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Anyone know the style of Offense Oshkosh operates?

Pain!!!!

Any video to view this pain you two speak of?

Summit I don't know of any video out there but if anyone is going to have it, I bet it will be the Linfield guys.  They have a cool website catdomealumni.com that has some archived games.  Maybe someone will put something up there this week.  I don't know where else to look unless there is video on the Gagliardi finalists- that would have some Nate stuff.

Thanks! yeah - i checked catdomealumni.com - very impressive website - nothing has been posted yet. I checked their actual website - it seems you need a subscription to view the archived games on there too.... Oh, well.

So - maybe you can help - the style offense from what I gathered so far - Pistol/Shotgun 1 RB sets - 3 wide and a H-back - So - almost reminds me of the Bethel team in 2010 UST faced - Very Good RB - Capable WR - Quick- tough d-fense - with pursuit to the ball - except the Oshkosh QB - He seems to be a much better duel threat than anything UST has most likely seen.

Thoughts? - Anything you can add?

Run a lot of option out of duece formations or double wide/double wing or single wide/double wing formations. Similar to former River Falls option offense.

[oshfb]

Anyone know the style of Offense Oshkosh operates?

Pain!!!!

Any video to view this pain you two speak of?

Summit I don't know of any video out there but if anyone is going to have it, I bet it will be the Linfield guys.  They have a cool website catdomealumni.com that has some archived games.  Maybe someone will put something up there this week.  I don't know where else to look unless there is video on the Gagliardi finalists- that would have some Nate stuff.

Thanks! yeah - i checked catdomealumni.com - very impressive website - nothing has been posted yet. I checked their actual website - it seems you need a subscription to view the archived games on there too.... Oh, well.

So - maybe you can help - the style offense from what I gathered so far - Pistol/Shotgun 1 RB sets - 3 wide and a H-back - So - almost reminds me of the Bethel team in 2010 UST faced - Very Good RB - Capable WR - Quick- tough d-fense - with pursuit to the ball - except the Oshkosh QB - He seems to be a much better duel threat than anything UST has most likely seen.

Thoughts? - Anything you can add?

Linfield fans asked the same question last week, and I responded with this (I also added a few things):

Their offense is very unique. They run the option read out of every formation possible. Which drives defenses bananas!! When you think of an option team, you think of a run dominated offense that rarelly passes. UWO however manages to remain balanced where the pass is just as dangerous as the run. Their QB, Wara, (as you might know) is a Gagliardi finalist, and is probably the most athletic QB in D3. If it wasn't for his two brothers playing for the Titans in years past, he probably would have walked on at Madison. He has all the tools a QB needs. He runs very well with the ball, and makes all the throws you can ask. In fact, he only threw one interception in the regular season...which is just amazing. Needless to say he was the WIAC player of the Year. His favorite target is Voss, who has size and speed at WR. They run a ton of bubble screens, and once in awhile (when they catch the defense cheating) they will go over the top for a big gain. Their running back, Myra, is really good as well. He finished in the top three in rushing in the WIAC. He is a load to bring down. He had one TD run last week where he dragged one or two linfield defenders five yards for a touchdown.

Their defense is very solid, but during this postseason, their defense hasn't shown up until the second half of these games. If you want to, look back at the box scores of the Bethel and Linfield games. And compare the second half to the first half. Oshkosh seems like a different team. Their defense just shut down Bethel and Linfield in those second halfs....while geting torched in the first half. The coaching staff has made outstanding adjustments at halftime.

3 older brothers actually

[02 Warhawk]

Anyone know the style of Offense Oshkosh operates?

Pain!!!!

Any video to view this pain you two speak of?

Summit I don't know of any video out there but if anyone is going to have it, I bet it will be the Linfield guys.  They have a cool website catdomealumni.com that has some archived games.  Maybe someone will put something up there this week.  I don't know where else to look unless there is video on the Gagliardi finalists- that would have some Nate stuff.

