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dachampishere

Ohio State also runs a spread style offense. However they also put an emphasis on great offensive line play. I truly believe that you can run an offense like what Oregon does at a school like UW-Whitewater and still put an emphasis on great offensive line play and even more great defense.
We will find out soon enough who the candidates they are bringing on campus. As they are set to announce them on Friday. 

02 Warhawk

Quote from: dachampishere on January 14, 2015, 09:38:33 PM
Ohio State also runs a spread style offense. However they also put an emphasis on great offensive line play. I truly believe that you can run an offense like what Oregon does at a school like UW-Whitewater and still put an emphasis on great offensive line play and even more great defense.
We will find out soon enough who the candidates they are bringing on campus. As they are set to announce them on Friday.

It ain't broke, don't fix it.

BoBo

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on January 15, 2015, 08:44:08 AM
Quote from: dachampishere on January 14, 2015, 09:38:33 PM
Ohio State also runs a spread style offense. However they also put an emphasis on great offensive line play. I truly believe that you can run an offense like what Oregon does at a school like UW-Whitewater and still put an emphasis on great offensive line play and even more great defense.
We will find out soon enough who the candidates they are bringing on campus. As they are set to announce them on Friday.

It ain't broke, don't fix it.

Exactly!!
Most spread offenses by rule are very soft over the long haul and never win in a physicality contest...tOSU, while not a true spread offense, does include some components of a spread attack, but are clearly an exception to the rule. But, I'll repeat - a spread offense will never consistantly win anything important. The spread offenses, like the one Oregon runs, were created to help a weaker team compete with physical ones, they don't need a powerful O-line to do what they do, IMO.
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WHERE MY BRAIN GOES
FROM "YOU PROBABLY
SHOULDN'T SAY THAT," TO
"WHAT THE HELL, LET'S SEE
WHAT HAPPENS."

footballfan413

Over the holidays I spent time with a family member who played DB for NDSU several years ago and we talked about the changes coming at UWW.  He made the observation that because of our success, we may, very well, become a, "jumping off," place for coaches that aspire to the next level much like NDSU has become for several coaches.  The last two, Babich and Bohl are now in the NFL and at the University of Wyoming.  While the Warhawks have enjoyed an unusual run when it comes to coaching consistency over many, many decades, if this happens, it would be a natural evolution and a product of our success.  He said he thought it would be a good thing, and we will still continue to be great.  I am not so sure, if a coaching carousel is in our future. But then again, despite what Lance said in the beginning, it was pretty clear that he intended to use the Warhawk program as a jumping off spot so I guess we are already on that path.  Thoughts?   
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wally_wabash

Quote from: footballfan413 on January 15, 2015, 09:23:48 AM
Over the holidays I spent time with a family member who played DB for NDSU several years ago and we talked about the changes coming at UWW.  He made the observation that because of our success, we may, very well, become a, "jumping off," place for coaches that aspire to the next level much like NDSU has become for several coaches.  The last two, Babich and Bohl are now in the NFL and at the University of Wyoming.  While the Warhawks have enjoyed an unusual run when it comes to coaching consistency over many, many decades, if this happens, it would be a natural evolution and a product of our success.  He said he thought it would be a good thing, and we will still continue to be great.  I am not so sure, if a coaching carousel is in our future. But then again, despite what Lance said in the beginning, it was pretty clear that he intended to use the Warhawk program as a jumping off spot so I guess we are already on that path.  Thoughts?

Sometimes I think we can give coaches too hard a time when they say something about dream jobs and wanting to stay forever and whatever and then years down the road they do take off.  Surely sometimes coachspeak is blatantly untruthful, but sometimes I think a coach can say one thing without even having the first idea how much success they might have at a place that could open up opportunities that they never thought would have existed five or eight years prior.  Maybe 2007 Coach Leipold couldn't have even imagined being 109-6, winning six championships, and having direct-to-FBS opportunities. 
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Quote from: wally_wabash on January 15, 2015, 10:24:51 AM
Sometimes I think we can give coaches too hard a time when they say something about dream jobs and wanting to stay forever and whatever and then years down the road they do take off.  Surely sometimes coachspeak is blatantly untruthful

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emma17

Quote from: wally_wabash on January 15, 2015, 10:24:51 AM
Quote from: footballfan413 on January 15, 2015, 09:23:48 AM
Over the holidays I spent time with a family member who played DB for NDSU several years ago and we talked about the changes coming at UWW.  He made the observation that because of our success, we may, very well, become a, "jumping off," place for coaches that aspire to the next level much like NDSU has become for several coaches.  The last two, Babich and Bohl are now in the NFL and at the University of Wyoming.  While the Warhawks have enjoyed an unusual run when it comes to coaching consistency over many, many decades, if this happens, it would be a natural evolution and a product of our success.  He said he thought it would be a good thing, and we will still continue to be great.  I am not so sure, if a coaching carousel is in our future. But then again, despite what Lance said in the beginning, it was pretty clear that he intended to use the Warhawk program as a jumping off spot so I guess we are already on that path.  Thoughts?

