FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[bluenote]

How many students are enrolled at NDS and Towson? Just found out that 84% of DIII schools are private and enroll an average of about 2000 students.

[voice]

UW-Whitewater's Brian Borland has been named one of three finalists for the FootballScoop.com D3 Coordinator of the Year Award. The other finalists are: Linfield's Jackson Vaughan, North Central's Jeff Thorne

The winner will be announced at the American Football Coaches Association's annual convention later thus month

http://www.footballscoop.com/coaching-awards/2013-coaches-of-the-year/2013-division-iii-coordinator

[emma17]

UW-Whitewater's Brian Borland has been named one of three finalists for the FootballScoop.com D3 Coordinator of the Year Award. The other finalists are: Linfield's Jackson Vaughan, North Central's Jeff Thorne

The winner will be announced at the American Football Coaches Association's annual convention later thus month

http://www.footballscoop.com/coaching-awards/2013-coaches-of-the-year/2013-division-iii-coordinator

Come on man, how is this even a contest?
No disrespect to the other guys as they are no doubt really good. The UWW D was well beyond anything those teams accomplished.

[emma17]

How many students are enrolled at NDS and Towson? Just found out that 84% of DIII schools are private and enroll an average of about 2000 students.

Did you just say something?

[Pat Coleman]

How many students are enrolled at NDS and Towson? Just found out that 84% of DIII schools are private and enroll an average of about 2000 students.

I don't know why you just found that out -- that's pretty similar to the stats we've been saying for the past 15 years.

Generally, 20% of Division III is state schools. Indeed, the median enrollment (not the average) is 2,200 or so in any given year. State schools average fewer players on their rosters than the private schools do.

[bleedpurple]

How many students are enrolled at NDS and Towson? Just found out that 84% of DIII schools are private and enroll an average of about 2000 students.

Bluenote, I want to give you a tip to enhance your online enjoyment. It's called "Google". It's a really cool thing. just type in www.google.com and then in the search bar type in "North Dakota State enrollment". I'm sure you can take it from there. And then type in "Towson University enrollment".  It's cool because you can do that with any subject and get a lot of information. It took me about 30 seconds to find out the answer to your question.  No need to thank me. Helping people is what I'm all about. 

[bluenote]

Thanks bleed.....that's the first I've ever heard of google.    While your looking things up maybe you could look up the term "rhetorical question" .... that might enlighten your mind somewhat.

BTW.......do you folks in Wisconsin have different levels of high school football based on enrollment numbers? In Oregon we have 1A - 6A based on enrollment numbers. Do you think a 2A school with 300 students would have much chance going up against a 6A school with 3000 students in football? Another rhetorical question.......

Thanks Pat I'm pretty sure I may have seen you post something like that before but I just actually looked it up myself recently.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Thanks bleed.....that's the first I've ever heard of google.    While your looking things up maybe you could look up the term "rhetorical question" .... that might enlighten your mind somewhat.

BTW.......do you folks in Wisconsin have different levels of high school football based on enrollment numbers? In Oregon we have 1A - 6A based on enrollment numbers. Do you think a 2A school with 300 students would have much chance going up against a 6A school with 3000 students in football? Another rhetorical question.......

Thanks Pat I'm pretty sure I may have seen you post something like that before but I just actually looked it up myself recently.

High school vs college is apples vs. kumquats.  College athletes (even in d3) are recruited; in high school (aside from rogue programs and some private schools) there is no recruitment, just try-outs by enrolled students.  Size is a huge variable in high school; of very little importance in college (see, for example, little Mt. Union).

[bluenote]

Pretty sure all coaches recruit at any level but the scope is limited in most situations.

[bluenote]

High school vs college is apples vs. kumquats.  College athletes (even in d3) are recruited; in high school (aside from rogue programs and some private schools) there is no recruitment

You must not have heard of Jesuit or Central Catholic (football) or Jefferson...for basketball. Jefferson is actually a 5A school but they most often have more D1 players.

[Mr. Ypsi]

High school vs college is apples vs. kumquats.  College athletes (even in d3) are recruited; in high school (aside from rogue programs and some private schools) there is no recruitment

You must not have heard of Jesuit or Central Catholic (football) or Jefferson...for basketball. Jefferson is actually a 5A school but they most often have more D1 players.

Not familiar with those schools, but in Michigan (which has divisions by enrollment), the dominant schools are usually private (which includes parochial).  Recruiting will trump enrollment size 9 times out of 10.  Which is exactly why comparing high school to college is a fool's errand.  For most high schools, it is paramount.  For most colleges it is irrelevant (with the possible exception of affording better facilities and/or better coaches).

[02 Warhawk]

High school vs college is apples vs. kumquats.  College athletes (even in d3) are recruited; in high school (aside from rogue programs and some private schools) there is no recruitment

You must not have heard of Jesuit or Central Catholic (football) or Jefferson...for basketball. Jefferson is actually a 5A school but they most often have more D1 players.

Not familiar with those schools, but in Michigan (which has divisions by enrollment), the dominant schools are usually private (which includes parochial).  Recruiting will trump enrollment size 9 times out of 10.  Which is exactly why comparing high school to college is a fool's errand.  For most high schools, it is paramount.  For most colleges it is irrelevant (with the possible exception of affording better facilities and/or better coaches).

Ypsi gets it.

Plus, take a look around the NJAC. Those are some huge public schools as well. But they haven't had a deep playoff contender since the 90's (Rowan). Seemed like a puny private school from Ohio kept getting in their way of winning it all.

I felt like we had this discussion before on this board. Bluenote must be new around here.

[footballfan413]

Ok, let me try..

Blue, since you are so set on using numbers to make your point, which appears to be, that public schools with a large enrollment have an advantage at the D-3 level, let me give you some.  How do you explain that since 1973, when our current play-off system was put in place, a big, bad public school has only won the National championship 8 times since 1973?   8 times in 43 years?    And 5 of those came in the last 6 years with our run. Only 3 times in 34 years if one looks before 2007.  And how do you explain the fact that the WIAC conferences only allows a 100 man roster while many, if not most, private schools have the ability to develop rosters with players that number anywhere from 120 to over 200 in Mounts case.  When it comes to actual football players, not students, a case could be made that, we, public schools in the WIAC are at a disadvantage. 

But, feel free to contact the UMHB, NCC, Wesley, Linfield, ect., programs with your theory.  I bet they would love to hear that , after the last several frustrating years of getting so close to the Stagg, that all they need to do to win it all is to throw open the admission doors and put more seats in the classrooms.   


http://d3football.com/playoffs/index

[badgerwarhawk]

High school vs college is apples vs. kumquats.  College athletes (even in d3) are recruited; in high school (aside from rogue programs and some private schools) there is no recruitment

You must not have heard of Jesuit or Central Catholic (football) or Jefferson...for basketball. Jefferson is actually a 5A school but they most often have more D1 players.

Not familiar with those schools, but in Michigan (which has divisions by enrollment), the dominant schools are usually private (which includes parochial).  Recruiting will trump enrollment size 9 times out of 10.  Which is exactly why comparing high school to college is a fool's errand.  For most high schools, it is paramount.  For most colleges it is irrelevant (with the possible exception of affording better facilities and/or better coaches).

That should be right up his alley in that case.

Enrollement:
Notre Dame: 8,475
Michigan State: 48,906
Southern Cal: 36,896

09/21/2013
Notre Dame: 17
Michigan State: 13

10/19/2013
Notre Dame: 14
USC: 10

[badgerwarhawk]

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I felt like we had this discussion before on this board. Bluenote must be new around here.

He's not new, he's trolling.