Thanks! yeah - i checked catdomealumni.com - very impressive website - nothing has been posted yet. I checked their actual website - it seems you need a subscription to view the archived games on there too.... Oh, well.

So - maybe you can help - the style offense from what I gathered so far - Pistol/Shotgun 1 RB sets - 3 wide and a H-back - So - almost reminds me of the Bethel team in 2010 UST faced - Very Good RB - Capable WR - Quick- tough d-fense - with pursuit to the ball - except the Oshkosh QB - He seems to be a much better duel threat than anything UST has most likely seen.

Thoughts? - Anything you can add?

Linfield fans asked the same question last week, and I responded with this (I also added a few things):

Their offense is very unique. They run the option read out of every formation possible. Which drives defenses bananas!! When you think of an option team, you think of a run dominated offense that rarelly passes. UWO however manages to remain balanced where the pass is just as dangerous as the run. Their QB, Wara, (as you might know) is a Gagliardi finalist, and is probably the most athletic QB in D3. If it wasn't for his two brothers playing for the Titans in years past, he probably would have walked on at Madison. He has all the tools a QB needs. He runs very well with the ball, and makes all the throws you can ask. In fact, he only threw one interception in the regular season...which is just amazing. Needless to say he was the WIAC player of the Year. His favorite target is Voss, who has size and speed at WR. They run a ton of bubble screens, and once in awhile (when they catch the defense cheating) they will go over the top for a big gain. Their running back, Myra, is really good as well. He finished in the top three in rushing in the WIAC. He is a load to bring down. He had one TD run last week where he dragged one or two linfield defenders five yards for a touchdown.

Their defense is very solid, but during this postseason, their defense hasn't shown up until the second half of these games. If you want to, look back at the box scores of the Bethel and Linfield games. And compare the second half to the first half. Oshkosh seems like a different team. Their defense just shut down Bethel and Linfield in those second halfs....while geting torched in the first half. The coaching staff has made outstanding adjustments at halftime.

3 older brothers actually

As a Whitewater fan, I'm just hoping there isn't a 5th brother.

Enough already Mrs. Wara!!! 

[emma17]

UST is very deep on defense.  I don't think they will get warn down.  They have good size and athleticism on the d line.

Every team can be worn down- see Chicago Bears for proof.
UWO often runs a quick offense, very little time for substitution.  For what it's worth, I don't think I'm of the mindset that UWO wears a team down simply because they have some sort of size advantage (I'd have to look deeper into that theory).  I think the style of offense tires a team out.  I don't care how many fresh defense linemen a team has, if you can't get them onto the field, the guys on the field are going to get tired.  As the game goes on, it adds up.  And on top of that, no matter how many good D linemen a team has, some are better than others.  The size of the lineman can then come into play as I think the tired big guy wins vs the tired not so big guy.   

[WarhawkDad]

UST is very deep on defense.  I don't think they will get warn down.  They have good size and athleticism on the d line.

Every team can be worn down- see Chicago Bears for proof.
UWO often runs a quick offense, very little time for substitution.  For what it's worth, I don't think I'm of the mindset that UWO wears a team down simply because they have some sort of size advantage (I'd have to look deeper into that theory).  I think the style of offense tires a team out.  I don't care how many fresh defense linemen a team has, if you can't get them onto the field, the guys on the field are going to get tired.  As the game goes on, it adds up.  And on top of that, no matter how many good D linemen a team has, some are better than others.  The size of the lineman can then come into play as I think the tired big guy wins vs the tired not so big guy.   

No doubt about it.   That was one of the advantages UWW had over St. Thomas last year.  We cycled at least 9 different defensive linemen into the game and also were able to rotate 5 good linebackers.   Depth had its advantage.   Emma, you are also right in that happened to the Bears defense against Seattle yesterday.   But Lovie should have taken the field goal in the first half and not gone on 4th down and the long touchdown pass should have been caught.

