FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[stoutguy]

WIAC pickem particpants please remember that there is a Friday night game this week.  That pick is due by 6 pm (CST) Friday.

Stoutguy, first it was great to see and chat with your again.  Secondly, I hope you and your partner were able to restrain yourselves when the Blue Devils got on the board first.    

Lastly, I have a question for you.  Is your field goal kicker approaching some sort of record?  I'm trying to understand why the Blue Devils went for the field goal in the fourth quarter.   I know he's a very good kicker and he is a senior so I thought maybe he's closing in on a record.

Yes, we did restrain ourselves very well when Stout scored first.  To answer your question, we have an outstanding kicker, but no, I don't know of any record that he is approaching.  I have no idea why he kicked a field goal in that situation.  I do not subscribe to the 3 is better than none theory. 

[UniqueInsight38]

As a Falcon Alum of the 90's, I see such a disparity between UWW/UWSP/UWP/UWO and UWL/UWEC/UWS/UWRF.  Any ideas on what the reason is for this?  I would imagine funding is a big issue?  Is location for recruiting also different due to the D-2 Minnesota schools coming into the Northwest region of Wisconsin?

Also is there a way to actually view how much funding is being allotted to each team since they are public universities?  If anyone has any ideas on how to get this info, it would be interesting to see the differences. 

Also, what is the staffing situation for each team?   At UW-RF --- The HC, OC, and DC are considered 50% football and 50% teaching.  They have one other paid coach that does athletic equipment/towels along with coaching to make a very small salary.  What are the other universities doing?

I feel like there is such a disparity between the top four and lower four.  It just does not seem competitive at all.

[02 Warhawk]

As a Falcon Alum of the 90's, I see such a disparity between UWW/UWSP/UWP/UWO and UWL/UWEC/UWS/UWRF.  Any ideas on what the reason is for this?  I would imagine funding is a big issue?  Is location for recruiting also different due to the D-2 Minnesota schools coming into the Northwest region of Wisconsin?

Also is there a way to actually view how much funding is being allotted to each team since they are public universities?  If anyone has any ideas on how to get this info, it would be interesting to see the differences. 

Also, what is the staffing situation for each team?   At UW-RF --- The HC, OC, and DC are considered 50% football and 50% teaching.  They have one other paid coach that does athletic equipment/towels along with coaching to make a very small salary.  What are the other universities doing?

I feel like there is such a disparity between the top four and lower four.  It just does not seem competitive at all.

I would say funding is a large factor (if not the largest). Funding leads to bigger and better facilities, which is used as a great recruiting tool. That's why UWRF needs that new stadium sooner rather than later.

I don't have the staffing situation(s) in front of me...so maybe someone else can talk about that.

It wasn't that long ago when UWL was the power of the WIAC, and UWP & UWO was near the bottom. Hell, even UWW only managed 2-3 conference wins in the early 2000's. For the most, the WIAC power teams seem to turn over every 10 years or so. So it's not like the same schools have been dominating for decades. The WIAC standings were basically the complete opposite of what they are now back in the 90s.

Part of UWP's recent success is their ability to offer tuition reciprocity with IL recruits (I think they have the same deal with IA as well). Their admissions office approved this to increase enrollment.

[bleedpurple]

As a Falcon Alum of the 90's, I see such a disparity between UWW/UWSP/UWP/UWO and UWL/UWEC/UWS/UWRF.  Any ideas on what the reason is for this?  I would imagine funding is a big issue?  Is location for recruiting also different due to the D-2 Minnesota schools coming into the Northwest region of Wisconsin?

Also is there a way to actually view how much funding is being allotted to each team since they are public universities?  If anyone has any ideas on how to get this info, it would be interesting to see the differences. 

Also, what is the staffing situation for each team?   At UW-RF --- The HC, OC, and DC are considered 50% football and 50% teaching.  They have one other paid coach that does athletic equipment/towels along with coaching to make a very small salary.  What are the other universities doing?

I feel like there is such a disparity between the top four and lower four.  It just does not seem competitive at all.

