FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[AO]

great season Oshkosh, yesterday's game would have been epic if you had not dug yourself an early 14-0 hole, less that 5 minutes in.  Even though I'm a Tommie fan, I hope you can build upon this and make the WIAC competitive for seasons to come

Thanks for ur concern, but I think we'll manage.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/all-time-conference-rankings

I read stormy's hope as "I hope the WIAC doesn't become dominated by Whitewater again for 7 years", not a knock on the WIAC's national respect.

[wartknight]

great season Oshkosh, yesterday's game would have been epic if you had not dug yourself an early 14-0 hole, less that 5 minutes in.  Even though I'm a Tommie fan, I hope you can build upon this and make the WIAC competitive for seasons to come

Thanks for ur concern, but I think we'll manage.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/all-time-conference-rankings

I read stormy's hope as "I hope the WIAC doesn't become dominated by Whitewater again for 7 years", not a knock on the WIAC's national respect.

That is the way I took it also

[emma17]

great season Oshkosh, yesterday's game would have been epic if you had not dug yourself an early 14-0 hole, less that 5 minutes in.  Even though I'm a Tommie fan, I hope you can build upon this and make the WIAC competitive for seasons to come

It would be nice for the WIAC to get a couple teams into the playoffs on a consistent basis.

[Brian Carroll]

Once again, congratulations to coach Pat Cerroni and all UW-O coaches, players and fans on a great season. You have every reason to be proud of what you accomplished. As a WIAC fan, I feel we were fortunate to have you represent us.

[ron doney]

The scores are far from the truth about any team.  Didn't think UST was so incompetent as score looked against UWW last season and this season thought Oshkosh just as good or better than UST in many ways despite outcome.

I'm not sure what this means.  The only thing that matters is winning, especially in the playoffs. All the rest is conjecture.  UWW was clearly better than St. Thomas last year. St. Thomas was clearly better than Oshkosh this year.  "Better" is not definitively defined until two teams play.  All that matters is who is better on that day.  The rest is just idle chatter. 

The Titans were very good this year, but they were not great.  I think Saturday was, what, the third time they dug themselves at least a two score deficit to start the game in the playoffs? UW-W was great last year. 15-0 National Champions says all that needs to be said.  The UW-O players probably respect that all the more this morning after falling short yesterday.  If St. Thomas beats Mount, I will gladly put them in the great category.  Heck, if they play them like UMHB did, I may put them there, too!

This was a compliment.....another way of saying, if they played 10 times UWO might have one 4/5 of the times. Both UWO this year and UST last year were playing in their first semi final game, which makes a difference on the outcome of that game - say some x points. Therefore if the teams would face each other in any other situation the outcome would have been different. We say the same thing about "trap games".... a situation where circumstances outside of the ability of the teams affect the outcome.  When I wrote "far from" that might have been a little too strong of a phrase.

In terms of the rest of your response.  If I follow, winning = all that matters, all the rest is conjecture and idle chatter.  But then you say that a team is great as both a winner OR as a very close loser. So is great a) winning and all that matters OR b) very close to winning, but not and therefore all the rest I guess and just conjecture and idle chatter?  I'm not sure what you mean?

I take it you don't waste your time with conjecture and idle chatter yourself. So I'm sure this idea of great that you speak of is something else.

I'll take your encouragement going forward and refrain from conjecture and chatter here on this WIAC board on the West region board on the D3 football board on the D3 sorts board hosted by the D3 Network of sites as part of the D3 media coverage amongst the media coverage for D2 and D1.  There are others places for nuanced thought, but not here.

[footballfan413]

The scores are far from the truth about any team.  Didn't think UST was so incompetent as score looked against UWW last season and this season thought Oshkosh just as good or better than UST in many ways despite outcome.

I'm not sure what this means.  The only thing that matters is winning, especially in the playoffs. All the rest is conjecture.  UWW was clearly better than St. Thomas last year. St. Thomas was clearly better than Oshkosh this year.  "Better" is not definitively defined until two teams play.  All that matters is who is better on that day.  The rest is just idle chatter. 

The Titans were very good this year, but they were not great.  I think Saturday was, what, the third time they dug themselves at least a two score deficit to start the game in the playoffs? UW-W was great last year. 15-0 National Champions says all that needs to be said.  The UW-O players probably respect that all the more this morning after falling short yesterday.  If St. Thomas beats Mount, I will gladly put them in the great category.  Heck, if they play them like UMHB did, I may put them there, too!

This was a compliment.....another way of saying, if they played 10 times UWO might have one 4/5 of the times. Both UWO this year and UST last year were playing in their first semi final game, which makes a difference on the outcome of that game - say some x points. Therefore if the teams would face each other in any other situation the outcome would have been different. We say the same thing about "trap games".... a situation where circumstances outside of the ability of the teams affect the outcome.  When I wrote "far from" that might have been a little too strong of a phrase.

