FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[02 Warhawk]

Complete. Domination. 

Great job by the (first team) defense, not giving up any points. Offense seemed to move the ball at will, but turnovers kept us off the scoreboard early....then the flood gates openned up in the second half.

We might have our hands full with a good passing wartburg next week. Looking forward to it.

I'm looking forward to it too...13-26 today for all of 87 net passing yards, 3.3 yards/play, 2 sacks...wait a minute, that's a good passing team?  I'm salivating...

Is it possible that they played against a pretty good defense today/? A defense that had given up  11pts/game? Maybe, just maybe?

I think that's exactly the case why. Hopefully similar results will occur next weekend when they face another good defense.....except the part with them winning

[bleedpurple]

Complete. Domination. 

Great job by the (first team) defense, not giving up any points. Offense seemed to move the ball at will, but turnovers kept us off the scoreboard early....then the flood gates openned up in the second half.

We might have our hands full with a good passing wartburg next week. Looking forward to it.

I'm looking forward to it too...13-26 today for all of 87 net passing yards, 3.3 yards/play, 2 sacks...wait a minute, that's a good passing team?  I'm salivating...

Is it possible that they played against a pretty good defense today/? A defense that had given up  11pts/game? Maybe, just maybe?

Sounds like they played em tough. Congrats to the Johnnies on a nice season. A great step forward in their return to prominence.

[NewHawk]

Complete. Domination. 

Great job by the (first team) defense, not giving up any points. Offense seemed to move the ball at will, but turnovers kept us off the scoreboard early....then the flood gates openned up in the second half.

We might have our hands full with a good passing wartburg next week. Looking forward to it.

I'm looking forward to it too...13-26 today for all of 87 net passing yards, 3.3 yards/play, 2 sacks...wait a minute, that's a good passing team?  I'm salivating...

Is it possible that they played against a pretty good defense today/? A defense that had given up  11pts/game? Maybe, just maybe?

Sounds like they played em tough. Congrats to the Johnnies on a nice season. A great step forward in their return to prominence.

Really looking forward to Saturday. I think our offense and defense are getting everything together at the right time. Wartburg should be a great test of where we are at, especially with our linebacker corps which played extremely well against Wabash. Hopefully the crowd will be bigger on UWW's side of the stadium.

[emma17]

Hey emma -- just in case you don't go back to the NCAC board to see what I said there, I'll repeat it here. Putting an apology at the beginning of your post doesn't excuse you for being an ass.

Unnecessary and uncalled for and not really in line with the general classiness of the UWW program.

You're right Pat, if I could go back in time I wouldn't have called out Smed in the manner I did.  It showed a lack of temperance and respect on my part and I'm sorry I did it. 

Let's make a deal Pat.  You call me out when I act like an ass and I'll call you out when you do the same.
Deal?

[retagent]

The "next time" will be the first time. I've been cited by Pat on a couple occasions, but he always seemed to hit the right tone, even if I didn't agree with him.

[WarhawkDad]

The "next time" will be the first time. I've been cited by Pat on a couple occasions, but he always seemed to hit the right tone, even if I didn't agree with him.

Thoughts from the sidelines.    So Emma17 posts a post that personally called out another poster.   Lets delete that portion of the post, but continue on with the point that was made, that UWO deserved to be in the playoffs and because of the system (albeit the best one in college football) they were left out.   UWO in my opinion would have beat everyone Whitewater has beaten this playoff season.   Last time Oshkosh was in the playoffs they played St. Thomas in the semifinals and St. Thomas made it to the Stagg and lost to Mount.    Point being that the WIAC is deep and that those of us who have been following for at least several years have had the occasion to see that quality.  That also makes us fairly good at recognizing that quality in other teams and conferences.

In fact the WIAC's depth has caused the upper echelon of the conference to have a difficult time scheduling games.  So we end up being forced to schedule non-D3 teams.  In the extreme could other conferences do this on purpose?  Who knows?

Emma17 not only played D3 football, he is one of the only fans I know that goes to games outside the WIAC just to see quality teams.   He also streams games from other conferences just to see the quality of play of those teams doing well that UWW might meet in the playoffs.   He has tremendous football knowledge.   

While calling out a poster might have been in poor taste and lacked judgment I think calling him an "ass" by the founder of the site is also in poor taste and could have been handled better.   

As one poster, I think Pat owes Emma an apology, not for the message, but for his choice of words.

WarhawkDad

[cubs]

In fact the WIAC's depth has caused the upper echelon of the conference to have a difficult time scheduling games.  So we end up being forced to schedule non-D3 teams.  In the extreme could other conferences do this on purpose?  Who knows?

It should be worth noting that of the four teams Oshkosh lost to, three of them are still alive in their respective NCAA/NAIA playoffs....

[02 Warhawk]

The thing is, most of us have seen whitewater really struggle against some WIAC teams that are sitting at home right now. Meanwhile, UWW just crushed a pool c team that made it over some other wiac teams.

With that being said, it's easy to make the assumption that some teams in the wiac might be stronger than some of the competition UWW has faced in the playoffs thus far.

Does that necessary mean Oshkosh is better than wabash...maybe? but I can't say for certain. It certainly makes for a good debate, which I don't think has a clear answer.

Also, the wiac fans are in a no win situation here. When we voice our opinion and stick up for our conference, it comes across as cocky and arrogant to everyone.

