FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[sju56321]

Will he finish the season? Will this have any effect, if he coaches, on the remaining games?

[voice]

BREAKING NEWS: Wisconsin-Whitewater coach Lance Leipold has agreed to become the new head coach at the University of Buffalo (NY)according to a person with knowledge of the coaching search. An announcement is expected Monday (Per numerous sources)

http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/11/28/buffalo-bulls-hire-lance-leipold-head-coach

[Capn34]

Will he finish the season? Will this have any effect, if he coaches, on the remaining games?

My guess he does not finish the season.  Recruiting starts tomorrow for his new job.  He cannot take the next three weeks off th new job for the one he is leaving.  No two weeks notice in big time ball

[02 Warhawk]

The article thinks he'll finish the season out

[wally_wabash]

I don't apologize for believing the WIAC provides excellent competition.  I don't apologize for believing I have a good idea of what a playoff competitive team looks like.  I don't apologize for thinking teams need to build some credibility and pedigree to increase their chances of getting in through Pool B and C.  Yes, I get that it's hard to build pedigree in Pool C if you don't get in the first time.  The answer isn't the Robin Hood approach, the answer is they need to win their conference and do well in the playoffs.  The same way other teams built their pedigree.

What exactly did UWO or UWP prove in 2014 that they ought to have been selected instead of the teams that did?  You can crow forever about how good YOU think those teams are and that they would beat the brakes off of the other teams that got selected, but you don't know that.  You're just guessing.  There's nothing substantive in your argument.  It's just a bunch of conference pride chest pounding.  UWO and UWP didn't get wronged by the committee.  They didn't have seasons that merited selection.

Your opinion too.  The committee was wrong.  UWO had one loss.   
The problem Wally, is they both played teams that are proven playoff winners.  UWO had one loss, in a hard fought game with evidence that UWO could outplay UWW in certain areas, to the defending national champion.  If the goal of Pool B and C is to enhance the level of competition, then UWO and NCC for that matter (my argument isn't restricted to just WIAC teams) were better choices than a team that had an audition resulting in a 56 point loss to a proven playoff team.
It's really not that complicated.  Muhl vs. UWO or NCC?  easy choice if you want the best team in the playoffs.  TLU vs UWO or NCC, easy choice again. 
As for UWP, I don't argue that they should have gotten in, they unfortunately played a buzz saw of a schedule.  The point with them is they can play with anybody.

You can't say that.  You have no idea, other than your own beefed up opinion of teams that play in that conference, that UWO is better than NCC or Muhlenberg.  The committee wasn't wrong.  The committee applied the criteria and came up with Muhlenberg. 

And you're wrong for saying that UWO lost one game.  They lost four games and those other three games that you are ignoring count.  This is a good time to bring back up that in our mock selection, I voted for UWO for that last spot.  I got outvoted and we put a different team in the field.  That's the way the committee works.  But I don't feel like we got it wrong when we put North Central in the field in our mock or that the national committee got it wrong when they put in Muhlenberg and St. Thomas.  There are valid criteria-based reasons for selecting any of the teams that we did in our mock or that the national committee did on Selection Sunday.  There were a lot of good teams there on the bubble and not enough space for all of them.  I've seen Wabash on both sides of that coin in the last two years. 

I'd like for you to find in the handbook where it says the goal of Pools B and C is to "enhance the level of competition".  I don't think it says that.  I also don't think that the committee's selections were obviously detrimental to the field.  Again, you're assuming something (namely that UWO would win games in this tournament) that you can't know. 

In any case, I assume this will die down now.  You guys have bigger fish to fry. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

LL will annually be butting heads with former Wabash coach Chris Creighton (EMU).  I'm pretty sure that CC had left Wabash before LL was hired at UWW, but anyone know if their paths have ever crossed?

[wally_wabash]

LL will annually be butting heads with former Wabash coach Chris Creighton (EMU).  I'm pretty sure that CC had left Wabash before LL was hired at UWW, but anyone know if their paths have ever crossed?

Yes, they coached the 2007 quarterfinal game against each other.

[emma17]

Sorry to get off topic but.....whoa.


Leipold to Buffalo?

Personally I will hope that this is proven false.
If not, I'm happy for Lance and wish him nothing but the best. 

[emma17]

I don't apologize for believing the WIAC provides excellent competition.  I don't apologize for believing I have a good idea of what a playoff competitive team looks like.  I don't apologize for thinking teams need to build some credibility and pedigree to increase their chances of getting in through Pool B and C.  Yes, I get that it's hard to build pedigree in Pool C if you don't get in the first time.  The answer isn't the Robin Hood approach, the answer is they need to win their conference and do well in the playoffs.  The same way other teams built their pedigree.

What exactly did UWO or UWP prove in 2014 that they ought to have been selected instead of the teams that did?  You can crow forever about how good YOU think those teams are and that they would beat the brakes off of the other teams that got selected, but you don't know that.  You're just guessing.  There's nothing substantive in your argument.  It's just a bunch of conference pride chest pounding.  UWO and UWP didn't get wronged by the committee.  They didn't have seasons that merited selection.

Your opinion too.  The committee was wrong.  UWO had one loss.   
The problem Wally, is they both played teams that are proven playoff winners.  UWO had one loss, in a hard fought game with evidence that UWO could outplay UWW in certain areas, to the defending national champion.  If the goal of Pool B and C is to enhance the level of competition, then UWO and NCC for that matter (my argument isn't restricted to just WIAC teams) were better choices than a team that had an audition resulting in a 56 point loss to a proven playoff team.
It's really not that complicated.  Muhl vs. UWO or NCC?  easy choice if you want the best team in the playoffs.  TLU vs UWO or NCC, easy choice again. 
As for UWP, I don't argue that they should have gotten in, they unfortunately played a buzz saw of a schedule.  The point with them is they can play with anybody.