In terms of the rest of your response.  If I follow, winning = all that matters, all the rest is conjecture and idle chatter.  But then you say that a team is great as both a winner OR as a very close loser. So is great a) winning and all that matters OR b) very close to winning, but not and therefore all the rest I guess and just conjecture and idle chatter?  I'm not sure what you mean?

I take it you don't waste your time with conjecture and idle chatter yourself. So I'm sure this idea of great that you speak of is something else.

I'll take your encouragement going forward and refrain from conjecture and chatter here on this WIAC board on the West region board on the D3 football board on the D3 sorts board hosted by the D3 Network of sites as part of the D3 media coverage amongst the media coverage for D2 and D1.  There are others places for nuanced thought, but not here.

Now this comment is an overreaction, in my humble opinion.  You are new to the boards with 33 posts under this name, unless you used another previously, so let me give you a little context, one that you can get for yourself if you stay around and learn the, "nuances," of the WIAC board and individual posters.  Bleedpourple, does indeed, bleed purple.  He has a storied history regarding the Warhawk program.  He posts are always informative, direct and backed by research and a wealth of football knowledge. BUT, he also loves to mix it up, sometimes just to poke the bear, so to speak, and has his tongue planted firmly in cheek other times and it is not always clear when that is the case with his posts. I don't mean to speak for him but my take on his post, had less to do with a reaction to what you posted and more speaking to all of us using your post as a, "jumping off,' point,   I, humbly, suggest you don't take it so personal and, in time, if you stick around and continue to read and post, (and I really hope you do,) I think you will see this for yourself. 

A HUGE congrats to the TITANS players, Coach C. and staff and families on a GREAT season!   You did yourselves and the WIAC proud.  I hope that Nate wins the Gagliardi trophy!  He has had an outstanding college football career. 

[bleedpurple]

The scores are far from the truth about any team.  Didn't think UST was so incompetent as score looked against UWW last season and this season thought Oshkosh just as good or better than UST in many ways despite outcome.

I'm not sure what this means.  The only thing that matters is winning, especially in the playoffs. All the rest is conjecture.  UWW was clearly better than St. Thomas last year. St. Thomas was clearly better than Oshkosh this year.  "Better" is not definitively defined until two teams play.  All that matters is who is better on that day.  The rest is just idle chatter. 

The Titans were very good this year, but they were not great.  I think Saturday was, what, the third time they dug themselves at least a two score deficit to start the game in the playoffs? UW-W was great last year. 15-0 National Champions says all that needs to be said.  The UW-O players probably respect that all the more this morning after falling short yesterday.  If St. Thomas beats Mount, I will gladly put them in the great category.  Heck, if they play them like UMHB did, I may put them there, too!

This was a compliment.....another way of saying, if they played 10 times UWO might have one 4/5 of the times. Both UWO this year and UST last year were playing in their first semi final game, which makes a difference on the outcome of that game - say some x points. Therefore if the teams would face each other in any other situation the outcome would have been different. We say the same thing about "trap games".... a situation where circumstances outside of the ability of the teams affect the outcome.  When I wrote "far from" that might have been a little too strong of a phrase.

In terms of the rest of your response.  If I follow, winning = all that matters, all the rest is conjecture and idle chatter.  But then you say that a team is great as both a winner OR as a very close loser. So is great a) winning and all that matters OR b) very close to winning, but not and therefore all the rest I guess and just conjecture and idle chatter?  I'm not sure what you mean?

I take it you don't waste your time with conjecture and idle chatter yourself. So I'm sure this idea of great that you speak of is something else.

I'll take your encouragement going forward and refrain from conjecture and chatter here on this WIAC board on the West region board on the D3 football board on the D3 sorts board hosted by the D3 Network of sites as part of the D3 media coverage amongst the media coverage for D2 and D1.  There are others places for nuanced thought, but not here.

Actually,I love conjecture and Idle chatter. If I operated a message board, that's probably what I would call it: "Bleedpurple's Conjecture and Idle Chatter Board".  I wasn't using that label as a pejorative.  I was just separating what we all do here (conjecture and chatting) with what happens on the field.

I think you make a good point about the seeming inconsistency between the "winning is all that matters" idea and the idea that St. Thomas could be put in the great category if they play Mount even down to the final minute.  That actually does seem a bit inconsistent. I guess I was trying to qualify my "winning is all that matters" statement a bit in that specific situation. 

As far as you taking your nuanced thought elsewhere, I guess that's your choice. I don't really understand why you would let one post run you off.  Maybe you just never really loved us to begin with! 

Just saw 413's post.  What she said.... 

[tommiegun]

That was an incredible game out in Oregon; and I'm very excited that the Toms will be staying at home but am pretty nervous about the matchup.

If I was an odds maker, I'd make UWO a 3 1/2 point favorite on the road, as I think any team who has come through its playoff run is pretty dang good. 