[emma17]

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[emma17]

UST is very deep on defense.  I don't think they will get warn down.  They have good size and athleticism on the d line.

Every team can be worn down- see Chicago Bears for proof.
UWO often runs a quick offense, very little time for substitution.  For what it's worth, I don't think I'm of the mindset that UWO wears a team down simply because they have some sort of size advantage (I'd have to look deeper into that theory).  I think the style of offense tires a team out.  I don't care how many fresh defense linemen a team has, if you can't get them onto the field, the guys on the field are going to get tired.  As the game goes on, it adds up.  And on top of that, no matter how many good D linemen a team has, some are better than others.  The size of the lineman can then come into play as I think the tired big guy wins vs the tired not so big guy.   

No doubt about it.   That was one of the advantages UWW had over St. Thomas last year.  We cycled at least 9 different defensive linemen into the game and also were able to rotate 5 good linebackers.   Depth had its advantage.   Emma, you are also right in that happened to the Bears defense against Seattle yesterday.    But Lovie should have taken the field goal in the first half and not gone on 4th down and the long touchdown pass should have been caught.

It sure was frustrating watching that WI QB get the edge every single time he wanted it. 

[ron doney]

UST is very deep on defense.  I don't think they will get warn down.  They have good size and athleticism on the d line.

Every team can be worn down- see Chicago Bears for proof.
UWO often runs a quick offense, very little time for substitution.  For what it's worth, I don't think I'm of the mindset that UWO wears a team down simply because they have some sort of size advantage (I'd have to look deeper into that theory).  I think the style of offense tires a team out.  I don't care how many fresh defense linemen a team has, if you can't get them onto the field, the guys on the field are going to get tired.  As the game goes on, it adds up.  And on top of that, no matter how many good D linemen a team has, some are better than others.  The size of the lineman can then come into play as I think the tired big guy wins vs the tired not so big guy.   

When you look at the plays from scrimmage last week the point at which UWO could have worn out Linfield would have been in the 4th quarter on the 10 play 80 yard 4:09 drive to tie up the game.  This was just after UWO's offense had been on the field for 11 of the prior 16 plays - Linfield turned the ball over in that span on the first play of its possession.  21 plays in a span of about 9 mins.

Any chance UWO is gased after the comeback?  The defense was on the field for 30:59 and 73 plays from scrimmage.  That compares to UST's defense which was on the field for 27:55 and 60 plays from scrimmage.  This includes Hobart's final drive which lasted 5:58 over 12 plays for 77 yards which I believe was against some of UST second stringers.

[bleedpurple]

  But if they are able to run, I think it will be game over.

If this is true, I think this is very bad news for the Tommies.  I would be shocked if UW-O gains less than 180 yards rushing, surprised if they gain less than 200, and expect them to gain at least 220 on the ground.

[swede]

Linfield played a hell of a game in the first half but Oshkosh was simply to big on both sides of the ball.
Congrats to all and take it all the way. I'll be pulling for you.

The cats QB was so open on numerous times......#15 wouldn't have waited he'd just take off. Can't complain about #11 I'll settle for that type of QB anytime.

Linfield only needs to learn how to play 4 four quarters.

[2115 Summit]

  But if they are able to run, I think it will be game over.

If this is true, I think this is very bad news for the Tommies.  I would be shocked if UW-O gains less than 180 yards rushing, surprised if they gain less than 200, and expect them to gain at least 220 on the ground.

A little Stat comparison between common opponents -

UST vs. Bethel - Offense
UST Passing - 19 Completions - 163 Yds - 5.2/reception
UST Rushing - 52 Attempts - 207 Yds - 4.0/carry

UWO vs. Bethel - Offense
UWO Passing - 18 Completions - 232Yds - 8.6/reception
UWO Rushing - 46 Attempts - 230Yds - 5.0/carry

UST vs. Bethel - Defense
Bethel Passing - 14 Completions - 129 Yds - 4.8/reception
Bethel Rushing - 17 Attempts - 31 Yds - 1.8/carry

UWO vs. Bethel - Defense
Bethel Passing - 21 Completions - 272 Yds - 8.5/reception
Bethel Rushing - 37 Attempts - 28 Yds - 0.8/carry

The stats don't lie - UST is definetly not winning them!  Hopefully it's a good game!

