FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[bleedpurple]

Emma,

Shame on you maintaining your view when Wally has disagreed with you.  That is very politically incorrect of you on these boards.  Haven't you learned how it works?

[OzJohnnie]

Emma,

Shame on you maintaining your view when Wally has disagreed with you.  That is very politically incorrect of you on these boards.  Haven't you learned how it works?

Yes, I agree.  Obstinance is much more admirable than reason.

(I predict we're no more than three posts away from the realization of Godwin's Law.)

[bleedpurple]

Emma,

Shame on you maintaining your view when Wally has disagreed with you.  That is very politically incorrect of you on these boards.  Haven't you learned how it works?

Yes, I agree.  Obstinance is much more admirable than reason.

(I predict we're no more than three posts away from the realization of Godwin's Law.)

So holding to your view when Wally has spoken is obstinate now? My goodness, you guys are like Hitler around here! 

[emma17]

Bleed,
Now that you've mentioned Hitler am I obligated to end the discussion?

Who am I kidding, I'm too obstinate to end the discussion.

I am interested in the results of a vote, but I'd like there to be more clarity on exactly what the positions are.

People like Oz and Wally use tactics to create misrepresentations of viewpoints, such as Oz comparing my position to the cliché that lightening never strikes the same tree twice, or Wally's endless stream of misrepresentations. 

If you're going to vote, my position is this.
I believe there are many high quality coaches with D1 aspirations, from various divisions, that made the decision not to apply for the UWW job because they don't see it as a good stepping off opportunity.

 

[ExTartanPlayer]

I believe there are many high quality coaches with D1 aspirations, from various divisions, that made the decision not to apply for the UWW job because they don't see it as a good stepping off opportunity.

I will re-pose my question to you, then.  Give us a few examples of guys you think might have fit this profile.  I really, genuinely want to know who you think these guys with D1 aspirations that chose not to apply for the UWW job are.  Vince Kehres?  Glenn Caruso? 

Let's get one other thing straight: we probably shouldn't count guys that already have FCS or D2 head coaching jobs because they're already closer to D1 head coaching than the UWW position is.  So I want some specific examples of FCS/D2 assistants, or D3 coaches of any kind, with semi-realistic D1 aspirations that chose not to apply for the UWW job because they don't see it as a good stepping off opportunity.  Preferably guys that would have drawn more than a passing glance, too.  As I said earlier, I'm sure the second-year defensive coordinator at (Generic 4-6 Division III Program) wants to go D1, but surely he's not a realistic finalist for the UWW job.

I know you aren't in their heads and you don't know them personally and all that.  I'm not going to call the guys and ask about their reasoning.  I just want to know who you think they are.

[Hasbeen Hawk]

I am new to this.  I have read this seemingly endless stream of blogs.  I want to preface my comments by saying that I played for three years for the late, great Forrest Perkins, and another 2 for the great Bob Berezowitz.  I have remained active with the program since the early 80's - booster clubs, attending practices, as well as visiting the football office a couple times a week.  LL got the Hawk job in 07 for 2 reasons:  1.  He was far and away the best coach available, and 2. The other candidate was despised by the entire administration, coaches included.  Had the other candidate gotten that job in 07, you would have seen skid marks from Brian Borland's vehicle leaving Perkins Stadium.  LL got him to stay.  That's right - the BEST defensive coordinator in DIII would have been coaching somewhere else!!! 
So then LL has to fill the OC vacancy.  Who does he get?  Jim Zebrowski.  That's right - he talked a successful head coach at Lakeland College to come to WW and take a subordinate position.  His staffs have been picked apart since he arrived here, and he continues to replace quality with quality.  Andy Kotelnicki is an offensive genius!!!!  They all belong at DI. 
Let's talk QB's.  6 titles, 5 different QB's.  Danny Jones sent out his hi-lite tape to all the playoff teams from the 06 season.  LL called him within 15 minutes of Danny sending it out!!!!  15 minutes!!!! Why, you ask?  Because even though he had not yet coached a DIII game, LL was far and away the best coach in the country.  He is meticulous.  No stone goes unturned.  It was LL who invited Danny and his dad here for a visit.  He sold the program to the Jones'.  No one else.  End of story!!!  Jeff Donavan was here to play baseball.  Football was secondary.  It was LL who talked Jeff into dropping baseball for a year, get in the weight room, and be a team leader.  (Believe me when I say the head baseball coach was pissed) The result?  The most gifted talented QB to ever play here.  Period!!!  Matt Blanchard transfers here.  You don't think LL had a hand in that?  Lee Brecke transfers here from Lacrosse.  Matt Behrendt.  Did he recruit them all?  No.  Was he a major reason for their success?  You know it!!!  He was an all-conference QB himself for God's sake!!
I am fortunate enough to be on one of the screening committees to find the next head coach.  During Dean Paul's meeting, he answered one of the questions by saying "I learned a long time ago that you will not please everyone in this business."  I replied, "I hear you Dean.  There are still morons who follow this program that think A.D. Paul Plinske made the wrong choice when he hired LL in 2007!!!!"  Staggering!!!  109-6.  6 titles.  6 National Coach of the year awards.  Yeah - he was the wrong pick!!!

