FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

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I agree! 

[MonroviaCat]

Not to start in again, but the idea that no one can question something because they don't have the required "cedentials" is ludicrous. A valid point is a valid point, no matter who the "pointer" is. Same for invalid points. Arguements should be held on the message, not the messenger. Ad Hominum attacks are invalid, no matter the validity of the argument. Period, end of discussion.

Great point--to bad you are not qualified to make it  

[bleedpurple]

Not to start in again, but the idea that no one can question something because they don't have the required "cedentials" is ludicrous. A valid point is a valid point, no matter who the "pointer" is. Same for invalid points. Arguements should be held on the message, not the messenger. Ad Hominum attacks are invalid, no matter the validity of the argument. Period, end of discussion.

Clown. 

[HScoach]

Totally agree - Mount has earned home field!

That's a bunch of BS. You go year to year based on who they play during the season and SOS. 

Is it?!?! Because that's exactly what's going on. Mount has ran the table in the second best conference in DIII for seven straight years now.

How did Heidleberg do....Laugh.

Don't completely dismiss the OAC simply because Heidelberg, who was 0-36 just a few years ago and qualified for the playoffs for the first time EVER, lost a big halftime lead by pissing down their leg in the 2nd half.  Expecting a team made up almost entirely of sophomores to win their 1st playoff game against a decent opponent is asking for a lot. 

Now, I personally think the OAC is slightly over rated at #2 because the bottom half of the conference is horrid, but it's a top 5 conference.  I'd personally rank it right now as:
1  WIAC
2  CCIW
3  NWC
4  OAC
5  E-8

The OAC is cred with some because of Mount, but others assume it sucks because no one can beat Mount in conference.  Another perspective of OAC strength is to consider the
2nd place OAC team when it makes the playoffs.  The following list is off the top of my head.  Might be missing one. 

Here's the list of #2 OAC teams that lost to Mount again in the playoffs:
2006 - Capital lost to Mount in Round 3 by 3 points.  Had 4th quarter lead
2005 - Capital lost to Mount in the Round 3 by 3 points.  Had 4th quarter lead
2002  -  John Carroll  lost to Mount in the SEMI-FINALS
2000  - Ohio Northern lost to Mount in Round 1
1999 - Ohio Northern lost to Mount in Round 2
1997 –  John Carroll lost to Mount in Round 2

OAC losses that I can remember against someone else:
Baldwin Wallace (led by MSU transfer Dan Larlham at QB) to Wheaton (I think) back in the early 2000's / 99% sure Wheaton ended up losing to Mount again
Capital in UWW in Round 1
Otterbein (first ever playoff appearance)to Franklin a few years ago in a shoot out
Heidelberg (first ever playoff appearance) this year


I fully realize we're not the WIAC, CCIW, NWC or E-8 when it comes to depth and/or parity from top to bottom, and I know it's hard for the rest of the nation to realize, but the OAC is has been a little bit more than just Mount Union and a bunch of crap teams.

[02 Warhawk]

Totally agree - Mount has earned home field!

That's a bunch of BS. You go year to year based on who they play during the season and SOS. 

Is it?!?! Because that's exactly what's going on. Mount has ran the table in the second best conference in DIII for seven straight years now.

How did Heidleberg do....Laugh.

Don't completely dismiss the OAC simply because Heidelberg, who was 0-36 just a few years ago and qualified for the playoffs for the first time EVER, lost a big halftime lead by pissing down their leg in the 2nd half.  Expecting a team made up almost entirely of sophomores to win their 1st playoff game against a decent opponent is asking for a lot. 

Now, I personally think the OAC is slightly over rated at #2 because the bottom half of the conference is horrid, but it's a top 5 conference.  I'd personally rank it right now as:
1  WIAC
2  CCIW
3  NWC
4  OAC
5  E-8

The OAC is cred with some because of Mount, but others assume it sucks because no one can beat Mount in conference.  Another perspective of OAC strength is to consider the
2nd place OAC team when it makes the playoffs.  The following list is off the top of my head.  Might be missing one. 

Here's the list of #2 OAC teams that lost to Mount again in the playoffs:
2006 - Capital lost to Mount in Round 3 by 3 points.  Had 4th quarter lead
2005 - Capital lost to Mount in the Round 3 by 3 points.  Had 4th quarter lead
2002  -  John Carroll  lost to Mount in the SEMI-FINALS
2000  - Ohio Northern lost to Mount in Round 1
1999 - Ohio Northern lost to Mount in Round 2
1997 –  John Carroll lost to Mount in Round 2

OAC losses that I can remember against someone else:
Baldwin Wallace (led by MSU transfer Dan Larlham at QB) to Wheaton (I think) back in the early 2000's / 99% sure Wheaton ended up losing to Mount again
Capital in UWW in Round 1
Otterbein (first ever playoff appearance)to Franklin a few years ago in a shoot out
Heidelberg (first ever playoff appearance) this year


I fully realize we're not the WIAC, CCIW, NWC or E-8 when it comes to depth and/or parity from top to bottom, and I know it's hard for the rest of the nation to realize, but the OAC is has been a little bit more than just Mount Union and a bunch of crap teams.

