FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[02 Warhawk]

I think Raeburn ran the QB platoon, because the talent he had dictated it. Same with the run option. Recruiting to a program like Wabash is different than a big state school. I would be very surprised to see much of a philosophical change at UWW if Raeburn gets the job. The NC pretty much prove you win in the trenches. Why change a good thing.
Its not like Raeburn will suddenly say, "to heck with these big linemen, I am going to recruit small and fast."

I'll buy part of that but not all. Something went wrong somewhere along the lines of the QB development for them to end up w 2 platoon.  Spread offense wasn't the only option for Wabash.

Even Leipold couldn't come up with a quality quarterback every year he was at Whitewater, emma.

That's right, and he acknowledged the error in his ways when he said one of the reasons for the failure of the 2012 squad was the coaching failure to develop enough underclassman.  To his credit, what he didn't do is 2 platoon the QB position. 
And also to his credit, UWW has won 6 championships with 5 QB's- all brought in by LL.

As mentioned before, Jeff was not brought in by LL nor was Danny Jones.  Danny brought himself in, the result of watching the Hawks on ESPN for two years and knowing we graduated Jacobs.   Lance gets credit for answering the phone, I guess,  but Danny fell into his lap.   

The same goes for Matt Blanchard.

The fact that Jeff was recruited by Brez doesn't diminish the point about LL and how he's handled QB's. You may feel LL deserves no credit for Danny Jones, but I see it entirely different. The same for Blanchard. And the same for every other good/great player that decided to transfer to UWW since LL has been there. LL gets much of that credit whether it sits well with you or not.

I agree with Emma on this.   The key to me is that transfer players fall into UWW's lap all the time and in fact there have been several that have failed because they could not keep up with the rigors of the UWW practice.    The key is the development those players get once they get here.   I am a huge Matt Blanchard fan, but the Matt that was here in 2009 was not nearly the Matt that we saw until hurt in 2010 and in 2011.  Why is that, it is the Spring ball, and the summer individual workouts.   Not to mention that extra 5 games per year.   LL gets the credit for being smart enough to nurture those who fall into UWW's lap and then develop them.

Great point. The same exact can be said on Kumerow. Even though he transferred here from U of I, he wasn't that impressive his first season in 2012. After getting time to develop under LL and staff, he turned into one of the best WR UWW ever had.

[Jack Parkman]

I could be wrong but I believe Jones left CA after a coaching change at Cal Lu.  Again, I could be wrong as I don't know the kid, but I believe that might have had at least a little to do with it.

[02 Warhawk]

I could be wrong but I believe Jones left CA after a coaching change at Cal Lu.  Again, I could be wrong as I don't know the kid, but I believe that might have had at least a little to do with it.

I believe you're right...I remember reading that back in 2007.

[footballfan413]

Wow, I already said that he captained the ship beautifully.  Yes, he made the hires and some damn good ones!   But, giving him credit for all the hard work of his assistants, SPRING BALL, individual summer workouts and 5 extra games a season.??   WD, you became a part of the program only after LL was hired.   I got news for you.  We had spring ball, (as soon as the NCAA allowed them in D-3,)  before LL came,  we had a program for summer, individual workouts before LL came,  we even had a Strength and Conditioning coach before LL came and we had two seasons of 5 extra games before LL came.      Heck we even put a WR in the NFL before LL came!!!   Seriously, Guys!!    He didn't invent the wheel.   

And yes, there was a coaching change at Cal Lu, and that did contribute to his choice about leaving to chase his dream.  In fact, that coach leaving had a hell of a lot more to do with the transfer than the coach he was coming too, I guarantee it. 

[emma17]

Wow, I already said that he captained the ship beautifully.  Yes, he made the hires and some damn good ones!   But, giving him credit for all the hard work of his assistants, SPRING BALL, individual summer workouts and 5 extra games a season.??   WD, you became a part of the program only after LL was hired.   I got news for you.  We had spring ball before LL came,  we had a program for summer, individual workouts before LL came,  we even had a Strength and Conditioning coach before LL came and we had two seasons of 5 extra games before LL came.      Heck we even put a WR in the NFL before LL came!!!   Seriously, Guys!!    He didn't invent the wheel.   

And yes, there was a coaching change at Cal Lu, and that did contribute to his choice about leaving and going for his dream.  In fact, that coach leaving had a hell of a lot more to do with the transfer than the coach he was coming too, I guarantee it.