Sometimes I think we can give coaches too hard a time when they say something about dream jobs and wanting to stay forever and whatever and then years down the road they do take off.  Surely sometimes coachspeak is blatantly untruthful, but sometimes I think a coach can say one thing without even having the first idea how much success they might have at a place that could open up opportunities that they never thought would have existed five or eight years prior.  Maybe 2007 Coach Leipold couldn't have even imagined being 109-6, winning six championships, and having direct-to-FBS opportunities.

I agree Wally- things change. Much like the player or coach that retires (for various reasons) and then comes back later. Media and fans oftentimes criticize those that do that.
The reality is that player or coach that retired may very well have felt convinced at the time of their decision that they were through- for whatever reasons they gave. But perspective changes once they experience retirement- and some come back. I'm fine w that.

As for UWW being a jumping off point- I can see the possibility given the fertile recruiting ground. A coach w upper division aspirations must learn to recruit and ultimately prove to the upper levels they can succeed in recruiting.  UWW offers that opportunity.
As long as the program is above board and strives for and typically achieves excellence, I don't think a coaching carousel will concern me.

emma17

Quote from: dachampishere on January 14, 2015, 09:38:33 PM
Ohio State also runs a spread style offense. However they also put an emphasis on great offensive line play. I truly believe that you can run an offense like what Oregon does at a school like UW-Whitewater and still put an emphasis on great offensive line play and even more great defense.
We will find out soon enough who the candidates they are bringing on campus. As they are set to announce them on Friday.

I'm looking forward to learning about the candidates.
As for the Spread, sure UWW can run it. They actually used some read stuff this past season.
The concern I have w a full time spread team is twofold.
-That type of offense reduces the dominance mojo. Beating an opponent physically has tremendous positive value to an entire team. 
-Too many moving parts. Although Oregon was good at ball protection- I think of how many fumbles occur during the read. It happened to Wartburg vs UWW. It happened to Ohio State. It happens all the time. I have to believe some degree of focus is lost when there are too many options.
Huddling is a good thing every now and then too.

dachampishere

In defense of coach Leipold and what he said about UWW being his dream job. At the time No one knew how successful he would be. I definitely did not think that he would go 109-6 in eight seasons. He ultimately had a lot of success and when you have success and do well in the interview process you will get other jobs. Whitewater has had successful assistant coaches in the past and despite interviewing for numerous head jobs basically each and every year they never got one, until after they left UWW.
Whitewater is a unique place where they have only had three head coaches over the last 50 some years. I have friends who played at Augustana in the early 80's when they won four in a row and they brag about that. I simply ask them what has Augustana done
since. The answer in terms of national championships is Nothing. When Lance took over WW had already been to two stagg bowls, ance's job was to take them to the next level which ended up being 6 national titles in 8 years which no one can honestly say they thought
would ever happen.

02 Warhawk

#37824
Also, it would be foolish to think the next regime will come in with the same exact coaching philosophy and game planning as Lance did. I'm sure whoever they hire will take their winning strategy at their previous position, and apply it here. They want to stick with what worked for them.

I just hope the next coach doesn't venture too far from what got Whitewater to the top.

footballfan413

To be clear, my comment was meant to focus on the possibility of a future revolving door when it comes to staffing, something we have had very little of until 06.  I just threw in the comment about Lance as a last minute thought.  Wasn't meant to be critical of his or any of the staff's moving on after such incredible success.   But to Wally's point, drawing the conclusion that he might have considered UWW a jumping off point from the start wasn't hard to come by when it was leaked that he had thrown his hat into the ring for head coaching jobs elsewhere pretty quickly, within a season or two if I am remembering right, of saying, "I have come home and I want to retire a Warhawk," or words to that affect.   ;) ;D
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"Three things you don't want to be in football, slow, small and friendly!"  John Madden

"You can learn more character on the two-yard line than anywhere else in
life." Paul Dietzel / LSU

BoBo

#37826
Sounds like Whitewater people are getting a itch for this thing to take place...I know I am.  Maybe the most anticipated coaching change... nationally...since...LL was selected.
I'VE REACHED THAT AGE
WHERE MY BRAIN GOES
FROM "YOU PROBABLY
SHOULDN'T SAY THAT," TO
"WHAT THE HELL, LET'S SEE
WHAT HAPPENS."

emma17

Change in chancellor
Change in head coach and 4 staff members
= anxiety for me.

02 Warhawk

Quote from: emma17 on January 15, 2015, 07:50:01 PM
Change in chancellor
Change in head coach and 4 staff members
= anxiety for me.

And 2014 was the first year under our new AD.

bleedpurple

Finalists for UW-W Head Coach job:

Rob Erickson UW-P Defensive Coordinator
Dean Paul  Ohio Northern Head Coach
Dave Taynor  Urbana Head Coach (D-II)
Erik Raeburn Wabash Head Coach
Kevin Bullis UW-W Interim Head Coach