinnville ......Does history repeat itself?!?!?!

It should be a good one

Hey 02,
Once is enough? ::) ;)
How did a 1-6 UW -stout hold Uwo  TO just 27 points.. ?  Did they just have a bad day?  ;)  I know it's the Wiac .. :o

For the most part of the season Stout had a good defense. Then again, for reasons I'm not sure, their defense never got off the bus in some games.

desertcat1

well we know how good your D is and you gave them 28 too?  So it will be a good game with both O"s  POA  goin at it all day..  The D's will be dizzieeeee  ;D
tring to keep up?  ;) ;)
no snow scheduled  :D  maybe just a little rain..  :)
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HScoach

Quote from: ILGator on November 26, 2012, 05:02:27 PM
Quote from: kluch on November 26, 2012, 03:18:06 PM
Gotta think that Linfield looks at that UW-P game tape to get an idea of how UW-O will scheme defensively.

Except Linfield won't get game tape of UWP-UWO. You only get the three most recent games to review.

Right, because no one ever gets film on an opponent outside of the official NCAA 3 game swap.   If I was Linfield, Mount, MHB, Wesley or any other team with legit plans to make the playoffs, I spend most of my fall collecting every possible film and TV broadcast of every decent team in the nation. 
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Quote from: desertcat1 on November 26, 2012, 06:01:17 PM
well we know how good your D is and you gave them 28 too?  So it will be a good game with both O"s  POA  goin at it all day..  The D's will be dizzieeeee  ;D
tring to keep up?  ;) ;)
no snow scheduled  :D  maybe just a little rain..  :)

I wonder if this will be the high scoring game some are expecting.  A case can be made that perhaps play calling will get a bit more conservative to prevent mistakes.  Linfield benefitted greatly from NCC trying to throw so much (still can't figure that out). If UWO finds success in their ground game, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't put the ball in the air so much.  Granted, I think Wara is a better passer, but Linfield does a really good job in pass coverage and rushing the passer.   

desertcat1

Quote from: emma17 on November 26, 2012, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 26, 2012, 06:01:17 PM
well we know how good your D is and you gave them 28 too?  So it will be a good game with both O"s  POA  goin at it all day..  The D's will be dizzieeeee  ;D
tring to keep up?  ;) ;)
no snow scheduled  :D  maybe just a little rain..  :)

I wonder if this will be the high scoring game some are expecting.  A case can be made that perhaps play calling will get a bit more conservative to prevent mistakes.  Linfield benefitted greatly from NCC trying to throw so much (still can't figure that out). If UWO finds success in their ground game, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't put the ball in the air so much.  Granted, I think Wara is a better passer, but Linfield does a really good job in pass coverage and rushing the passer.   

Looked like bethel did a pretty good job in the air before half- time adjustments? Did not see the second half. 
looking for a good game something like the UWW 05 game i hope..  :)

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bleedpurple

Quote from: emma17 on November 26, 2012, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 26, 2012, 06:01:17 PM
well we know how good your D is and you gave them 28 too?  So it will be a good game with both O"s  POA  goin at it all day..  The D's will be dizzieeeee  ;D
tring to keep up?  ;) ;)
no snow scheduled  :D  maybe just a little rain..  :)

I wonder if this will be the high scoring game some are expecting.  A case can be made that perhaps play calling will get a bit more conservative to prevent mistakes.  Linfield benefitted greatly from NCC trying to throw so much (still can't figure that out). If UWO finds success in their ground game, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't put the ball in the air so much.  Granted, I think Wara is a better passer, but Linfield does a really good job in pass coverage and rushing the passer.   

You have touched here on the key to the game from Linfield's perspective.  They have to have some success on early downs in stopping UW-O's ground game.  Linfield also has to run the ball, at least a little bit.  They certainly have to run it better than they did against NCC.  If neither of these things happen, they are going to put a lot of pressure on Inns and the passing game to bail them out. He still may be able to do it, but as 413 always says, balance is huge at this time of year.

UW-O has to find a way to stop/slow down Linfield's passing game.  Offensively, they have to find a way to protect Wara.  Linfield has 60 sacks this year, which is a crazy number! Even Mount, who hasn't played a competitive game all year has "only" 35 sacks. 

The two wildcards I see in looking at these teams are:

1. Wara hurting Linfield by pulling the ball down and taking off on passing plays. I haven't seen enough of Linfield to know how disciplined they have been in getting all those sacks.
2. Linfield taking care of the football.  They have fumbled 24 times this year (losing 15).  That's too many fumbles.

oshfb

Quote from: kluch on November 26, 2012, 03:18:06 PM
Quote from: oshfb on November 26, 2012, 12:51:24 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 26, 2012, 11:43:32 AM
Quote from: kluch on November 26, 2012, 10:54:40 AM
About 14 minutes of UW-O's post game presser was posted by d3football. Great watch, i'm actually surprised by how candid Coach Cerroni is in many of these questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMjZGBFu438&feature=share&list=PL2O_uY7lJEsIrEMWhNBlD0eRv1op2OCNm

Thanks for posting kluch.
That was interesting and refreshing, I really enjoyed Coach Cerroni's genuine personality and his candid answers.  I'm an even bigger fan now.