I think the key for St. Thomas is going to be getting UWO into a one-dimensional offensive mind set.  I don't think the Titans will be able to run against St. Thomas, as no one (other than Elmhurst on a very weird/off day, generally) really has this year and the Titans are not a dominant ground team.  But if they are able to run, I think it will be game over.  On the UWO side, I also think the key is going to be forcing St. Thomas to throw.

My gut tells me this won't be as big of a shootout as Linfield/UWO was.  I think first to 20 wins.

Feeling pretty good about this one.

[WarhawkDad]

The scores are far from the truth about any team.  Didn't think UST was so incompetent as score looked against UWW last season and this season thought Oshkosh just as good or better than UST in many ways despite outcome.

Great defenses and great defensive game plans can make teams look incompetent

[WarhawkDad]

That was an incredible game out in Oregon; and I'm very excited that the Toms will be staying at home but am pretty nervous about the matchup.

If I was an odds maker, I'd make UWO a 3 1/2 point favorite on the road, as I think any team who has come through its playoff run is pretty dang good. 

I think the key for St. Thomas is going to be getting UWO into a one-dimensional offensive mind set.  I don't think the Titans will be able to run against St. Thomas, as no one (other than Elmhurst on a very weird/off day, generally) really has this year and the Titans are not a dominant ground team.  But if they are able to run, I think it will be game over.  On the UWO side, I also think the key is going to be forcing St. Thomas to throw.

My gut tells me this won't be as big of a shootout as Linfield/UWO was.  I think first to 20 wins.

Feeling pretty good about this one.

And you should!   Care to make a projection on the next game? 

[tommiegun]

That was an incredible game out in Oregon; and I'm very excited that the Toms will be staying at home but am pretty nervous about the matchup.

If I was an odds maker, I'd make UWO a 3 1/2 point favorite on the road, as I think any team who has come through its playoff run is pretty dang good. 

I think the key for St. Thomas is going to be getting UWO into a one-dimensional offensive mind set.  I don't think the Titans will be able to run against St. Thomas, as no one (other than Elmhurst on a very weird/off day, generally) really has this year and the Titans are not a dominant ground team.  But if they are able to run, I think it will be game over.  On the UWO side, I also think the key is going to be forcing St. Thomas to throw.

My gut tells me this won't be as big of a shootout as Linfield/UWO was.  I think first to 20 wins.

Feeling pretty good about this one.

And you should!   Care to make a projection on the next game? 

NO! (because my predictions in the post season have been pretty good; and I don't want what I think will happen to happen  )

[Olinemom]

I'm not nearly so excited about my preparations for going to the Stagg Bowl weekend as usual because my favorite team and all the UWW fans won't be there.  You know you just get used to having your team come that it's seems a foregone conclusion.  then, after the Oshkosh game, I thought, well, maybe I'll cheer for them.  At least they'll be from the same conference.  But no, the Tommies came up big, although I heard that Nate had a broken pinkie finger.  Don't know if that was a factor or not.  I'm just not thrilled with the options.  But I finally made the decision to go last weekend, bought the tickets for the 2 banquets and the game.  I'm making the brownies this evening and will leave tomorrow.  Just as well to get out of town as the 2 year anniversary of Mom's death was this weekend.  Whom to cheer for?  I'm going to choose a table of players at the Gagliardi banquet and sit with them.  I'll ask which team they play for and that's whom I'll cheer for. Seems as fair as any other way.  I'm looking forward to meeting Nate Wara.  He's one of the 4 finalists that will be there.  The one from W & L will also be there.  those are the 2 I have seen play. I will enjoy that part of it for sure.  While making the brownies, I'm making some and sending them to Coach Gagliardi.  The last time I sent him brownies was in 2003 when his team beat a certain team who had beaten my boys 66 - 0 the week before.  What a nightmare that was.  I guess none of you are coming, but I'll be thinking of you.  My ticket is on the Press box side, 50 yard line on the concourse level.  No steps at all.  My best to you all, Especially to my OLiners!!!

[emma17]

It's interesting to see how much running the QB's of the final four teams have been doing.  In the last two games, Burke of Mt has run the ball 32 times.  Bailey of MHB has run it 33 times.  O'Connell of St. T has run it 30 times and Wara has run it 31 times.

[WarhawkDad]

It's interesting to see how much running the QB's of the final four teams have been doing.  In the last two games, Burke of Mt has run the ball 32 times.  Bailey of MHB has run it 33 times.  O'Connell of St. T has run it 30 times and Wara has run it 31 times.

Interesting and if you remember, Matt Blanchard did the same last year.   I wonder how many are designed runs or pass/run options or just smart quarterbacks not wanting to throw into coverage and trying to make some positive yardage?

[KitchenSink]

Heard today that the officiating crew for the Stagg Bowl is a WIAC crew.  It's the group that did the Eau Claire at UWW game this year, and the Platteville game last year.

I've worked some high school games with the referee/crew chief - pretty good guy, and he's on the rules committee for WIAA officiating in Wisconsin so he knows his stuff.

(Hope I didn't just jinx him)