FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[emma17]

I find it interesting that as UWW has risen to a position of dominance, the majority of its WIAC rivals have descended into mediocrity and worse.  This year Whitewater has an excellent team and Oshkosh and Platteville are good, BUT then there's everyone else.  Conversely, over in the MIAC as St. John's has fallen from its position of dominance, virtually all of its rivals are ascending.  Bethel is excellent and St. Thomas and Concordia are very good.  St. John's is still a decent team and up-and-coming Gustavus and dangerous Augsburg are on a par with the Johnnies.  Lightly regarded Carleton even  had Concordia on  the ropes in the 4th quarter Saturday.  If competitive balance is the measure of a great conference, then the WIAC's claims of superiority ring hollow at this moment in time.  Let's hope the WIAC doesn't go the way of the OAC, where Mt. Union essentially plays a 10-game exhibition schedule in preparation for the post-season.

This post is three or four years outdated in my opinion.

[bleedpurple]

Bleed,
I'd go:
1-  Team 4
2-  Team 3
3-  Team 2
4-  Team 1
5-  Team 5

Although I wanted 02 to weigh in, now that we have changed pages, I'd imagine it's time to move on from this. Thanks for responding Emma and BW. The teams being compared are the 4 UW-W National Championship Teams and the Current UW-W team.

Team 1: 2011
Team 2: 2010
Team 3: 2009
Team 4: 2013
Team 5: 2007

I projected the 2013 numbers to 15 games. I also added 15 yards to the Ave Total Yards Allowed per Game, 15 yards to the Total Passing Yards Allowed per game, and 1.3 points allowed per game. These are the hits that UW-W defense took statistically after Mount threw for 370+ and scored 28 points in the 09 Stagg Bowl. I made these adjustments as the equalizer to make up for the fact that the 2013 team has not played Mount.  If UW-W advances to the Stagg Bowl, there is no reason to think that the next 6 games would significantly altar the stats of this team (for the worse). They will  play a couple of strong teams deep in the playoffs that may affect things, but then the next 4 games could even help the statistics.  So I've tried to account for the Mount factor. As far as the overall schedules, I think the two Top 10 teams UW-W just beat helps add to the credibility of their current numbers.

The games are won on the field and this doesn't mean anything in terms of what will happen. However, it seems to be a somewhat credible look as to how viable UW-W is as a contender this year.  It's not like the numbers "just don't add up".  WIWA.

[02 Warhawk]

Bleed,
I'd go:
1-  Team 4
2-  Team 3
3-  Team 2
4-  Team 1
5-  Team 5

Although I wanted 02 to weigh in, now that we have changed pages, I'd imagine it's time to move on from this. Thanks for responding Emma and BW. The teams being compared are the 4 UW-W National Championship Teams and the Current UW-W team.

Team 1: 2011
Team 2: 2010
Team 3: 2009
Team 4: 2013
Team 5: 2007

I projected the 2013 numbers to 15 games. I also added 15 yards to the Ave Total Yards Allowed per Game, 15 yards to the Total Passing Yards Allowed per game, and 1.3 points allowed per game. These are the hits that UW-W defense took statistically after Mount threw for 370+ and scored 28 points in the 09 Stagg Bowl. I made these adjustments as the equalizer to make up for the fact that the 2013 team has not played Mount.  If UW-W advances to the Stagg Bowl, there is no reason to think that the next 6 games would significantly altar the stats of this team (for the worse). They will  play a couple of strong teams deep in the playoffs that may affect things, but then the next 4 games could even help the statistics.  So I've tried to account for the Mount factor. As far as the overall schedules, I think the two Top 10 teams UW-W just beat helps add to the credibility of their current numbers.

The games are won on the field and this doesn't mean anything in terms of what will happen. However, it seems to be a somewhat credible look as to how viable UW-W is as a contender this year.  It's not like the numbers "just don't add up".  WIWA.

Sorry bleed, I did look at this...but I didn't have the slightest clue on how to rank them. I agreed with what Pat said regarding not knowing who they played, and/or their SOS.

[retagent]

UWP's opponents record going into the game with UWW......15-41

Just as a point of comparison, SJU opponents record.............28-34 (includes all 8 games)

Bringing that  record down, ironically is the WIAC opponents - Eau Claire and UWEF's 1-15 record.

