FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Li'l Giant]

Will he finish the season? Will this have any effect, if he coaches, on the remaining games?

My guess he does not finish the season.  Recruiting starts tomorrow for his new job.  He cannot take the next three weeks off th new job for the one he is leaving.  No two weeks notice in big time ball

Buffalo fired the previous coach in October. I doubt three more weeks are going to hurt recruiting any worse.

[sjusection105]

Sorry to get off topic but.....whoa.


Leipold to Buffalo?

Does anyone have a clue how much of a pay difference there is from UWW and Buffalo? Said another way, is the money worth it to "start over"?

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Sorry to get off topic but.....whoa.


Leipold to Buffalo?

Does anyone have a clue how much of a pay difference there is from UWW and Buffalo? Said another way, is the money worth it to "start over"?

According to: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Former Buffalo Coach Quinn made $380,210 a year with total possible MAX Bonuses of $470,000

[02 Warhawk]

Sorry to get off topic but.....whoa.


Leipold to Buffalo?

Does anyone have a clue how much of a pay difference there is from UWW and Buffalo? Said another way, is the money worth it to "start over"?

According to: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Former Buffalo Coach Quinn made $380,210 a year with total possible MAX Bonuses of $470,000

Then yes.....That would be a huge increase from his UWW coaching position.

[Desertraider]

Wanted to jump over here and give a congrats to Coach Leipold. Definately deserving of the D1 attention. He took a good program from Coach Bob (not even going to try and spell the last name since I always butcher it) and built it into a national power. No doubt UWW will miss him - but I am sure they have someone waiting in the wings to take over a great program.

Is he going to finish out the season for UWW - or are they going to step in with the "Michigan man will cooach Michigan" approach?

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Sorry to get off topic but.....whoa.


Leipold to Buffalo?

Does anyone have a clue how much of a pay difference there is from UWW and Buffalo? Said another way, is the money worth it to "start over"?

According to: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Former Buffalo Coach Quinn made $380,210 a year with total possible MAX Bonuses of $470,000

Then yes.....That would be a huge increase from his UWW coaching position.

Old coach was 117/121 Salaries listed also.  Low on the scale and 2nd lowest in the MAC.

[USee]

7.3 yds per rush for NCC. BS on you Emma. That game wasn't nearly as close as the final score. And yes NCC rushed it on everybody but the ONLY opponent to give up anywhere close to 7 yds per carry was UWP.  If you watched it you may be able to distinguish these stats from eye test. NCC, that day, was a dominant football team.

Here's your Drive Chart Usee.
Like I said, I don't see domination.  I see NCC clearly outplayed them in the first quarter until UWP settled down. 
http://d3football.com/seasons/2014/boxscores/20140920_mo65.xml?view=drives

So you didn't see the game? And you are using stats to make your point? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? I watched it and, based on my credentials I thought they were dominant. UWP never threatened to win that game. It wasn't close. So I guess it wasn't 67-0 dominant (where UMU rushed for 6.2 yds per rush) and in that case it may depend on how you define dominant. But it certainly didn't look much different to me than the 2nd round game between those two in 2013. Incidentally, that was the last time an NCC team rushed for more than 7 yds per carry (8.5 yds per carry in that game). And no, I don't think domination is defined by yds per rush. But I do think it is defined as who wins the battle at the LOS and NCC did that convincingly.  I thought a 21 pt win was a "monkey stomp" in this room? And something twice that is a "double monkey stomp"? Maybe I misremember.

But then again, if we (you and I) were always right with our "eye test" we would be undefeated in the pickems and have the ability to make a lot of dough in Vegas. So I concede that UWP, UWO, NCC, Bethel, etc, may have different results vs each other if they played multiple times.

Again BS on you.  You asked me a question in your first sentence Usee- and didn't wait for an answer before calling me out.  I'll say it again Usee, you asked me a question in your first sentence- and you did not wait for an answer.

Seek first to understand.
Try the question again, and I'll be glad to answer.  And then from the standpoint, we can attempt to have a decent discussion.   

I didn't really care about your answer because they were rhetorical questions. We all knew the answer without you actually answering. But thanks for the double statement for emphasis. Do you work for the department of redundancy department?  (don't answer)

[USee]

7.3 yds per rush for NCC. BS on you Emma. That game wasn't nearly as close as the final score. And yes NCC rushed it on everybody but the ONLY opponent to give up anywhere close to 7 yds per carry was UWP.  If you watched it you may be able to distinguish these stats from eye test. NCC, that day, was a dominant football team.