I think you see why so many enjoyed playing for him.  8-)

What I thought most interesting was, at around the 9:50 mark, Coach Cerroni talks about the secondary issues. "Our corners can't be put on islands all the time". Do you think we can expect to see Cerroni dial back the blitz schemes and stick in zone coverage in order to keep the Linfield WR's in front of them and give them as much safety help as possible?
Also wondering, for those in the know, would Platteville be a good comparison to Linfield as far as offensive scheme is concerned? If you take a quick look at both UW-P and Linfield's cumulative offensive season stats, the similarities are there.
http://www.linfield.edu/sports/stats/fb/teamcume.htm
http://athletics.uwplatt.edu/sports/fball/2012-13/stats/teamcume.htm

Gotta think that Linfield looks at that UW-P game tape to get an idea of how UW-O will scheme defensively.

Well if what he said is true it sounds as though they'll try to limit the occassions where the weak corner is on an island in man coverage...which when I played (4-2-5 versus 3-4-4) was frequent. Not sure what that will mean to their blitz package. UWO will run the same coverages and same schemes they've played all year long.

They also got a safety back after being out 4 games...might have been a bit rusty. I expect the secondary to play well against the talented Linfield squad.

Should be fun!
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OK, as long as he's BEWara when he runs he'll get hit really, really hard.
I don't think the coaching staff wants to lose him so I expect him to slide a lot.
He may score tds running though. Still...

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Quote from: HScoach on November 26, 2012, 06:45:09 PM
Quote from: ILGator on November 26, 2012, 05:02:27 PM
Quote from: kluch on November 26, 2012, 03:18:06 PM
Gotta think that Linfield looks at that UW-P game tape to get an idea of how UW-O will scheme defensively.

Except Linfield won't get game tape of UWP-UWO. You only get the three most recent games to review.

Right, because no one ever gets film on an opponent outside of the official NCAA 3 game swap.   If I was Linfield, Mount, MHB, Wesley or any other team with legit plans to make the playoffs, I spend most of my fall collecting every possible film and TV broadcast of every decent team in the nation.

Heck, I do that as a HS Coach.  My team was in a battle to make the playoffs, and our possible playoff opponent had three of their games archived on the internet.  Two weeks prior to the playoff game, I was downloading them from YouTube, Importing them into HUDL, and started breaking down film.  Unfortunately we missed out on the playoffs, but we would have been prepared with more than the required 2 weeks of previous game film required to trade by the state.
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emma17

Quote from: D O.C. on November 27, 2012, 01:57:22 AM
OK, as long as he's BEWara when he runs he'll get hit really, really hard.
I don't think the coaching staff wants to lose him so I expect him to slide a lot.
He may score tds running though. Still...

Right..., because nobody in the WIAC can hit like those Cats can.
I'm sure he'll be sliding like Lou Brock-

footballfan413

Quote from: emma17 on November 27, 2012, 09:34:57 AM
Quote from: D O.C. on November 27, 2012, 01:57:22 AM
OK, as long as he's BEWara when he runs he'll get hit really, really hard.
I don't think the coaching staff wants to lose him so I expect him to slide a lot.
He may score tds running though. Still...

Right..., because nobody in the WIAC can hit like those Cats can.
I'm sure he'll be sliding like Lou Brock-
LOL, you beat me to it, 17.  I'm sure he didn't feel a thing on Sunday after our game............... ;D
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footballfan413

Quote from: bleedpurple on November 26, 2012, 07:58:23 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 26, 2012, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on November 26, 2012, 06:01:17 PM
well we know how good your D is and you gave them 28 too?  So it will be a good game with both O"s  POA  goin at it all day..  The D's will be dizzieeeee  ;D
tring to keep up?  ;) ;)
no snow scheduled  :D  maybe just a little rain..  :)

I wonder if this will be the high scoring game some are expecting.  A case can be made that perhaps play calling will get a bit more conservative to prevent mistakes.  Linfield benefitted greatly from NCC trying to throw so much (still can't figure that out). If UWO finds success in their ground game, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't put the ball in the air so much.  Granted, I think Wara is a better passer, but Linfield does a really good job in pass coverage and rushing the passer.   

You have touched here on the key to the game from Linfield's perspective.  They have to have some success on early downs in stopping UW-O's ground game.  Linfield also has to run the ball, at least a little bit.  They certainly have to run it better than they did against NCC.  If neither of these things happen, they are going to put a lot of pressure on Inns and the passing game to bail them out. He still may be able to do it, but as 413 always says, balance is huge at this time of year.

UW-O has to find a way to stop/slow down Linfield's passing game.  Offensively, they have to find a way to protect Wara.  Linfield has 60 sacks this year, which is a crazy number! Even Mount, who hasn't played a competitive game all year has "only" 35 sacks. 

The two wildcards I see in looking at these teams are:

1. Wara hurting Linfield by pulling the ball down and taking off on passing plays. I haven't seen enough of Linfield to know how disciplined they have been in getting all those sacks.
2. Linfield taking care of the football.  They have fumbled 24 times this year (losing 15).  That's too many fumbles.
Great perspective, BP.  Only thing I would add is............

Balance is HUGE at this time of year.   ;)
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"You can learn more character on the two-yard line than anywhere else in
life." Paul Dietzel / LSU