FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[D O.C.]

WarhawkDad...great one!

[oldsju67]

Lance is pure class and one of the best FB coaches in the country at any level.  This situation is not terribly different from last season at NDSU when Craig Bohl was selected to be the new coach at Wyoming in the middle of their playoff run....that turned out ok for them with another title.

I wish I was thrilled that Lance was coming to Missoula to be the new coach at Montana, but we were too slow (and still playing) to get him here.  I do know he had a great deal of interest and the Griz would have been dominant at the FCS level with him.

Don't fret Redtooth, we all know St. Glen is on his way to Montana if Nebraska somehow doesn't hire him!!!

[emma17]

Wally, my point.  The national committee had the flexibility to put Centre in Pool B.  As you stated in your email, the Nat Com has the authority to make adjustments.  Putting TLU in Pool B meant that one of the coveted Pool C spots would not be open for competition as it was a foregone conclusion that Centre was going in.  If you remember, there was a long thread of posts discussing the very concept that Centre could go undefeated and not get in because of their weaker schedule compared to other Pool C candidates with one or two losses.  Most agree that a 10-0 team should get in despite the reservations about their schedule.  The best way, IMO, to address this issue was for the Nat Com to utilize their authority (which you agree they have) to make adjustments and put Centre in Pool B- where they wouldn't be taking a spot from some other obvious deserving team. That would drop TLU into Pool C, which is where they belonged after they failed their regular season audition, and then all the worthy teams could have competed for all the coveted Pool C spots on merit.   

If there was an egregious ranking error by one of the RACs, then yes, they can adjust.  It's a power they have, but not one they like to use (it's not a great precedent for the national committee to routinely spit all over the work of these regional advisory committees...otherwise, what's the point of the regional committees?).  TLU ahead of Centre was justifiable and didn't need to be tampered with. 

But let's say that the did change those rankings and put Centre ahead of TLU and Centre went in as the second Pool B which puts TLU first in line from the south region in Pool C.  TLU was still getting in.  Too much SOS, and (probably) a win against a RRO.  They were getting in in either case.  So the same teams make the tournament whether Centre goes in via B or via C.  Net change of zero. 

My favorite part of all of this is that none of it has any influence whatsoever on UWO.  UWO got jumped by St. Thomas in the West.  If you've got beef, it needs to be there in the West.  Not with the South's rankings.

I would like to make a motion that this discussion be concluded.  It is now becoming circular with no end in site.  There is much more going on that I think we should focus on, not to mention quarterfinal games. 

WHD

Although I don't think this motion has been voted on yet,  for the sake of this board I'll simply close by saying there is a dialogue worth having on this subject and it's not specific to UWO.
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[AO]

Lance is pure class and one of the best FB coaches in the country at any level.  This situation is not terribly different from last season at NDSU when Craig Bohl was selected to be the new coach at Wyoming in the middle of their playoff run....that turned out ok for them with another title.

I wish I was thrilled that Lance was coming to Missoula to be the new coach at Montana, but we were too slow (and still playing) to get him here.  I do know he had a great deal of interest and the Griz would have been dominant at the FCS level with him.

Bohl and the Bison also had a lot of distractions come from the fact that many recruits were choosing between NDSU and Wyoming.  I'm guessing that won't be much of an issue for Whitewater.

[Redtooth]

Lance is pure class and one of the best FB coaches in the country at any level.  This situation is not terribly different from last season at NDSU when Craig Bohl was selected to be the new coach at Wyoming in the middle of their playoff run....that turned out ok for them with another title.

I wish I was thrilled that Lance was coming to Missoula to be the new coach at Montana, but we were too slow (and still playing) to get him here.  I do know he had a great deal of interest and the Griz would have been dominant at the FCS level with him.

Don't fret Redtooth, we all know St. Glen is on his way to Montana if Nebraska somehow doesn't hire him!!!

I can assure you that will not happen.....keep him there, I would hate to have to find another team to like in FCS.  I'm surprised that lance didn't wait for Nebraska...the AD there is a good friend of his.

[emma17]

I recognize the more realistic step for Lance was Buffalo, I'm curious though if he knew about the Nebraska opening prior to making his decision.

[jknezek]

Lance is pure class and one of the best FB coaches in the country at any level.  This situation is not terribly different from last season at NDSU when Craig Bohl was selected to be the new coach at Wyoming in the middle of their playoff run....that turned out ok for them with another title.

I wish I was thrilled that Lance was coming to Missoula to be the new coach at Montana, but we were too slow (and still playing) to get him here.  I do know he had a great deal of interest and the Griz would have been dominant at the FCS level with him.

Don't fret Redtooth, we all know St. Glen is on his way to Montana if Nebraska somehow doesn't hire him!!!

I can assure you that will not happen.....keep him there, I would hate to have to find another team to like in FCS.  I'm surprised that lance didn't wait for Nebraska...the AD there is a good friend of his.

There is no way Nebraska hires a DIII coach, regardless of how celebrated. The fan base would lose their minds...