[bleedpurple]

Bleed,
I'd go:
1-  Team 4
2-  Team 3
3-  Team 2
4-  Team 1
5-  Team 5

Although I wanted 02 to weigh in, now that we have changed pages, I'd imagine it's time to move on from this. Thanks for responding Emma and BW. The teams being compared are the 4 UW-W National Championship Teams and the Current UW-W team.

Team 1: 2011
Team 2: 2010
Team 3: 2009
Team 4: 2013
Team 5: 2007

I projected the 2013 numbers to 15 games. I also added 15 yards to the Ave Total Yards Allowed per Game, 15 yards to the Total Passing Yards Allowed per game, and 1.3 points allowed per game. These are the hits that UW-W defense took statistically after Mount threw for 370+ and scored 28 points in the 09 Stagg Bowl. I made these adjustments as the equalizer to make up for the fact that the 2013 team has not played Mount.  If UW-W advances to the Stagg Bowl, there is no reason to think that the next 6 games would significantly altar the stats of this team (for the worse). They will  play a couple of strong teams deep in the playoffs that may affect things, but then the next 4 games could even help the statistics.  So I've tried to account for the Mount factor. As far as the overall schedules, I think the two Top 10 teams UW-W just beat helps add to the credibility of their current numbers.

The games are won on the field and this doesn't mean anything in terms of what will happen. However, it seems to be a somewhat credible look as to how viable UW-W is as a contender this year.  It's not like the numbers "just don't add up".  WIWA.

Sorry bleed, I did look at this...but I didn't have the slightest clue on how to rank them. I agreed with what Pat said regarding not knowing who they played, and/or their SOS.

No worries, the statistical strength of each team was very similar and it was like splitting hairs. The lesson to be learned is that when you take away your doubts and fears and look at the statistical body of work of the 2013 team, you can't really differentiate it too well from the body of work of the championship teams. Now we have the satisfying  and successful rear view mirror of the champions that put them in a completely different category. And rightfully so.  And looking forward is always more apprehensive than looking back.  But it is yet more evidence that WIWA.  Remember 02, WWWWB (When Whitewater Was Whitewater Before) you often had your doubts right up until the trophy presentation. 

And for the record just because WIWA doesn't guarantee them ANYTHING in the playoffs. UW-W has never had anything handed to them in the past and they certainly won't have anything handed to them this year. They will have to earn it on the field just like the previous teams did.  What I know is it will take an EXTREMELY good D3 team to beat the current version of UW-W. Is there a team out there that could? Probably. Is there a team out there that will? Not sure.

[badgerwarhawk]

Bleed,
I'd go:
1-  Team 4
2-  Team 3
3-  Team 2
4-  Team 1
5-  Team 5

Why did you just copy mine?   

I used a point system in which I ranked each category.  The team with the best stat got 5 points, next best 4 points and so on.  I only used those stats that were available for all five teams.  It was roughly a half hour of my life which I will never get back but piqued my interest and bleed needed someone to do it so the time he spent and will never get back wasn't spent in vain.  No need to thank me, bleed, I'm just that kind of a guy. 

[02 Warhawk]

With the wins against UWO and UWP, Whitewater gets a nice boost in the SOS. They now rank 10th, which should help their regional rankings that come out in a few days.

Even though I still think Linfield is the best team in the west, their SOS is suffering a bit now that Hardin-Simmons and Cal Lutheran are average at best. Interested to see how that affects their regional (and tournament) rankings. Linfield could fall victim to what happened to Whitewater in 2010.

Bethel sits just .003 points a head of Whitewater in the 9th spot. But they should get a little boost when they play St. John's.

Go Johnnies!! 

[WarhawkDad]

I find it interesting that as UWW has risen to a position of dominance, the majority of its WIAC rivals have descended into mediocrity and worse.  This year Whitewater has an excellent team and Oshkosh and Platteville are good, BUT then there's everyone else.  Conversely, over in the MIAC as St. John's has fallen from its position of dominance, virtually all of its rivals are ascending.  Bethel is excellent and St. Thomas and Concordia are very good.  St. John's is still a decent team and up-and-coming Gustavus and dangerous Augsburg are on a par with the Johnnies.  Lightly regarded Carleton even  had Concordia on  the ropes in the 4th quarter Saturday.  If competitive balance is the measure of a great conference, then the WIAC's claims of superiority ring hollow at this moment in time.  Let's hope the WIAC doesn't go the way of the OAC, where Mt. Union essentially plays a 10-game exhibition schedule in preparation for the post-season.