[ExTartanPlayer]

Glad to have you, Hasbeen Hawk.

Personal introduction aside, and we certainly appreciate the background info: I have to say that I'm not sure what your entire rant there is about.  I think everyone here knows that LL was, uh, pretty good to say the least.  I haven't seen anybody here say otherwise.  You're really ranting against a position that no one (at least in the present discussion) has taken.  I am admittedly curious to know who could possibly argue that the AD made the wrong choice in hiring LL, but my guess is that no one actually believes that.

Topics that are certainly being debated at the moment are 1) who the next UWW coach will be, 2) who the best choice for the next UWW coach is, and 3) whether some quality potential candidates for the UWW job chose not to apply owing to the high expectations and/or the difficulty of going upwards from UWW in the future.  If you have thoughts on any of those topics - and I'm sure you do have some insight, although you may reasonably choose not to share any "insider info" - I am certain they would be welcomed to the discussion.

[gbpuckfan]

AP story on the UWW transition:

http://fox11online.com/2015/01/28/uw-whitewater-still-looking-for-new-football-coach/

[02 Warhawk]

I am new to this.  I have read this seemingly endless stream of blogs.  I want to preface my comments by saying that I played for three years for the late, great Forrest Perkins, and another 2 for the great Bob Berezowitz.  I have remained active with the program since the early 80's - booster clubs, attending practices, as well as visiting the football office a couple times a week.  LL got the Hawk job in 07 for 2 reasons:  1.  He was far and away the best coach available, and 2. The other candidate was despised by the entire administration, coaches included.  Had the other candidate gotten that job in 07, you would have seen skid marks from Brian Borland's vehicle leaving Perkins Stadium.  LL got him to stay.  That's right - the BEST defensive coordinator in DIII would have been coaching somewhere else!!! 
So then LL has to fill the OC vacancy.  Who does he get?  Jim Zebrowski.  That's right - he talked a successful head coach at Lakeland College to come to WW and take a subordinate position.  His staffs have been picked apart since he arrived here, and he continues to replace quality with quality.  Andy Kotelnicki is an offensive genius!!!!  They all belong at DI. 
Let's talk QB's.  6 titles, 5 different QB's.  Danny Jones sent out his hi-lite tape to all the playoff teams from the 06 season.  LL called him within 15 minutes of Danny sending it out!!!!  15 minutes!!!! Why, you ask?  Because even though he had not yet coached a DIII game, LL was far and away the best coach in the country.  He is meticulous.  No stone goes unturned.  It was LL who invited Danny and his dad here for a visit.  He sold the program to the Jones'.  No one else.  End of story!!!  Jeff Donavan was here to play baseball.  Football was secondary.  It was LL who talked Jeff into dropping baseball for a year, get in the weight room, and be a team leader.  (Believe me when I say the head baseball coach was pissed) The result?  The most gifted talented QB to ever play here.  Period!!!  Matt Blanchard transfers here.  You don't think LL had a hand in that?  Lee Brecke transfers here from Lacrosse.  Matt Behrendt.  Did he recruit them all?  No.  Was he a major reason for their success?  You know it!!!  He was an all-conference QB himself for God's sake!!
I am fortunate enough to be on one of the screening committees to find the next head coach.  During Dean Paul's meeting, he answered one of the questions by saying "I learned a long time ago that you will not please everyone in this business."  I replied, "I hear you Dean.  There are still morons who follow this program that think A.D. Paul Plinske made the wrong choice when he hired LL in 2007!!!!"  Staggering!!!  109-6.  6 titles.  6 National Coach of the year awards.  Yeah - he was the wrong pick!!!

+K

Helluva first post. Very well said...thanks for the insider insight!

[emma17]

Glad to have you, Hasbeen Hawk.

Personal introduction aside, and we certainly appreciate the background info: I have to say that I'm not sure what your entire rant there is about.  I think everyone here knows that LL was, uh, pretty good to say the least.  I haven't seen anybody here say otherwise.  You're really ranting against a position that no one (at least in the present discussion) has taken.  I am admittedly curious to know who could possibly argue that the AD made the wrong choice in hiring LL, but my guess is that no one actually believes that.

