FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[badgerwarhawk]

I realize as a Bears fan, I have ZERO bragging rights....but even with that being said you couldn't smack the smile off my face today if you tried today.

I'm not going to ding your karma '02 because karma is stupid but I will say....SCREW YOU '02!

Send me an email when the Bears become relevant again.

[SaintsFAN]

Dean Paul is a tremendous coach and leader of men. 

Happy to see his name on the list.

[AO]

I realize as a Bears fan, I have ZERO bragging rights....but even with that being said you couldn't smack the smile off my face today if you tried today.

I can't remember a greater weekend for Minnesota sports.

[02 Warhawk]

I realize as a Bears fan, I have ZERO bragging rights....but even with that being said you couldn't smack the smile off my face today if you tried today.

I'm not going to ding your karma '02 because karma is stupid but I will say....SCREW YOU '02!

Send me an email when the Bears become relevant again.

Fair enough....There hasn't been much for me to be happy about this NFL season. In fact, this might be the worst in my memory as a Bears fan (especially that I'm living in WI).  I needed yesterday. 

[emma17]

Let me clarify my point on LL and QB's. 413 you're absolutely right that I used the term "brought in" and that's what you and another poster decided to address. That was the wrong phraseology. Hopefully you'll acknowledge that the point I was making in a prior post was the issue of development of the QB. In Wabash's case, it's possible they ended up in a 2 platoon model because somewhere along the line there was a problem w QB development and this they didn't have one guy.

IMO LL has played a significant role in the development process of all UWW championship QB's.
IMO LL has played a significant role in the transfer of every player to UWW since he's been here, including Danny Jones.

Please don't put words in my mouth and suggest that I don't give players and coaches credit- that's silly. This thread was about who we think would be a good head coach and why. Thus my message focused on the head coach.

You say all LL had to do was pick up the phone for Danny. Really?  LL was a brand new head coach walking into a program that just made the Stagg Bowl 2 consecutive years w several high quality  players returning. LL had to risk upsetting a team full of guys by bringing in this guy from California.
LL also had to make an impression on Danny to convince him UWW was the right place to be.
LL immediately showed the team and the fans that he was in control and he believed in himself and his plan.
It may seem all so simple, but in fact it's all the little things that LL does that has brought the team from Silver to Gold.

[wildcat11]

I realize as a Bears fan, I have ZERO bragging rights....but even with that being said you couldn't smack the smile off my face today if you tried today.

I'm not going to ding your karma '02 because karma is stupid but I will say....SCREW YOU '02!

Send me an email when the Bears become relevant again.

Fair enough....There hasn't been much for me to be happy about this NFL season. In fact, this might be the worst in my memory as a Bears fan (especially that I'm living in WI).  I needed yesterday. 

As a Niner fan living in Seahawk territory, yesterday was a terrible situation for me in watching the Packers just undo themselves. Now I have to listen to all the bandwagon Seahawk fans (most are also new Oregon Duck fans) go on and on about the Seahawks this and that and how Russel Fake Wilson is God's gift to football.

Tom Brady...you're my only hope!

[badgerwarhawk]

Not taking anything away from any other coach but if you want to credit Jeff Donovan's developement the place to start is Jim Zambrowski. 

[02 Warhawk]

Not taking anything away from any other coach but if you want to credit Jeff Donovan's developement the place to start is Jim Zambrowski.

Who was also a Mount Union guy....which is why I have no issues with UWW bringing in a guy with a UMU background.

[footballfan413]

Let me clarify my point on LL and QB's. 413 you're absolutely right that I used the term "brought in" and that's what you and another poster decided to address. That was the wrong phraseology. Hopefully you'll acknowledge that the point I was making in a prior post was the issue of development of the QB. In Wabash's case, it's possible they ended up in a 2 platoon model because somewhere along the line there was a problem w QB development and this they didn't have one guy.

IMO LL has played a significant role in the development process of all UWW championship QB's.
IMO LL has played a significant role in the transfer of every player to UWW since he's been here, including Danny Jones.

Please don't put words in my mouth and suggest that I don't give players and coaches credit- that's silly. This thread was about who we think would be a good head coach and why. Thus my message focused on the head coach.

You say all LL had to do was pick up the phone for Danny. Really?  LL was a brand new head coach walking into a program that just made the Stagg Bowl 2 consecutive years w several high quality  players returning. LL had to risk upsetting a team full of guys by bringing in this guy from California.
LL also had to make an impression on Danny to convince him UWW was the right place to be.
LL immediately showed the team and the fans that he was in control and he believed in himself and his plan.
It may seem all so simple, but in fact it's all the little things that LL does that has brought the team from Silver to Gold.

OK, Emma, you think you know more about how it went down with Danny than you think I know.  Too bad we didn't have this convo before I had dinner with Danny and his family before the holidays?   I could have asked him for clarification on just how much LL contributed to his decision.  I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.  Back to the coaching search.  God knows how we are going to replace the guy. He seems to have been everywhere and done everything.     