Kestrel

Not sure you are really watching the Conference that closely.   Steven's Point almost beat Platteville.  Stout played Oshkosh tough before loosing late in the 4th quarter.   Eau Claire, LaCrosse and Stout have improved as well. Look at their scores against each other the last two weeks.

The last place team in the WIAC, River Falls, came within 3 points of beating St. John's and then Eau Claire played St. John's to a 3 point game.  Yes, St. Thomas beat Eau Claire handily.  LaCrosse lost to NCC by 17 points and Stevens Point lost to NCC by 20 points.  The closest a CCIW team has been to NCC is 17 points.   

I really do not think the WIAC has anything to be overly concerned about and if River Falls could get some facilities to aid in their recruitment efforts, I believe they would start improving as well.

WarhawkDad

[02 Warhawk]

I find it interesting that as UWW has risen to a position of dominance, the majority of its WIAC rivals have descended into mediocrity and worse.  This year Whitewater has an excellent team and Oshkosh and Platteville are good, BUT then there's everyone else.  Conversely, over in the MIAC as St. John's has fallen from its position of dominance, virtually all of its rivals are ascending.  Bethel is excellent and St. Thomas and Concordia are very good.  St. John's is still a decent team and up-and-coming Gustavus and dangerous Augsburg are on a par with the Johnnies.  Lightly regarded Carleton even  had Concordia on  the ropes in the 4th quarter Saturday.  If competitive balance is the measure of a great conference, then the WIAC's claims of superiority ring hollow at this moment in time.  Let's hope the WIAC doesn't go the way of the OAC, where Mt. Union essentially plays a 10-game exhibition schedule in preparation for the post-season.

Kestrel

Not sure you are really watching the Conference that closely.   Steven's Point almost beat Platteville.  Stout played Oshkosh tough before loosing late in the 4th quarter.   Eau Claire, LaCrosse and Stout have improved as well. Look at their scores against each other the last two weeks.

The last place team in the WIAC, River Falls, came within 3 points of beating St. John's and then Eau Claire played St. John's to a 3 point game.  Yes, St. Thomas beat Eau Claire handily.  LaCrosse lost to NCC by 17 points and Stevens Point lost to NCC by 20 points.  The closest a CCIW team has been to NCC is 17 points.   

I really do not think the WIAC has anything to be overly concerned about and if River Falls could get some facilities to aid in their recruitment efforts, I believe they would start improving as well.

WarhawkDad

And a non-Whitewater team made it to the semi-finals a year ago out of the WIAC.

[emma17]

Bleed,
I'd go:
1-  Team 4
2-  Team 3
3-  Team 2
4-  Team 1
5-  Team 5

Why did you just copy mine?   

I used a point system in which I ranked each category.  The team with the best stat got 5 points, next best 4 points and so on.  I only used those stats that were available for all five teams.  It was roughly a half hour of my life which I will never get back but piqued my interest and bleed needed someone to do it so the time he spent and will never get back wasn't spent in vain.  No need to thank me, bleed, I'm just that kind of a guy. 

That's funny BW, I didn't even think to compare ours.  I think we used a similar methodology, but I used a calculator while you probably used that abacus of yours 

[emma17]

UWP's opponents record going into the game with UWW......15-41

Just as a point of comparison, SJU opponents record.............28-34 (includes all 8 games)

Bringing that  record down, ironically is the WIAC opponents - Eau Claire and UWEF's 1-15 record.

Ret- gearing up for the playoff seedings are you?   

I do believe that it seems the lower half of the WIAC is down this year- but I don't say that because of W-L records.  I was disappointed in the level of play from teams like Stout and Eau Claire against UWW.  UWEC's bad performance may have more to do with the Friday night travel and game though.   

That said, I've always felt that the best way to view the strength of an entire conference is to think about the type of game the lower tier teams will typically give a decent/good opponent. 
UWL is 3-5 and has given every opponent except UWW a good game (including NCC).
UWEC is 1-7 and took your St. John's team and Pacific to the wire - but got thrashed by St. T.   
UWS is 3-5 but hard to judge as they played a couple non D3 teams, however they weren't competitive against NCC (although the margin of NCC victory is similar to NCC vs IWU). 
UWRF is 0-8.  They played St. John's to the wire and were very competitive vs St. Thomas.  They lost by one point to 6-2 Simpson. 