Topics that are certainly being debated at the moment are 1) who the next UWW coach will be, 2) who the best choice for the next UWW coach is, and 3) whether some quality potential candidates for the UWW job chose not to apply owing to the high expectations and/or the difficulty of going upwards from UWW in the future.  If you have thoughts on any of those topics - and I'm sure you do have some insight, although you may reasonably choose not to share any "insider info" - I am certain they would be welcomed to the discussion.

Ex, I want to say thanks for fairly stating my opinion in your 3rd point. 

I found this post interesting in many ways.  I understand why you question the subject of the rant as it may seem the timing isn't in sync with the current topic.
From my perspective though, it does tie in. 
There was a discussion/debate a couple pages back regarding LL's role in some of the QB recruits that won championships here.  No surprise I was involved on one side of that debate.  I feel (it's my opinion) that discussion left some residue on LL's time here.  Not that anybody denied he deserved great credit, but there were a few "qualifiers" as to his role in all that went on.

I can relate that subject to the current subject of replacing LL, because it all becomes part of who and what is being replaced.  It's also part of who the Buffalo AD hired, and why the Buffalo AD was willing to make such an unusual hiring decision. 

There was so much that happened during LL's time here that made him not just an excellent D1 candidate, but equally as important, gave a D1 AD confidence to face the scrutiny of making such a hire.
   

[wally_wabash]

AP story on the UWW transition:

http://fox11online.com/2015/01/28/uw-whitewater-still-looking-for-new-football-coach/

Found this quote interesting:

"We have a 32-game winning streak that's better now than all the divisions combined. That's a lot of stress coming in right away with the thought of continuing it on," athletic director Amy Edmonds said this week.

I don't think you build 32-game win streaks by worrying about the games that came before and I don't think you really want a coach who gives more than about a millisecond worth of thought to something like a consecutive games win streak or would be prone to feel "a lot of stress" because of it. 

[ExTartanPlayer]

There was a discussion/debate a couple pages back regarding LL's role in some of the QB recruits that won championships here.  No surprise I was involved on one side of that debate.  I feel (it's my opinion) that discussion left some residue on LL's time here.  Not that anybody denied he deserved great credit, but there were a few "qualifiers" as to his role in all that went on.

I can relate that subject to the current subject of replacing LL, because it all becomes part of who and what is being replaced.  It's also part of who the Buffalo AD hired, and why the Buffalo AD was willing to make such an unusual hiring decision. 

Fair enough - had not thought of it this way, that reflecting on LL's specific work/personality would guide the selection of his replacement by looking for someone with the same traits.  Understood.

[Hasbeen Hawk]

Hi Ex.  I responded after reading several pages back where there was banter about coaches who were brought in and individuals who ended up playing there.  I just want everyone to know that Lance had a huge say in everything, even though he didn't coach a position.  Nothing was done without his approval.  He was the recruiting coordinator for Frank Zolich at Nebraska when they played for a national championship.  He is a master recruiter and he recruited his butt off every year he was here.  I talked to him last week and told him I can't wait until he turns Buffalo's program around so I can tell him he's "still doing it with Berezowitz's guys."  Some guy named "Oldpa" on here wrote "I'm glad he's gone.  He's been interviewing for years.  He was handed a powerhouse.  Anyone could have done what he did.  If there is a hero there it is Borland."  I lost 50 points off my IQ just reading that!!!

[OzJohnnie]

Hi Ex.  I responded after reading several pages back where there was banter about coaches who were brought in and individuals who ended up playing there.  I just want everyone to know that Lance had a huge say in everything, even though he didn't coach a position.  Nothing was done without his approval.  He was the recruiting coordinator for Frank Zolich at Nebraska when they played for a national championship.  He is a master recruiter and he recruited his butt off every year he was here.  I talked to him last week and told him I can't wait until he turns Buffalo's program around so I can tell him he's "still doing it with Berezowitz's guys."  Some guy named "Oldpa" on here wrote "I'm glad he's gone.  He's been interviewing for years.  He was handed a powerhouse.  Anyone could have done what he did.  If there is a hero there it is Borland."  I lost 50 points off my IQ just reading that!!!

Impossible. There is no such thing as negative IQ. But you may prove the exception to the rule.  Any more inside baseball you can give us on what people almost certainly revealed in confidence about what they harshly felt about unsuccessful candidates?  Or maybe some hot gossip from your current review of candidates?

EDIT: I've got another reason top quality candidates may not have applied, Emma.  Maybe they didn't want to chance being runner-up and publicly labeled as "despised by the entire administration, coaches included."  That too could hurt DI chances...

[Hasbeen Hawk]

Ok.  So it did not take long to realize who is the Board deuchebag!!  What up OZ!!!!