[swede]

Swede's prediction for Saturday

St Thomas takes a lead into the locker room at halftime as they contain (not stop) the Titans running game. Oshkosh continues to pound the rock in the 3rd quarter but still finds themselves behind. In the 4th quarter Oshkosh breaks some runs and takes the lead only to have St.Thomas retake the lead. The Titans score inside the two minute mark to again regain the lead. St. Thomas will methodically move down the field on their last drive only to have Oshkosh pick off a pass for a 34-31 win and advance to the Stagg Bowl against Mt. Union.

[ron doney]

  But if they are able to run, I think it will be game over.

If this is true, I think this is very bad news for the Tommies.  I would be shocked if UW-O gains less than 180 yards rushing, surprised if they gain less than 200, and expect them to gain at least 220 on the ground.

A little Stat comparison between common opponents -

UST vs. Bethel - Offense
UST Passing - 19 Completions - 163 Yds - 5.2/reception
UST Rushing - 52 Attempts - 207 Yds - 4.0/carry

UWO vs. Bethel - Offense
UWO Passing - 18 Completions - 232Yds - 8.6/reception
UWO Rushing - 46 Attempts - 230Yds - 5.0/carry

UST vs. Bethel - Defense
Bethel Passing - 14 Completions - 129 Yds - 4.8/reception
Bethel Rushing - 17 Attempts - 31 Yds - 1.8/carry

UWO vs. Bethel - Defense
Bethel Passing - 21 Completions - 272 Yds - 8.5/reception
Bethel Rushing - 37 Attempts - 28 Yds - 0.8/carry

The stats don't lie - UST is definetly not winning them!  Hopefully it's a good game!

Scores:
Bethel: 0 UST: 37......UST scored the first 14 within 10 minutes.
Bethel: 14 UWO:37.....UWO gave up 14 within 6 minutes.

TOP/PFS:
Bethel: 19:22/44 UST: 40:38/83
Bethel: 33:55/69 UWO: 26:05/73

Turnovers being equal, I'd expect UST to win the TOP game, which will limit the number of plays UWO runs.  UWO is an explosive team.  UWO averaged 8yards/play on their game tying drive at Linfield (Drive: 10 plays, 80 yards in 4:09).  The best way to beat an explosive team is to limit the number of plays they run.  If UWO is to win, they're defense will need to get the time eating UST offense off of the field and their offense back on it.  Turnovers are one way, and the other would be to step up the pass defense - 8.5 yrds/reception for Bethel and 7.3 yrds/reception for Linfield.

[bleedpurple]

  But if they are able to run, I think it will be game over.

If this is true, I think this is very bad news for the Tommies.  I would be shocked if UW-O gains less than 180 yards rushing, surprised if they gain less than 200, and expect them to gain at least 220 on the ground.

A little Stat comparison between common opponents -

UST vs. Bethel - Offense
UST Passing - 19 Completions - 163 Yds - 5.2/reception
UST Rushing - 52 Attempts - 207 Yds - 4.0/carry

UWO vs. Bethel - Offense
UWO Passing - 18 Completions - 232Yds - 8.6/reception
UWO Rushing - 46 Attempts - 230Yds - 5.0/carry

UST vs. Bethel - Defense
Bethel Passing - 14 Completions - 129 Yds - 4.8/reception
Bethel Rushing - 17 Attempts - 31 Yds - 1.8/carry

UWO vs. Bethel - Defense
Bethel Passing - 21 Completions - 272 Yds - 8.5/reception
Bethel Rushing - 37 Attempts - 28 Yds - 0.8/carry

The stats don't lie - UST is definetly not winning them!  Hopefully it's a good game!