I would say funding is a large factor (if not the largest). Funding leads to bigger and better facilities, which is used as a great recruiting tool. That's why UWRF needs that new stadium sooner rather than later.

I don't have the staffing situation(s) in front of me...so maybe someone else can talk about that.

It wasn't that long ago when UWL was the power of the WIAC, and UWP & UWO was near the bottom. Hell, even UWW only managed 2-3 conference wins in the early 2000's. For the most, the WIAC power teams seem to turn over every 10 years or so. So it's not like the same schools have been dominating for decades. The WIAC standings were basically the complete opposite of what they are now back in the 90s.

Part of UWP's recent success is their ability to offer tuition reciprocity with IL recruits (I think they have the same deal with IA as well). Their admissions office approved this to increase enrollment.

I would also clarify that this disparity of funding is in the realm of privately raised funds, not allocations from the state. I know when UW-W AD Paul Plinske left UW-W in August, among his list of many accomplishments was the fact that he had raised $12 million in his tenure at UW-W.

[badgerwarhawk]

With, I believe, one exception the coaching staff at WHITEWATER are also performing other duties (teaching, counseling, administrative, etc.) at the university.  Student assistants are also an exception. 

[emma17]

As a Falcon Alum of the 90's, I see such a disparity between UWW/UWSP/UWP/UWO and UWL/UWEC/UWS/UWRF.  Any ideas on what the reason is for this?  I would imagine funding is a big issue?  Is location for recruiting also different due to the D-2 Minnesota schools coming into the Northwest region of Wisconsin?

Also is there a way to actually view how much funding is being allotted to each team since they are public universities?  If anyone has any ideas on how to get this info, it would be interesting to see the differences. 

Also, what is the staffing situation for each team?   At UW-RF --- The HC, OC, and DC are considered 50% football and 50% teaching.  They have one other paid coach that does athletic equipment/towels along with coaching to make a very small salary.  What are the other universities doing?

I feel like there is such a disparity between the top four and lower four.  It just does not seem competitive at all.

In addition to the responses from others I'll add:
Location- UWW is close to population density (like me).  It not only helps w kids that want to stay closer to home- but recruiting trips are shorter for coaches. It even helps w exposure to people that may not otherwise visit the campus. In Kumerow's interview he said he came to watch his sister play basketball a few times so he was very familiar and comfortable w the university.

Also, and maybe not such a big deal but- how many stud athletes want to go to a football program that runs the triple option. I know they don't any longer (when did they stop?) but building a program can be a long process and I'd have to imagine some talent was lost.  If talent was lost so was opportunity to build upon success.

[UniqueInsight38]

I believe they stopped running triple option around 2005-2006 plus what does UWS/UWEC/UWLX run as far as offense?

[02 Warhawk]

I believe they stopped running triple option around 2005-2006 plus what does UWS/UWEC/UWLX run as far as offense?

Now that O'Grady is at Stout, I think they are giving the read option a try. Although, I didn't see much of it in the Whitewater game. I haven't seen UWEC yet, but they ran the spread last year when Neu was at QB. And I believe UWL just does a standard set (but I could be wrong).

[NewHawk]

As a Falcon Alum of the 90's, I see such a disparity between UWW/UWSP/UWP/UWO and UWL/UWEC/UWS/UWRF.  Any ideas on what the reason is for this?  I would imagine funding is a big issue?  Is location for recruiting also different due to the D-2 Minnesota schools coming into the Northwest region of Wisconsin?

Also is there a way to actually view how much funding is being allotted to each team since they are public universities?  If anyone has any ideas on how to get this info, it would be interesting to see the differences. 

Also, what is the staffing situation for each team?   At UW-RF --- The HC, OC, and DC are considered 50% football and 50% teaching.  They have one other paid coach that does athletic equipment/towels along with coaching to make a very small salary.  What are the other universities doing?

I feel like there is such a disparity between the top four and lower four.  It just does not seem competitive at all.