[USee]

So make your point about the system with a team from another conference, say North Central. They got left out and were obviously better than UWP and arguably better than Oshkosh.  And plenty of WIAC fans know how they have fared in the playoffs recently.  Same point different league, more powerful argument. 

Problem is you can't really argue for UWP and not for NCC can you? Bute. You have to use the UWSP result and it gets more complicated. Which is the whole point.  How does a team dominate UWP and lost to UWSP?

[02 Warhawk]

So make your point about the system with a team from another conference, say North Central. They got left out and were obviously better than UWP and arguably better than Oshkosh.  And plenty of WIAC fans know how they have fared in the playoffs recently.  Same point different league, more powerful argument. 

Problem is you can't really argue for UWP and not for NCC can you? Bute. You have to use the UWSP result and it gets more complicated. Which is the whole point.  How does a team dominate UWP and lost to UWSP?

Fair point, ncc is certainly in that same category.

[cubs]

So make your point about the system with a team from another conference, say North Central. They got left out and were obviously better than UWP and arguably better than Oshkosh. And plenty of WIAC fans know how they have fared in the playoffs recently.  Same point different league, more powerful argument. 

Problem is you can't really argue for UWP and not for NCC can you? Bute. You have to use the UWSP result and it gets more complicated. Which is the whole point.  How does a team dominate UWP and lost to UWSP?

Arguably better?  UWO was 2-0 against the same WIAC opponents that North Central played this season.

[emma17]

So make your point about the system with a team from another conference, say North Central. They got left out and were obviously better than UWP and arguably better than Oshkosh.  And plenty of WIAC fans know how they have fared in the playoffs recently.  Same point different league, more powerful argument. 

Problem is you can't really argue for UWP and not for NCC can you? Bute. You have to use the UWSP result and it gets more complicated. Which is the whole point.  How does a team dominate UWP and lost to UWSP?

Usee,
I am going to start calling BS where it's warranted.  BS on you.  Facts rather than exaggeration and we can have a fair debate.   Domination is a flat out exaggeration and has no place in this discussion.  I agree entirely NCC was better than UWP.  UWP fell behind 21 points in the 1st quarter.  From that point forward, the game was played to a 7-7 draw.  In fact, the score was 21-7 with most of the 3rd quarter left to play.  Not a fair minded football fan on the planet would say that 21-7 is domination.  BS on you.

[jknezek]

So make your point about the system with a team from another conference, say North Central. They got left out and were obviously better than UWP and arguably better than Oshkosh.  And plenty of WIAC fans know how they have fared in the playoffs recently.  Same point different league, more powerful argument. 

Problem is you can't really argue for UWP and not for NCC can you? Bute. You have to use the UWSP result and it gets more complicated. Which is the whole point.  How does a team dominate UWP and lost to UWSP?

Usee,
I am going to start calling BS where it's warranted.  BS on you.  Facts rather than exaggeration and we can have a fair debate.   Domination is a flat out exaggeration and has no place in this discussion.  I agree entirely NCC was better than UWP.  UWP fell behind 21 points in the 1st quarter.  From that point forward, the game was played to a 7-7 draw.  In fact, the score was 21-7 with most of the 3rd quarter left to play.  Not a fair minded football fan on the planet would say that 21-7 is domination.  BS on you.

Then I call BS on your argument Emma. Football is 4 quarters. You don't start ignoring the parts you don't like, otherwise Wabash lost 10-7 to UWW in the first half. They were as close as any team UWW played this season to knocking them off, if you ignore the inconvenient parts of the game that disprove your assertion. Something you conveniently just did.

Over the course of a game, NCC almost monkey stomped UWP. Maybe they let off after steaming up the first quarter, maybe they didn't, but no fair minded football plan on the planet would ignore what actually happened over a full game in order to try and make a piss poor argument rebuttal.

Call BS on other people if you want, but at first try and be aware of your own.

[USee]

7.3 yds per rush for NCC. BS on you Emma. That game wasn't nearly as close as the final score. And yes NCC rushed it on everybody but the ONLY opponent to give up anywhere close to 7 yds per carry was UWP.  If you watched it you may be able to distinguish these stats from eye test. NCC, that day, was a dominant football team.

[USee]

So make your point about the system with a team from another conference, say North Central. They got left out and were obviously better than UWP and arguably better than Oshkosh. And plenty of WIAC fans know how they have fared in the playoffs recently.  Same point different league, more powerful argument. 

Problem is you can't really argue for UWP and not for NCC can you? Bute. You have to use the UWSP result and it gets more complicated. Which is the whole point.  How does a team dominate UWP and lost to UWSP?

Arguably better?  UWO was 2-0 against the same WIAC opponents that North Central played this season.

Hmmm. That is a quandry isn't it. So why aren't they "arguably" better? I argue they are and you argue they aren't. It isn't clear cut since. The UWO/UWP game was triple OT and the NCC v UWP game was never closer than 14 pts. But then UWSP beat NCC by 7 and UWO beat UWSP by 14. Isn't that by definition arguable?

And we aren't really arguing if NCC would beat or lose to UWO anyway? The reason they all got left out is likely because the committee couldn't decipher that mess so why can we?

More importantly you guys seemed to go right past my main point, which was in support of your original argument, in order to dissect the other part of my post. It's not really an argument at all that NCC was just as much "not selected" as UWP or UWO is it?