From the perspective I think matters most, which is, will you get a good game, then the WIAC is still extremely formidable, and to win the conference, you have to play well every single game.  If you're in the game late, you have a chance to win.  In the majority of losses by the bottom tier WIAC teams, they were in the game.     

I'm not comparing to your MIAC as it's a bit harder given you play only 2 non-conf games vs. 3- AND mostly because your lower tier MAIC teams don't schedule oppenents like NCC, St. Thomas, Pacific, St. John's and Simpson- the WIAC lower tier teams do. 
And that alone speaks volumes for the WIAC! 

[skunks_sidekick]

Welcome back to the power pinnacle my UWW friends! 

(In my best Dean Wormer's voice)...I really hate those guys!   

[bleedpurple]

 

Welcome back to the power pinnacle my UWW friends! 

(In my best Dean Wormer's voice)...I really hate those guys!   

Son, we live in a world that has brackets, and those brackets have to be filled by men with cannons. Who's gonna do it? You? You,Skunks Sidekick? UW-W has  a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for UW-Oshkosh, and you curse the Warhawks. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. UW-O's stumble, while tragic, probably saved the WIAC. And UW's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, strengthens D3. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you WANT UW-W in that bracket.  you NEED UW-W in that bracket. We use words like WIWA and monkeystomp and purple kool aide. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the influence of alcohol .   

[WarhawkDad]

UWP's opponents record going into the game with UWW......15-41

Just as a point of comparison, SJU opponents record.............28-34 (includes all 8 games)

Bringing that  record down, ironically is the WIAC opponents - Eau Claire and UWEF's 1-15 record.

Ret- gearing up for the playoff seedings are you?   

I do believe that it seems the lower half of the WIAC is down this year- but I don't say that because of W-L records.  I was disappointed in the level of play from teams like Stout and Eau Claire against UWW.  UWEC's bad performance may have more to do with the Friday night travel and game though.   

That said, I've always felt that the best way to view the strength of an entire conference is to think about the type of game the lower tier teams will typically give a decent/good opponent. 
UWL is 3-5 and has given every opponent except UWW a good game (including NCC).
UWEC is 1-7 and took your St. John's team and Pacific to the wire - but got thrashed by St. T.   
UWS is 3-5 but hard to judge as they played a couple non D3 teams, however they weren't competitive against NCC (although the margin of NCC victory is similar to NCC vs IWU). 
UWRF is 0-8.  They played St. John's to the wire and were very competitive vs St. Thomas.  They lost by one point to 6-2 Simpson. 

From the perspective I think matters most, which is, will you get a good game, then the WIAC is still extremely formidable, and to win the conference, you have to play well every single game.  If you're in the game late, you have a chance to win.  In the majority of losses by the bottom tier WIAC teams, they were in the game.     

I'm not comparing to your MIAC as it's a bit harder given you play only 2 non-conf games vs. 3- AND mostly because your lower tier MAIC teams don't schedule oppenents like NCC, St. Thomas, Pacific, St. John's and Simpson- the WIAC lower tier teams do. 
And that alone speaks volumes for the WIAC!

Emma

Now that I am firmly onboard with WIWA, I would like you to look at the bolded sentence above and understand, it was not because those WIAC teams are down, it is because

Whitewater IS Whitewater Again

The explanation you provide later in your response just validates that the lower tier of WIAC teams is still as competitive with the balance of D3 football as they have ever been.

WarhawkDad

[WarhawkDad]

Welcome back to the power pinnacle my UWW friends! 

(In my best Dean Wormer's voice)...I really hate those guys!   

Son, we live in a world that has brackets, and those brackets have to be filled by men with cannons. Who's gonna do it? You? You,Skunks Sidekick? UW-W has  a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for UW-Oshkosh, and you curse the Warhawks. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. UW-O's stumble, while tragic, probably saved the WIAC. And UW's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, strengthens D3. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you WANT UW-W in that bracket.  you NEED UW-W in that bracket. We use words like WIWA and monkeystomp and purple kool aide. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the influence of alcohol .   

Pat

I would like to nominate this post as post of the year!   Just imagining Bleedpurple doing his best Jack Nicholson imitation has me laughing at loud at my place of employment!   

WarhawkDad