Having a relative recruited by numerous schools and ending up in Whitewater I would definitely give the edge to facilities and the high level recruiting efforts by the Whitewater staff.  The coaches are very active with recruits (all within NCAA guidelines) and went all out with presentation of the facilities and the hardware that surrounds 4 National championships. With a kid deciding between some D-2's in the area with mediocre records and no chance at the Championship game vs. WW with 4 trophies in the lobby, it is easy to sell the D3 advantage. 

[WarhawkDad]

I think the four biggest things are:

Private fund raising
Proximity to large metro populations (UWW sits between Chicago suburbs, Milwaukee, and Madison)
Facilities and coaches
Winning tradition

I know the State funding is basically the same for the program and the way to gain more coaches is to find people who both coach and teach, or coach and counsel.

WarhawkDad

[palum]

As a Falcon Alum of the 90's, I see such a disparity between UWW/UWSP/UWP/UWO and UWL/UWEC/UWS/UWRF.  Any ideas on what the reason is for this?  I would imagine funding is a big issue?  Is location for recruiting also different due to the D-2 Minnesota schools coming into the Northwest region of Wisconsin?

Also is there a way to actually view how much funding is being allotted to each team since they are public universities?  If anyone has any ideas on how to get this info, it would be interesting to see the differences. 

Also, what is the staffing situation for each team?   At UW-RF --- The HC, OC, and DC are considered 50% football and 50% teaching.  They have one other paid coach that does athletic equipment/towels along with coaching to make a very small salary.  What are the other universities doing?

I feel like there is such a disparity between the top four and lower four.  It just does not seem competitive at all.

I would say funding is a large factor (if not the largest). Funding leads to bigger and better facilities, which is used as a great recruiting tool. That's why UWRF needs that new stadium sooner rather than later.

I don't have the staffing situation(s) in front of me...so maybe someone else can talk about that.

It wasn't that long ago when UWL was the power of the WIAC, and UWP & UWO was near the bottom. Hell, even UWW only managed 2-3 conference wins in the early 2000's. For the most, the WIAC power teams seem to turn over every 10 years or so. So it's not like the same schools have been dominating for decades. The WIAC standings were basically the complete opposite of what they are now back in the 90s.

Part of UWP's recent success is their ability to offer tuition reciprocity with IL recruits (I think they have the same deal with IA as well). Their admissions office approved this to increase enrollment.

UWP offers reduced out of state tuition to IL & IA students as part of its Tri-State Initiative.  P-ville seems to get a lot of IL students because IL state schools are expensive and there are not many options for a student from northwest IL that are closer than P-ville.  Location as some have mentioned is important but UWP is the fastest growing public school in Wisconsin and it is in the middle of no-where.   

What I do not get is why RF feels it is at a disadvantage Wisconsin and Minnesota have tuition reciprocity and RF is less than an hour from the Twin Cities so Minnesota students can go to RF cheaper than a private school in Minnesota. 

I think it all comes down to the attitude of the administration.  WW's admin has always thought athletics was an important part of the college experience and successful sports programs are a great way to market UW WW.  Platteville's former and current Chancellors feel the same way and as they are growing more students are hanging around for the weekends and athletics keeps them entertained.  The more successful you are the easier it is to fund raise.  Facilities are important but I have witnessed a lot of 1 or 2 win season's at Pioneer stadium which I consider is in the top half of WIAC stadiums.  Like it was said in "Remember the Titans", "attitude reflects leadership."


     

[02 Warhawk]

As a Falcon Alum of the 90's, I see such a disparity between UWW/UWSP/UWP/UWO and UWL/UWEC/UWS/UWRF.  Any ideas on what the reason is for this?  I would imagine funding is a big issue?  Is location for recruiting also different due to the D-2 Minnesota schools coming into the Northwest region of Wisconsin?

Also is there a way to actually view how much funding is being allotted to each team since they are public universities?  If anyone has any ideas on how to get this info, it would be interesting to see the differences. 