I'm very curious to see how Oshkosh does in the playoffs (so far so good, obviously). With Whitewater being down this year, I wonder if Oshkosh can make a deep run to keep the WIAC on top of this list.

When Oshkosh was down 14-0 in the first half last weekend verse Bethel, I seriously thought the WIAC would take a dive in the rankings if Bethel would have hung on to win. 1) Because Whitewater, the best team in the nation four of the past five years, fails to make the playoffs. And 2) the lone WIAC rep in the playoffs gets upset in round two.

I know, This is a moot point considering that Oshkosh went on to win that game. So I was just thinking "What if...."

What would be cool if Oshkosh gets all the way to the Stagg Bowl. Then two WIAC teams made it to the Stagg Bowl in eight straight years (not at the same time, of course). That would be something no other conference can say.

[Pat Coleman]

Just as a note, the WIAC was at the top of the list even before UWW starting going to the Stagg Bowl. UWO doesn't have to win another game to keep the WIAC on top of the list because it is based on overall conference strength, not just one team.

[02 Warhawk]

Just as a note, the WIAC was at the top of the list even before UWW starting going to the Stagg Bowl. UWO doesn't have to win another game to keep the WIAC on top of the list because it is based on overall conference strength, not just one team.

Yea, I figured that was the case. I was just thinking what it would take for the WIAC to fall.

I'm guessing the bottom half of the WIAC would have to become REALLY bad, like most conferences...but I don't see that happening anytime soon. River Falls seems to be improving, actually.

[desertcat1]

Totally agree - Mount has earned home field!

That's a bunch of BS. You go year to year based on who they play during the season and SOS. 

Is it?!?! Because that's exactly what's going on. Mount has ran the table in the second best conference in DIII for seven straight years now.

How did Heidleberg do....Laugh.

Don't completely dismiss the OAC simply because Heidelberg, who was 0-36 just a few years ago and qualified for the playoffs for the first time EVER, lost a big halftime lead by pissing down their leg in the 2nd half.  Expecting a team made up almost entirely of sophomores to win their 1st playoff game against a decent opponent is asking for a lot. 

Now, I personally think the OAC is slightly over rated at #2 because the bottom half of the conference is horrid, but it's a top 5 conference.  I'd personally rank it right now as:
1  WIAC
2  CCIW
3  NWC
4  OAC
5  E-8

The OAC is cred with some because of Mount, but others assume it sucks because no one can beat Mount in conference.  Another perspective of OAC strength is to consider the
2nd place OAC team when it makes the playoffs.  The following list is off the top of my head.  Might be missing one. 

Here's the list of #2 OAC teams that lost to Mount again in the playoffs:
2006 - Capital lost to Mount in Round 3 by 3 points.  Had 4th quarter lead
2005 - Capital lost to Mount in the Round 3 by 3 points.  Had 4th quarter lead
2002  -  John Carroll  lost to Mount in the SEMI-FINALS
2000  - Ohio Northern lost to Mount in Round 1
1999 - Ohio Northern lost to Mount in Round 2
1997 –  John Carroll lost to Mount in Round 2

OAC losses that I can remember against someone else:
Baldwin Wallace (led by MSU transfer Dan Larlham at QB) to Wheaton (I think) back in the early 2000's / 99% sure Wheaton ended up losing to Mount again
Capital in UWW in Round 1
Otterbein (first ever playoff appearance)to Franklin a few years ago in a shoot out
Heidelberg (first ever playoff appearance) this year


I fully realize we're not the WIAC, CCIW, NWC or E-8 when it comes to depth and/or parity from top to bottom, and I know it's hard for the rest of the nation to realize, but the OAC is has been a little bit more than just Mount Union and a bunch of crap teams.

I'm very curious to see how Oshkosh does in the playoffs (so far so good, obviously). With Whitewater being down this year, I wonder if Oshkosh can make a deep run to keep the WIAC on top of this list.

When Oshkosh was down 14-0 in the first half last weekend verse Bethel, I seriously thought the WIAC would take a dive in the rankings if Bethel would have hung on to win. 1) Because Whitewater, the best team in the nation four of the past five years, fails to make the playoffs. And 2) the lone WIAC rep in the playoffs gets upset in round two.

I know, This is a moot point considering that Oshkosh went on to win that game. So I was just thinking "What if...."

What would be cool if Oshkosh gets all the way to the Stagg Bowl. Then two WIAC teams made it to the Stagg Bowl in eight straight years (not at the same time, of course). That would be something no other conference can say.

First off 02,  nice job on your pre - game write-up..

Another tid -bit,   The NWC is the ONLY Conference to WiN the STAGG with TWO different TEAMS after joining the ncaa in  only 5 years...  PLU 1999,  Linfield 2004..
. Most D3 fans don't give PLU credit in their polls.. They are good ..  And that is not easy for a lifer cat fan to say.

go Cats
Go BIG D

[02 Warhawk]

Totally agree - Mount has earned home field!