413 you've got me a bit worried here as I feel you're reading more into some posts than what the intent is (reminds me of some guy on another board).
Please give people the benefit of the doubt. I know that WD doesn't think LL invented the spring practice and strength coach stuff and you should know that too.
I know you know Danny personally and we all know you were intimately familiar with the program while AJ played and afterward too.
My point, and I believe WD's point is that LL brought in a different degree of detail to a model of operation. He's like the B A S F Commercial, he didn't make the stuff, he made the stuff better.
That's a main part of what every HC has to do. They aren't necessarily inventing new stuff- they are making the existing stuff better. LL does it better than most because of his extreme attention to detail.
This dialogue should only be about the HC- it's not about discrediting the players and coaches that came before LL.
In LL's system- the players and coaches flourished and achieved more as a team than ever before.

[WarhawkDad]

I guess it is my turn to chime in on the candidates for Head coach at UWW.  First let me say that Bullis is my choice for head coach for many of the same reasons already discussed  by UWW fans.

But, after looking at the list and taking time to really think about it, from purely a paper standpoint, my top two are also Raeburn and Bullis.  With that said, I do not think 02's idea is nearly as far fetched as some might think.   

Lance took the defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator and o-line coach with him.   Bullis has been a coordinator in the past.   UWW has no depth at coach on the offensive side.  If I was the Athletic Director, pending the interviews and assuming no-one falls on their face, it would not surprise me to see Raeburn be hired for head coach and have Bullis become Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator.   That provides both continuity and an experienced offensive coach.    One thing the Wabash and UWW have in common is strong defense and I think Raeburn would appreciate what Bullis brings to the table.

I would hope that Raeburn would maintain the current offensive style of the Warhawks and not go with the read-option.   

Only time will tell.

WarhawkDad

[WarhawkDad]

Wow, I already said that he captained the ship beautifully.  Yes, he made the hires and some damn good ones!   But, giving him credit for all the hard work of his assistants, SPRING BALL, individual summer workouts and 5 extra games a season.??   WD, you became a part of the program only after LL was hired.   I got news for you.  We had spring ball before LL came,  we had a program for summer, individual workouts before LL came,  we even had a Strength and Conditioning coach before LL came and we had two seasons of 5 extra games before LL came.      Heck we even put a WR in the NFL before LL came!!!   Seriously, Guys!!    He didn't invent the wheel.   

And yes, there was a coaching change at Cal Lu, and that did contribute to his choice about leaving and going for his dream.  In fact, that coach leaving had a hell of a lot more to do with the transfer than the coach he was coming too, I guarantee it.

413 you've got me a bit worried here as I feel you're reading more into some posts than what the intent is (reminds me of some guy on another board).
Please give people the benefit of the doubt. I know that WD doesn't think LL invented the spring practice and strength coach stuff and you should know that too.
I know you know Danny personally and we all know you were intimately familiar with the program while AJ played and afterward too.
My point, and I believe WD's point is that LL brought in a different degree of detail to a model of operation. He's like the B A S F Commercial, he didn't make the stuff, he made the stuff better.
That's a main part of what every HC has to do. They aren't necessarily inventing new stuff- they are making the existing stuff better. LL does it better than most because of his extreme attention to detail.
This dialogue should only be about the HC- it's not about discrediting the players and coaches that came before LL.
In LL's system- the players and coaches flourished and achieved more as a team than ever before.

Emma hit the nail right on the head. The writing in red is what I am talking about and additionally  I am talking about the converse of what happens if a head coach does not do those things.   LL did do those things and did them right.  The best compliment you can give someone in a leadership position is that they have the vision, are able to articulate that vision and that they delegate the responsibility to implement to those who are the experts (coordinators) in that area and hold them accountable through attention to detail.    The biggest negative I ever heard about Lance is that he delegated too much.  To me that is a huge compliment and his coordinators and assistants thrived under that system.   

All my comments have to do with attributes that I think LL had that made him successful, not that Brez or any other coach did not have those attributes and what I hope our next head coach will have as attributes.

WarhawkDad

[NewHawk]

Bullis for HC.  I like his philosophy as a coach and he is a GREAT recruiter.  I believe he will stay with what we all know is a winning formula.  I have tried to garner as much information about the other candidates as possible and I wish I lived closer to UWW so I could drop by some of the open forums they are having but I know what Bullis brings to the table.  Wish I could be more poetic and wise...but there it is.

[oshfb]

Anyone watch Kumerow in the all-star game Saturday? How did he do?

[Jack Parkman]

And yes, there was a coaching change at Cal Lu, and that did contribute to his choice about leaving to chase his dream.  In fact, that coach leaving had a hell of a lot more to do with the transfer than the coach he was coming too, I guarantee it.