Also, what is the staffing situation for each team?   At UW-RF --- The HC, OC, and DC are considered 50% football and 50% teaching.  They have one other paid coach that does athletic equipment/towels along with coaching to make a very small salary.  What are the other universities doing?

I feel like there is such a disparity between the top four and lower four.  It just does not seem competitive at all.

I would say funding is a large factor (if not the largest). Funding leads to bigger and better facilities, which is used as a great recruiting tool. That's why UWRF needs that new stadium sooner rather than later.

I don't have the staffing situation(s) in front of me...so maybe someone else can talk about that.

It wasn't that long ago when UWL was the power of the WIAC, and UWP & UWO was near the bottom. Hell, even UWW only managed 2-3 conference wins in the early 2000's. For the most, the WIAC power teams seem to turn over every 10 years or so. So it's not like the same schools have been dominating for decades. The WIAC standings were basically the complete opposite of what they are now back in the 90s.

Part of UWP's recent success is their ability to offer tuition reciprocity with IL recruits (I think they have the same deal with IA as well). Their admissions office approved this to increase enrollment.

UWP offers reduced out of state tuition to IL & IA students as part of its Tri-State Initiative.  P-ville seems to get a lot of IL students because IL state schools are expensive and there are not many options for a student from northwest IL that are closer than P-ville.  Location as some have mentioned is important but UWP is the fastest growing public school in Wisconsin and it is in the middle of no-where.   

What I do not get is why RF feels it is at a disadvantage Wisconsin and Minnesota have tuition reciprocity and RF is less than an hour from the Twin Cities so Minnesota students can go to RF cheaper than a private school in Minnesota. 

I think it all comes down to the attitude of the administration.  WW's admin has always thought athletics was an important part of the college experience and successful sports programs are a great way to market UW WW.  Platteville's former and current Chancellors feel the same way and as they are growing more students are hanging around for the weekends and athletics keeps them entertained.  The more successful you are the easier it is to fund raise.  Facilities are important but I have witnessed a lot of 1 or 2 win season's at Pioneer stadium which I consider is in the top half of WIAC stadiums.  Like it was said in "Remember the Titans", "attitude reflects leadership."
     

The twin cities has about a million college football programs (all different levels) in that area. I imagine recruiting is a nightmare around the twin cities. Plus UWRF needs to upgrade its facilities (especially their football field) to have a fighting chance.

Once again, it boils down to which programs receive adequate private funding. Plus I would agree that the administration has a lot to do with it. Some schools don't view athletics as important, so funds are allocated elsewhere. However, some schools think it's everything.

A great example is the recent success of St. Thomas. Their upgrades over the past 5 years have been astonishing. Just ask any St. John's fan 

[KitchenSink]

Oh, the Lord - he does work in mysterious ways.

Aside from the fact that I think college football belongs on Saturday afternoons, I especially dislike Friday night games because I officiate high school football and Friday night is varsity night.

Except that this week my game was just cancelled due to heavy attrition within one of the programs, so Friday night just opened up.  Well, well, well. 

A bummer to lose a game, but at least the timing has a positive bounce.   

[voice]

Speaking of recruiting Wisconsin... The following was tweeted today by Travis Wilson of Wisconsin Sports Net...
Minnesota State (Mankato), the new #1 team in Division 2 has 31 of 96 players on roster (32%) from Wisconsin high schools. 13 of the Wisconsin players are either starters or heavy contributors

Ranked #1 in D1-FCS is defending national champion North Dakota St. – the Bison have 18 players on its roster from Wisconsin.

[badgerwarhawk]

Oh, the Lord - he does work in mysterious ways.

Aside from the fact that I think college football belongs on Saturday afternoons, I especially dislike Friday night games because I officiate high school football and Friday night is varsity night.

Except that this week my game was just cancelled due to heavy attrition within one of the programs, so Friday night just opened up.  Well, well, well. 

A bummer to lose a game, but at least the timing has a positive bounce.   

Are you a WIAA official in Wisconsin?  If so, just because I'm curious and if you don't mind saying, which school had to cancel.