Scores:
Bethel: 0 UST: 37......UST scored the first 14 within 10 minutes.
Bethel: 14 UWO:37.....UWO gave up 14 within 6 minutes.

TOP/PFS:
Bethel: 19:22/44 UST: 40:38/83
Bethel: 33:55/69 UWO: 26:05/73

Turnovers being equal, I'd expect UST to win the TOP game, which will limit the number of plays UWO runs.  UWO is an explosive team.  UWO averaged 8yards/play on their game tying drive at Linfield (Drive: 10 plays, 80 yards in 4:09).  The best way to beat an explosive team is to limit the number of plays they run.  If UWO is to win, they're defense will need to get the time eating UST offense off of the field and their offense back on it.  Turnovers are one way, and the other would be to step up the pass defense - 8.5 yrds/reception for Bethel and 7.3 yrds/reception for Linfield.

I'd agree that UST will win the TOP. In fact, for the season UW-O averages less than 30 minutes per game.  But that doesn't mean their opportunities are necessarily limited.  They are pretty unique in that they are a team that runs between 60 and 65% of the time, but they are fast paced.  It seems like most fast paced teams favor the pass. Not UW-O. They are a different animal offensively.  I think a lot will depend on how well the Tommies match up physically with the Titans.  I know last year they weren't quite there with UW-W. I'm not sure the Titans are quite at the level of past UW-W teams, but I haven't heard too many people opine that this years' Tommies team is better than last year either for whatever that's worth.

[USTBench]

  But if they are able to run, I think it will be game over.

If this is true, I think this is very bad news for the Tommies.  I would be shocked if UW-O gains less than 180 yards rushing, surprised if they gain less than 200, and expect them to gain at least 220 on the ground.

A little Stat comparison between common opponents -

UST vs. Bethel - Offense
UST Passing - 19 Completions - 163 Yds - 5.2/reception
UST Rushing - 52 Attempts - 207 Yds - 4.0/carry

UWO vs. Bethel - Offense
UWO Passing - 18 Completions - 232Yds - 8.6/reception
UWO Rushing - 46 Attempts - 230Yds - 5.0/carry

UST vs. Bethel - Defense
Bethel Passing - 14 Completions - 129 Yds - 4.8/reception
Bethel Rushing - 17 Attempts - 31 Yds - 1.8/carry

UWO vs. Bethel - Defense
Bethel Passing - 21 Completions - 272 Yds - 8.5/reception
Bethel Rushing - 37 Attempts - 28 Yds - 0.8/carry

The stats don't lie - UST is definetly not winning them!  Hopefully it's a good game!

Scores:
Bethel: 0 UST: 37......UST scored the first 14 within 10 minutes.
Bethel: 14 UWO:37.....UWO gave up 14 within 6 minutes.

TOP/PFS:
Bethel: 19:22/44 UST: 40:38/83
Bethel: 33:55/69 UWO: 26:05/73

Turnovers being equal, I'd expect UST to win the TOP game, which will limit the number of plays UWO runs.  UWO is an explosive team.  UWO averaged 8yards/play on their game tying drive at Linfield (Drive: 10 plays, 80 yards in 4:09).  The best way to beat an explosive team is to limit the number of plays they run.  If UWO is to win, they're defense will need to get the time eating UST offense off of the field and their offense back on it.  Turnovers are one way, and the other would be to step up the pass defense - 8.5 yrds/reception for Bethel and 7.3 yrds/reception for Linfield.

A lot of people trying to Nate Silver this situation, but the one thing that is certain is that UST knows how to contain and keep the edge, and that's for one reason: their secondary can tackle. Bethel's inability to run slightly less-worse against UST isn't going to keep Wally Kuchinski awake. It's making sure they keep the edge and get UWO going east and west as much as they can. Granted, definitely not going to be an easy task.