That's not surprising as Squires is/was a players coach.  Good guy and obviously a great choice by Jones!

[footballfan413]

Wow, I already said that he captained the ship beautifully.  Yes, he made the hires and some damn good ones!   But, giving him credit for all the hard work of his assistants, SPRING BALL, individual summer workouts and 5 extra games a season.??   WD, you became a part of the program only after LL was hired.   I got news for you.  We had spring ball before LL came,  we had a program for summer, individual workouts before LL came,  we even had a Strength and Conditioning coach before LL came and we had two seasons of 5 extra games before LL came.      Heck we even put a WR in the NFL before LL came!!!   Seriously, Guys!!    He didn't invent the wheel.   

And yes, there was a coaching change at Cal Lu, and that did contribute to his choice about leaving and going for his dream.  In fact, that coach leaving had a hell of a lot more to do with the transfer than the coach he was coming too, I guarantee it.

413 you've got me a bit worried here as I feel you're reading more into some posts than what the intent is (reminds me of some guy on another board).
Please give people the benefit of the doubt. I know that WD doesn't think LL invented the spring practice and strength coach stuff and you should know that too.
I know you know Danny personally and we all know you were intimately familiar with the program while AJ played and afterward too.
My point, and I believe WD's point is that LL brought in a different degree of detail to a model of operation. He's like the B A S F Commercial, he didn't make the stuff, he made the stuff better.
That's a main part of what every HC has to do. They aren't necessarily inventing new stuff- they are making the existing stuff better. LL does it better than most because of his extreme attention to detail.
This dialogue should only be about the HC- it's not about discrediting the players and coaches that came before LL.
In LL's system- the players and coaches flourished and achieved more as a team than ever before.

Alright, I love you guys and I agree, I can get a wee bit defensive  at times but this whole discussion, when I chimed in, was simply to state and clarify, with some historical perspective, that LL did not, " bring in all 5 QB's that we won 6 championships with."  That may not have been what you meant but it is what you said. I received immediate blowback and was met with responses that seemed to indicate that he gets, "the majority of credit," regarding all 5. We have a difference of opinion on that point.  That's all.    It has spun out of control, speaking of reading more into posts than intended and giving people the benefit of the doubt,  that I am taking away from the incredible job he has done as the HC of the Warhawks.  I am not, never was, and I certainly never mentioned any previous coaching staffs or players before his watch., (only that Jeff was already in the system and the system was pretty good before,) I only referred to HIS coaching staff and how he had a lot of help along the way.  It seemed like you, Emma, were giving him all the credit, and it appears like you think I was not giving him any.  Couldn't be further from the truth. The ironic thing is, I bet you LL would be agreeing more with me than you.  He has always deflected credit to his staff and players.  But of course, it is his system, he has been a marvelous head coach.     

You make great points about his great attention to detail and his refining and elevating an already elite program.   We can both agree on that, for sure.   

[Pat Coleman]

And all my point was to shine a light on the 2012 quarterback situation and note that even the best coaches sometimes don't have one star quarterback they can turn to. So to call out Wabash for this year's quarterback situation is a red herring, in my mind.

[emma17]

And all my point was to shine a light on the 2012 quarterback situation and note that even the best coaches sometimes don't have one star quarterback they can turn to. So to call out Wabash for this year's quarterback situation is a red herring, in my mind.

You and your red herrings. I don't like rotating QB's by series- it's my opinion.

It's one thing for a coach to lack confidence/have uncertainty about the abilities of a couple QB's and therefore try them out in game situations. It's another thing to rotate them by series for all or part of a season.

Red Herring- give me a break.

[NewHawk]

Anyone watch Kumerow in the all-star game Saturday? How did he do?

Unfortunately  he didn't get many chances to catch the ball. The QB was constantly under pressure. At the end of the game he had a good catch under college rules, unfortunately they were playing NFL rules and he only had one foot in bounds. The QB also made a bad throw earlier in the game to him that should have been picked off.  He got a good amount of playing time, just no chance to catch a ball

[KitchenSink]

Anyone watch Kumerow in the all-star game Saturday? How did he do?

Unfortunately  he didn't get many chances to catch the ball. The QB was constantly under pressure. At the end of the game he had a good catch under college rules, unfortunately they were playing NFL rules and he only had one foot in bounds. The QB also made a bad throw earlier in the game to him that should have been picked off.  He got a good amount of playing time, just no chance to catch a ball

The QB play on Kumerow's team was lousy.  Actually, so was the line play, and the play calling was vanilla.  Incredibly dull.