[dachampishere]

I agree with BW. The quarterback development started with Jim Zebrowski who is a Mount Union guy. Danny Jones was sort of a one year wonder, as I recall he saw UWW on ESPN and even called coach Leipold and said I want to win a national championship. However Donovan got to work with Coach Z for a number of years and the result was great for UW-Whitewater and Donovan both.

[emma17]

I agree with BW. The quarterback development started with Jim Zebrowski who is a Mount Union guy. Danny Jones was sort of a one year wonder, as I recall he saw UWW on ESPN and even called coach Leipold and said I want to win a national championship. However Donovan got to work with Coach Z for a number of years and the result was great for UW-Whitewater and Donovan both.

I agree w BW too, Zebrowski was the QB coach and O coordinator and did a great job w Jeff and the whole offensive plan- putting Jeff in position to succeed.
And Zebrowski was brought in by LL.  And Z was allowed to do his thing by LL.
Coach Borland was already there, but he knows the difference LL made.

Every decision and even every apparent non decision (ie Borland being the DC long before LL arrived), flows from the top.

This isn't a mutually exclusive deal here. Giving credit to one doesn't somehow eliminate credit to others. And if the subject matter was OC's or QB coaches there would still be an understanding that credit is team-wide.

[footballfan413]

Danny was a star, a three year starter and All-Conference player in California when he decided to leave it all, roll the dice and follow his dream to lead a team to a national championship.  It was an, incredible brave and risky choice, IMHO.   The only wonder about Danny is how a young man had the guts and confidence to leave his family, make such a huge life change, move halfway across the country, risk his very successful football career to help UWW win their first national championship!   BTW, his OC was also, Jim Zembroski, who is the quarterbacks coach at U of M and before that, NIU.   

[WarhawkDad]

I think Raeburn ran the QB platoon, because the talent he had dictated it. Same with the run option. Recruiting to a program like Wabash is different than a big state school. I would be very surprised to see much of a philosophical change at UWW if Raeburn gets the job. The NC pretty much prove you win in the trenches. Why change a good thing.
Its not like Raeburn will suddenly say, "to heck with these big linemen, I am going to recruit small and fast."

I'll buy part of that but not all. Something went wrong somewhere along the lines of the QB development for them to end up w 2 platoon.  Spread offense wasn't the only option for Wabash.

Even Leipold couldn't come up with a quality quarterback every year he was at Whitewater, emma.

That's right, and he acknowledged the error in his ways when he said one of the reasons for the failure of the 2012 squad was the coaching failure to develop enough underclassman.  To his credit, what he didn't do is 2 platoon the QB position. 
And also to his credit, UWW has won 6 championships with 5 QB's- all brought in by LL.

As mentioned before, Jeff was not brought in by LL nor was Danny Jones.  Danny brought himself in, the result of watching the Hawks on ESPN for two years and knowing we graduated Jacobs.   Lance gets credit for answering the phone, I guess,  but Danny fell into his lap.   

The same goes for Matt Blanchard.

The fact that Jeff was recruited by Brez doesn't diminish the point about LL and how he's handled QB's. You may feel LL deserves no credit for Danny Jones, but I see it entirely different. The same for Blanchard. And the same for every other good/great player that decided to transfer to UWW since LL has been there. LL gets much of that credit whether it sits well with you or not.

I agree with Emma on this.   The key to me is that transfer players fall into UWW's lap all the time and in fact there have been several that have failed because they could not keep up with the rigors of the UWW practice.    The key is the development those players get once they get here.   I am a huge Matt Blanchard fan, but the Matt that was here in 2009 was not nearly the Matt that we saw until hurt in 2010 and in 2011.  Why is that, it is the Spring ball, and the summer individual workouts.   Not to mention that extra 5 games per year.   LL gets the credit for being smart enough to nurture those who fall into UWW's lap and then develop them. 

[emma17]

Danny was a star, a three year starter and All-Conference player in California when he decided to leave it all, roll the dice and follow his dream to lead a team to a national championship.  It was an, incredible brave and risky choice, IMHO.   The only wonder about Danny is how a young man had the guts and confidence to leave his family, make such a huge life change, move halfway across the country, risk his very successful football career to help UWW win their first national championship!   BTW, his OC was also, Jim Zembroski, who is the quarterbacks coach at U of M and before that, NIU.   

I'm a huge Danny fan. And if Danny had his hat in the ring for HC I'd be all for his inclusion in the discussion.
Danny's abilities as well as his zeal to play for a potential champion was recognized by LL and he flourished in an offensive system coordinated by a guy with talent that was also recognized by LL.
LL said yes to both thankfully.

[Craft_Beermeister]

Finalists for UW-W Head Coach job:

Rob Erickson UW-P Defensive Coordinator
Dean Paul  Ohio Northern Head Coach
Dave Taynor  Urbana Head Coach (D-II)
Erik Raeburn Wabash Head Coach
Kevin Bullis UW-W Interim Head Coach

It took a month to come out, but I told you there would be some interesting stuff to talk about. 

There are many trees in the forest and I found it very interesting in regards to one of the first to be sought out.