That's a bunch of BS. You go year to year based on who they play during the season and SOS. 

Is it?!?! Because that's exactly what's going on. Mount has ran the table in the second best conference in DIII for seven straight years now.

How did Heidleberg do....Laugh.

Don't completely dismiss the OAC simply because Heidelberg, who was 0-36 just a few years ago and qualified for the playoffs for the first time EVER, lost a big halftime lead by pissing down their leg in the 2nd half.  Expecting a team made up almost entirely of sophomores to win their 1st playoff game against a decent opponent is asking for a lot. 

Now, I personally think the OAC is slightly over rated at #2 because the bottom half of the conference is horrid, but it's a top 5 conference.  I'd personally rank it right now as:
1  WIAC
2  CCIW
3  NWC
4  OAC
5  E-8

The OAC is cred with some because of Mount, but others assume it sucks because no one can beat Mount in conference.  Another perspective of OAC strength is to consider the
2nd place OAC team when it makes the playoffs.  The following list is off the top of my head.  Might be missing one. 

Here's the list of #2 OAC teams that lost to Mount again in the playoffs:
2006 - Capital lost to Mount in Round 3 by 3 points.  Had 4th quarter lead
2005 - Capital lost to Mount in the Round 3 by 3 points.  Had 4th quarter lead
2002  -  John Carroll  lost to Mount in the SEMI-FINALS
2000  - Ohio Northern lost to Mount in Round 1
1999 - Ohio Northern lost to Mount in Round 2
1997 –  John Carroll lost to Mount in Round 2

OAC losses that I can remember against someone else:
Baldwin Wallace (led by MSU transfer Dan Larlham at QB) to Wheaton (I think) back in the early 2000's / 99% sure Wheaton ended up losing to Mount again
Capital in UWW in Round 1
Otterbein (first ever playoff appearance)to Franklin a few years ago in a shoot out
Heidelberg (first ever playoff appearance) this year


I fully realize we're not the WIAC, CCIW, NWC or E-8 when it comes to depth and/or parity from top to bottom, and I know it's hard for the rest of the nation to realize, but the OAC is has been a little bit more than just Mount Union and a bunch of crap teams.

I'm very curious to see how Oshkosh does in the playoffs (so far so good, obviously). With Whitewater being down this year, I wonder if Oshkosh can make a deep run to keep the WIAC on top of this list.

When Oshkosh was down 14-0 in the first half last weekend verse Bethel, I seriously thought the WIAC would take a dive in the rankings if Bethel would have hung on to win. 1) Because Whitewater, the best team in the nation four of the past five years, fails to make the playoffs. And 2) the lone WIAC rep in the playoffs gets upset in round two.

I know, This is a moot point considering that Oshkosh went on to win that game. So I was just thinking "What if...."

What would be cool if Oshkosh gets all the way to the Stagg Bowl. Then two WIAC teams made it to the Stagg Bowl in eight straight years (not at the same time, of course). That would be something no other conference can say.

First off 02,  nice job on your pre - game write-up..

Another tid -bit,   The NWC is the ONLY Conference to WiN the STAGG with TWO different TEAMS after joining the ncaa in  only 5 years...  PLU 1999,  Linfield 2004..
. Most D3 fans don't give PLU credit in their polls.. They are good ..  And that is not easy for a lifer cat fan to say.

go Cats
Go BIG D

Yea, that's right. I think PLU was the lowest ranked to team to ever win the Stagg. I wonder what conference is the closest - realistically - to accomplish that?

- WIAC (Oshkosh)
- MIAC (St. Thomas)

[Pat Coleman]

PLU was a seven seed. We've had other seven and eight seeds advance to the semifinals but not win it all, obviously.

[kluch]

I'm still wondering how similar UWP's offense is to Linfield's. Is there anyone out there who's seen both teams play and can provide any info where that's concerned?

[d-train]

PLU was a seven seed. We've had other seven and eight seeds advance to the semifinals but not win it all, obviously.

I think SJU was a seven seed in 2000 (Stagg Bowl loss).

[02 Warhawk]

Fans of Oshkosh (or the WIAC)...what to expect from Linfield

[Pat Coleman]

PLU was a seven seed. We've had other seven and eight seeds advance to the semifinals but not win it all, obviously.

I think SJU was a seven seed in 2000 (Stagg Bowl loss).

That's right -- been so long since we actually had seeds I forgot about that one.

[d-train]

PLU was a seven seed. We've had other seven and eight seeds advance to the semifinals but not win it all, obviously.

I think SJU was a seven seed in 2000 (Stagg Bowl loss).

That's right -- been so long since we actually had seeds I forgot about that one.

I just remember because (I'm a PLU guy and) that made back-to-back years where the West's lowest seed (and a conference runner-up) played in the Stagg Bowl.  Gave Mt. all they could handle too.

Sorry for the thread hijack WIAC fans.  Looking forward to another solid playoff match-up.  Whitewater's two trips to Oregon (in '05 and '08) were great games.  Not so much for UW-L in '04 - but this UW-O team is several notches above that squad.