You can't say that.  You have no idea, other than your own beefed up opinion of teams that play in that conference, that UWO is better than NCC or Muhlenberg.  The committee wasn't wrong.  The committee applied the criteria and came up with Muhlenberg. 

And you're wrong for saying that UWO lost one game.  They lost four games and those other three games that you are ignoring count.  This is a good time to bring back up that in our mock selection, I voted for UWO for that last spot.  I got outvoted and we put a different team in the field.  That's the way the committee works.  But I don't feel like we got it wrong when we put North Central in the field in our mock or that the national committee got it wrong when they put in Muhlenberg and St. Thomas.  There are valid criteria-based reasons for selecting any of the teams that we did in our mock or that the national committee did on Selection Sunday.  There were a lot of good teams there on the bubble and not enough space for all of them.  I've seen Wabash on both sides of that coin in the last two years. 

I'd like for you to find in the handbook where it says the goal of Pools B and C is to "enhance the level of competition".  I don't think it says that.  I also don't think that the committee's selections were obviously detrimental to the field.  Again, you're assuming something (namely that UWO would win games in this tournament) that you can't know. 

In any case, I assume this will die down now.  You guys have bigger fish to fry.

Please, no exaggeration.  I did not say I thought UWO was better than NCC.  Not once did I say that.  Facts please.
Second, I realize I didn't make it clear initially.  I'm not arguing the rules per the handbook.  I'm suggesting that there is a great amount of subjectivity that can be applied.  Just like the committee subjectively gave the Pool B to TLU, when it would have been wiser to give it to Centre.  That at least leaves TLU to have to battle it out with the other Pool C candidates. 
At that point, if NCC made it over UWO, we'd not be having this conversation.

I personally believe UWO was too good of a team to be left out.
As for the out of Division 3 losses, I don't buy what you're selling.  Wesley would have a loss then and should not be number one in a bracket. 
If one non D 3 loss doesn't count, then all non D 3 losses shouldn't count.

[wesleydad]

Sorry to get off topic but.....whoa.


Leipold to Buffalo?

Personally I will hope that this is proven false.
If not, I'm happy for Lance and wish him nothing but the best.

Congrats to him.  I met his wife last year and she was one of the nicest people I have ever met.  She hung out at the Stone Station tailgate and actually talked football.  She was very reserved in her comments, but you could get a sense that she had an idea that they game was going to go the way it went.  If he does not finish the season it will certainly change things.  There is no way that the team just moves forward if the head coach leaves with 3 games left.

[cubs]

The article thinks he'll finish the season out

Am I missing something in the article?  I don't see any mention about the rest of the season.

[wally_wabash]

Please, no exaggeration.  I did not say I thought UWO was better than NCC.  Not once did I say that.  Facts please.
Second, I realize I didn't make it clear initially.  I'm not arguing the rules per the handbook.  I'm suggesting that there is a great amount of subjectivity that can be applied.  Just like the committee subjectively gave the Pool B to TLU, when it would have been wiser to give it to Centre.  That at least leaves TLU to have to battle it out with the other Pool C candidates. 
At that point, if NCC made it over UWO, we'd not be having this conversation.

I personally believe UWO was too good of a team to be left out.
As for the out of Division 3 losses, I don't buy what you're selling.  Wesley would have a loss then and should not be number one in a bracket. 
If one non D 3 loss doesn't count, then all non D 3 losses shouldn't count.

No, they couldn't have taken Centre in pool B.  That's not the way the teams were ranked, so that wasn't even an option for the selection committee.  I'm not sure you understand the process, which makes this debate pointless. 

[02 Warhawk]

The article thinks he'll finish the season out

Am I missing something in the article?  I don't see any mention about the rest of the season.

The football scoop article hints that he wouldn't start right away because he's in he middle off a playoff run. Nothing has been confirmed though

[cubs]

The article thinks he'll finish the season out

Am I missing something in the article?  I don't see any mention about the rest of the season.

The football scoop article hints that he wouldn't start right away because he's in he middle off a playoff run. Nothing has been confirmed though

Thanks!!!  Only saw the SI article...

[cubs]

So make your point about the system with a team from another conference, say North Central. They got left out and were obviously better than UWP and arguably better than Oshkosh. And plenty of WIAC fans know how they have fared in the playoffs recently.  Same point different league, more powerful argument. 

Problem is you can't really argue for UWP and not for NCC can you? Bute. You have to use the UWSP result and it gets more complicated. Which is the whole point.  How does a team dominate UWP and lost to UWSP?

Arguably better?  UWO was 2-0 against the same WIAC opponents that North Central played this season.

Hmmm. That is a quandry isn't it. So why aren't they "arguably" better? I argue they are and you argue they aren't. It isn't clear cut since. The UWO/UWP game was triple OT and the NCC v UWP game was never closer than 14 pts. But then UWSP beat NCC by 7 and UWO beat UWSP by 14. Isn't that by definition arguable?

And we aren't really arguing if NCC would beat or lose to UWO anyway? The reason they all got left out is likely because the committee couldn't decipher that mess so why can we?

More importantly you guys seemed to go right past my main point, which was in support of your original argument, in order to dissect the other part of my post. It's not really an argument at all that NCC was just as much "not selected" as UWP or UWO is it?

To me 2-0 against Platteville and Stevens Point is better than 1-1...  About as "clear cut" as it gets!!!