Here's your Drive Chart Usee.
Like I said, I don't see domination.  I see NCC clearly outplayed them in the first quarter until UWP settled down. 
http://d3football.com/seasons/2014/boxscores/20140920_mo65.xml?view=drives

So you didn't see the game? And you are using stats to make your point? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? I watched it and, based on my credentials I thought they were dominant. UWP never threatened to win that game. It wasn't close. So I guess it wasn't 67-0 dominant (where UMU rushed for 6.2 yds per rush) and in that case it may depend on how you define dominant. But it certainly didn't look much different to me than the 2nd round game between those two in 2013. Incidentally, that was the last time an NCC team rushed for more than 7 yds per carry (8.5 yds per carry in that game). And no, I don't think domination is defined by yds per rush. But I do think it is defined as who wins the battle at the LOS and NCC did that convincingly.  I thought a 21 pt win was a "monkey stomp" in this room? And something twice that is a "double monkey stomp"? Maybe I misremember.

But then again, if we (you and I) were always right with our "eye test" we would be undefeated in the pickems and have the ability to make a lot of dough in Vegas. So I concede that UWP, UWO, NCC, Bethel, etc, may have different results vs each other if they played multiple times.

In the first quarter, UWP had an 8 play, 61 yard drive ending in a missed field goal.
On their next drive, again in the first quarter, they had a 15 play, 58 yard drive ending in downs. 

You can call what you want dominance.  UWW ran for 240 yards and over 5 yds per carry, but was nowhere close to dominating that game. 
I've called you out for what I feel is an exaggeration on your part of the NCC vs. UWP game.  I've put the facts on the table for all to see.  And not that it matters to you since you're so eager to prove a point with whatever amount of embellishment is needed, I did not attend the game, but I did watch a fair amount of it online.

I have also put fact out on the table for all to see. And I saw the game. I am not trying to prove any point, in fact you chose to ignore the point I was actually making to take me up on your vs my definition of dominance. So BS back to you Pal.

[USee]

So make your point about the system with a team from another conference, say North Central. They got left out and were obviously better than UWP and arguably better than Oshkosh. And plenty of WIAC fans know how they have fared in the playoffs recently.  Same point different league, more powerful argument. 

Problem is you can't really argue for UWP and not for NCC can you? Bute. You have to use the UWSP result and it gets more complicated. Which is the whole point.  How does a team dominate UWP and lost to UWSP?

Arguably better?  UWO was 2-0 against the same WIAC opponents that North Central played this season.

Hmmm. That is a quandry isn't it. So why aren't they "arguably" better? I argue they are and you argue they aren't. It isn't clear cut since. The UWO/UWP game was triple OT and the NCC v UWP game was never closer than 14 pts. But then UWSP beat NCC by 7 and UWO beat UWSP by 14. Isn't that by definition arguable?

And we aren't really arguing if NCC would beat or lose to UWO anyway? The reason they all got left out is likely because the committee couldn't decipher that mess so why can we?

More importantly you guys seemed to go right past my main point, which was in support of your original argument, in order to dissect the other part of my post. It's not really an argument at all that NCC was just as much "not selected" as UWP or UWO is it?

To me 2-0 against Platteville and Stevens Point is better than 1-1...  About as "clear cut" as it gets!!!

And to me (and apparently the committee) it wasn't very clear. No way to know if NCC or UWO were better because they didn't play each other.

[USee]

And congrats to LL for a great run and a new opportunity. I am sure the UWW administration will pick a great successor just like they did for Coach B. when they hired Lance. The games go on.

[D O.C.]

I remember when you guys were debating the replacement for Coach B. Seems like only yesterday.
Wondering how many players will follow him. 

[jaypeter]

Not sure who will replace him, but one thing's for sure...the replacement will need to have a double initial name!

Congrats to LL on the opportunity and the recognition of his coaching ability.  Have to feel for the players hearing this news in the middle of a playoff run.  It will be interesting to see how they respond.  Even with their likely desire to finish his last season with a championship, they've had some pressure taken off their shoulders.  If they win, it was the players pulling for their coach (as well as already being a heck of a team that was the favorite to win).  If they lose, it will fall more on the 'distraction' of their coach moving to DI.

May not be how it plays out in the lockerroom, but how many outside its doors will see things.

[voice]

Warhawk players need to have a "player's only" meeting today, talk out the news, get on the same page and focus on Wartburg. They will be the toughest team we have faced all year. The goal remains the same.  Pound the Rock!!

[retagent]

Those of us who back teams that have to play UWW can be happy for Coach Leipold, without lamenting his loss to that program. However, I wouldn't be giddy thinking that there will be a precipitous fall off. They still have (sorry, but it's true) the inherent advantages they have always had, and I'm sure that they will find a suitable replacement. The truth is, is that LL has not been there long enough to be considered a main cog in their success - as opposed to Frosty Westering, John Gagliardi, Larry Kehres and others who have been mainstays at other places. I predict that they will, in all likelihood, follow the path of UMU. Does Lance have a son?

[02 Warhawk]

Not sure who will replace him, but one thing's for sure...the replacement will need to have a double initial name!

Defensive coordinator seems the likely option: Brian Borland...BB!