[02 Warhawk]

Lance is pure class and one of the best FB coaches in the country at any level.  This situation is not terribly different from last season at NDSU when Craig Bohl was selected to be the new coach at Wyoming in the middle of their playoff run....that turned out ok for them with another title.

I wish I was thrilled that Lance was coming to Missoula to be the new coach at Montana, but we were too slow (and still playing) to get him here.  I do know he had a great deal of interest and the Griz would have been dominant at the FCS level with him.

Don't fret Redtooth, we all know St. Glen is on his way to Montana if Nebraska somehow doesn't hire him!!!

I can assure you that will not happen.....keep him there, I would hate to have to find another team to like in FCS.  I'm surprised that lance didn't wait for Nebraska...the AD there is a good friend of his.

There is no way Nebraska hires a DIII coach, regardless of how celebrated. The fan base would lose their minds...

That'll be his next position.

[Redtooth]

Lance is pure class and one of the best FB coaches in the country at any level.  This situation is not terribly different from last season at NDSU when Craig Bohl was selected to be the new coach at Wyoming in the middle of their playoff run....that turned out ok for them with another title.

I wish I was thrilled that Lance was coming to Missoula to be the new coach at Montana, but we were too slow (and still playing) to get him here.  I do know he had a great deal of interest and the Griz would have been dominant at the FCS level with him.

Don't fret Redtooth, we all know St. Glen is on his way to Montana if Nebraska somehow doesn't hire him!!!

I can assure you that will not happen.....keep him there, I would hate to have to find another team to like in FCS.  I'm surprised that lance didn't wait for Nebraska...the AD there is a good friend of his.

There is no way Nebraska hires a DIII coach, regardless of how celebrated. The fan base would lose their minds...

That'll be his next position.

Bingo

[jknezek]

There is no way Nebraska hires a DIII coach, regardless of how celebrated. The fan base would lose their minds...

That'll be his next position.

Buffalo is a very hard assignment. If he succeeds there he will be on the shortlist for a lot of positions. The MAC East was positively putrid this year and Buffalo didn't crawl above .500.

Turner Gil got the program turned around from the bottom of FBS a few years ago, but even he couldn't get the Nebraska job at the time. And Gil had 10 years worth of ties to Nebraska. Instead a failed stint at Kansas has Gil at FCS Liberty. Gil is a very good coach, and has Liberty aiming the right direction now, but it shows how hard it can be to make it at that Power 5 level.

LL will get his chance. It will be interesting to see how he does.

[WarhawkDad]

WarhawkDad...great one!

D O.C.

Are you referring to the Kumerow post?       

[Just Bill]

I recognize the more realistic step for Lance was Buffalo, I'm curious though if he knew about the Nebraska opening prior to making his decision.

Not in a million years would Nebraska hire a D-III coach. This jump to a bottom level FBS team is virtually unprecedented as it is.

[emma17]

I recognize the more realistic step for Lance was Buffalo, I'm curious though if he knew about the Nebraska opening prior to making his decision.

Not in a million years would Nebraska hire a D-III coach. This jump to a bottom level FBS team is virtually unprecedented as it is.

Agreed.
I didn't mean to suggest Nebraska would hire Lance.  As many of you may know, the AD at Nebraska is a UWW football alum. 

Imagine the emotions Lance is going through in the decision process.  Perhaps around the same day he agrees to the Buffalo job, the opening at Nebraska is announced.  Not only is the AD a serious connection, but Lance coached in Nebraska and his wife is from Nebraska.   

Surely some part of him would have thought about the prospect.

[badgerwarhawk]

Thinking about it is about as far as it would likely have gone.  I don't see anyway in God's creation that a program like Nebraska hires a DIII coach regardless of how successfull they may have been or how qualified they may be.   

[02 Warhawk]

There is no way Nebraska hires a DIII coach, regardless of how celebrated. The fan base would lose their minds...

That'll be his next position.

Buffalo is a very hard assignment. If he succeeds there he will be on the shortlist for a lot of positions. The MAC East was positively putrid this year and Buffalo didn't crawl above .500.

Turner Gil got the program turned around from the bottom of FBS a few years ago, but even he couldn't get the Nebraska job at the time. And Gil had 10 years worth of ties to Nebraska. Instead a failed stint at Kansas has Gil at FCS Liberty. Gil is a very good coach, and has Liberty aiming the right direction now, but it shows how hard it can be to make it at that Power 5 level.

LL will get his chance. It will be interesting to see how he does.

I hope the fans in Buffalo don't confuse Lance winning championships in Whitewater with Lance building championships in Whitewater. What I mean by that is, as we already know Lance took over a program that was already built to win...it just needed someone to put them over the top. The situation is a little different in Buffalo. I'm not sure if the Bulls are built to win right away, I'm guessing they are not looking at their record last season.

So, I hope their fan base/alumni don't lose patience with him if he's not winning national championships in his first few years....because that would insane to think that. Hopefully they don't turn on him too soon if everything he touches doesn't turn to gold right away, like the ESPN piece portrays. It may take a little time for Buffalo to get to where Lance envisions.

Lance will definitely have a huge (new) challenge ahead of him building a contending team.