FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[jknezek]

That being said, I'm fine with doing away with extra points, modifying field goal points for distance (like the CFL), and switching to punts for kickoff duty. I think you could almost do away with placekickers this way leaving another roster spot for a contact player.

I believe you are mistaken here. All field goals in the CFL are three points. The major CFL scoring difference is the single (rouge), which is essentially a point for the kicking team for a touchback.

Could be. Thought the CFL had zones but I can't remember the last time I watched a CFL game. I'm probably wrong and I don't care enough to look it up.

[ExTartanPlayer]

Huh, emma, that makes no sense.  You don't even want them to punt and place kick.  Yet you think they should be offensive or defensive starters.     

It reminds me of Matt Turk.  Turk was the number one punter for only two of the four years he played for us.  Otherwise he was a tight end.  His collegiate numbers were relatively average.  Yet he parlayed punting into an extended NFL career with three All Pro/Pro Bowl appearances.   He was connected with nine NFL teams between the years 1993-2011, punted over 1,300 times and had a career average of just over 42 yards.   

I'm a nuanced sort of guy. IF football is to continue w specialists at kicking and punting- then I don't think it's good for one guy to do both.

However, once football adopts my rules, then their won't be any such thing as a kicking/punting specialist.  There's something very wrong when 11 guys are busting their tails, knocking heads, getting banged up to drive the ball down the field - stall or run out of time- and then bring in some clean clothed, unscratched, dry shirted "specialist" to determine the game.
I favor the concept of having the guys with all the skin in the game determine the outcome.

Common discussion with me and my buddies. I also dislike having a player who does nothing but kick extra points and field goals (and punts to a lesser extent). My favorite "solution that will never happen" would be to prohibit a player just subbed into the game to take a placekick. IE, the person who takes the placekick must have been on the field the play prior.

I just love the possibilities of it...
- Multiple offensive and defensive players will have to practice placekicking because you never know who might be on the field when a TD is scored.
- More going for it on 4th down, since your kicker(s) will likely be less reliable.
- More going for 2, same reason, and going for 2 is awesome.
- Do you carry a placekicking specialist on your roster? Sub them in when the ball is on the 1, or perhaps on 3rd and long when in field goal range, so they'd be eligible to take the placekick? Might be a wasted spot most of the season, but that one time you need a 45-yarder to win it could all be worth it.

I actually love this suggestion, too.

[02 Warhawk]

Keep it the way it is....it's fine.

[badgerwarhawk]

I don't have a problem with a kicking specialist.  The game is full of specialists of one kind or another. 

   

[Just Bill]

You can also go rugby rules where the player that scores it has to try and convert it. That brings in the fantastic possibility of a "fat guy PAT" following a "fat guy touchdown".

[Mr. Ypsi]

You can also go rugby rules where the player that scores it has to try and convert it. That brings in the fantastic possibility of a "fat guy PAT" following a "fat guy touchdown".

I'd love to see Refrigerator Perry going for an EP!   (Though they'd probably go for 2.)

[badgerwarhawk]

The Bears did go for two when Perry attempted the extra point against the PACKERS years ago. 

[emma17]

You can also go rugby rules where the player that scores it has to try and convert it. That brings in the fantastic possibility of a "fat guy PAT" following a "fat guy touchdown".

I like your ideas Just Bill.
Think of the change in play calling we'd see if some of your ideas were implemented.
Not just the play calls where teams burn a down to move the ball inline for a kick - but the entire series could be changed. Surely 3rd downs in plus territory would change a bit. Fourth down conversion attempts would skyrocket. We'd all be treated to more of the game that we love to watch.

[02 Warhawk]

DIII Pre season AA team is out:

3 UWW
2 UWP
1 UWO

Hopefully they can back it up and appear on the one at the end of the season.

[emma17]

DIII Pre season AA team is out:

3 UWW
2 UWP
1 UWO

Hopefully they can back it up and appear on the one at the end of the season.

These guys sure earned it from their play last year. 
We all recognize how difficult the selection process is for AA's.  There just aren't enough spots to recognize all the great players.  If there was a published list at the end of the season titled something like "Pool of the best players by position that could likely play for any D3 team in the country" I wouldn't be surprised to see the following UWW guys on it:
Skibba, Kumerow, Grayvold,
Peters- OL
McLin- CB
Bratchett- DE
Tamsett- DL
Behrendt- QB
Howard- WR/Return
Bachar-Kicker

[02 Warhawk]

I hope you're right about Bratchett and Tamsett. That would be a huge boost if those two can get to the QB regularly.

[emma17]

I hope you're right about Bratchett and Tamsett. That would be a huge boost if those two can get to the QB regularly.

Of course past performance is no guaranty of future success. That said, Bratchett was a terror in the playoffs culminated by a great Stagg Bowl.
Tamsett is strong and athletic w a high motor.
IMO the D Line will be very strong and probably has to be to give new LB's some help.

[Just Bill]

You can also go rugby rules where the player that scores it has to try and convert it. That brings in the fantastic possibility of a "fat guy PAT" following a "fat guy touchdown".

I like your ideas Just Bill.
Think of the change in play calling we'd see if some of your ideas were implemented.
Not just the play calls where teams burn a down to move the ball inline for a kick - but the entire series could be changed. Surely 3rd downs in plus territory would change a bit. Fourth down conversion attempts would skyrocket. We'd all be treated to more of the game that we love to watch.

I don't really have a problem with kickers, they're just too good at what they do, especially in the NFL. Fourth down attempts are some of the best moments in football, but NFL teams have almost no gray area bewteen "punt" and "field goal attempt". Two reasons a) kickers are so good for long distance and b) coaches are too chicken to go for reasonable 4th down attempts, even if it means punting on 4th and 3 from the opponents' 40-yard line.

(That last one drives me nuts. NFL coaches have all the data in the world at their fingertips and yet overwhelmingly bypass the best option statistically (going for it on 4th and short in good field position) in favor of the one that will create fewer complaints and hard questions at the post-game press conference (punting). So many times NFL coaches make the choice that will avoid criticism. That's what you get paid for!)

I like rules that would encourage any or all of these things: going for it on 4th downs, playing for a TD instead of a FG, and going for 2 more often. All these make the game more exciting. Sometimes lower level games are better because the kickers aren't so reliable, making these other options more common.

The 4-point overtime rule does just that. You might be in field goal range, but do you want to take a chance that you'll make 3 and your opponent will drive down and score 6? You might be better plugging for the end zone, even if you get stuffed at the one yard line (because now your opponent is stuck at the 1-yard line!)

Anyway, no one will ever put them in, but they're fun to talk about.

[Just Bill]

The Bears did go for two when Perry attempted the extra point against the PACKERS years ago.

NFL didn't adopt the 2-point conversion until 1994, well after the Refrigerator.

[badgerwarhawk]

The Bears did go for two when Perry attempted the extra point against the PACKERS years ago.

NFL didn't adopt the 2-point conversion until 1994, well after the Refrigerator.

Really, I didn't realize that.  I just remembered them doing it and assumed it was for two points.  Thanks for the history lesson.