FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[02 Warhawk]

It's official.  Kevin Bullis, head coach of the Warhawks.

Note to Royal Purple - IT IS NOW OFFICIAL Kevin Bullis is the new head football coach at UW-Whitewater... just the fourth head coach in the past 60 years!

Attached below is UWW AD Amy Edmond"s press release:

http://uwwsports.com/news/2015/1/30/FB_0130152841.aspx

It's a student publication....they're there to learn from their mistakes is some instances.

I learned from mine while working there.

[BoBo]

To the joy of many, it would appear this subject is coming to a close. 

Proving conclusively that there is a god and he is benevolent. 

...or that it takes two (or in this case only 3) to miscommunicate effectively!!

[emma17]

To the joy of many, it would appear this subject is coming to a close. 

Proving conclusively that there is a god and he is benevolent. 

...or that it takes two (or in this case only 3) to miscommunicate effectively!!

Ha
Triple incongruity

[emma17]

I have not really kept up on the UWW HC coaching position vacancy, until I just saw who the candidates were. My question is why would UWW not select a coach who has head coaching experience like Dean Paul or Erick Raeburn. If the internal candidate was the OC or DC, that is an easy decision, but I am little surprised this internal candidate would have been the best  choice over
already successful HC applicants. Just wondering??

Besides what Ex said,
Bullis is reported to have turned down a head coaching job in the conference not long ago.
In addition, it's important to note he was asked to go to Buffalo.

Most importantly, he's been imbedded in executing the template since his arrival here. From that perspective alone I see that experience as more important than HC experience elsewhere.

He really was impressive in the open forum.

[bleedpurple]

Ex, this I'd love to know:

(sidebar: does anyone know how many applications were received? There could be plenty of guys who did put their names into the pool that we just don't know about)

I asked this of someone in the administration on the evening of the final interview. I was told the number of formal applications submitted was in the 60's.

[bleedpurple]

It's official.  Kevin Bullis, head coach of the Warhawks.

Note to Royal Purple - IT IS NOW OFFICIAL Kevin Bullis is the new head football coach at UW-Whitewater... just the fourth head coach in the past 60 years!

Attached below is UWW AD Amy Edmond"s press release:

http://uwwsports.com/news/2015/1/30/FB_0130152841.aspx

It's a student publication....they're there to learn from their mistakes is some instances.

I learned from mine while working there.

Yes, the RP is a student newspaper. However, it is an entity with a faculty advisor.  In my opinion there are issues that need to be dealt with regarding the RP. I understand the RP is a training ground for the students. My issue is the freedom to post articles that appear to have gone through little or no editorial process.   Who has the authority to post articles? What, if any, editorial process is required before an article is posted?  What level of source verification and confirmation is the standard that prevents articles from being little more than conjecture and misinformation?  Why does there appear to be so little organizational cooperation  encouraged?

One quick factual story.  On September 10, 2014 an article was posted with the headline, "Housing Options to Grow by Summer".  The second sentence of the article read, "Perkins Place Suites, named after the late football coach, Forrest Perkins, will have 24 three- and-four bedroom apartments with two bathrooms per unit." 

I'm not sure if the facts regarding the apartments were correct or not.  Do you know what I am sure of?  I'm sure that my dad was not dead at the time! I felt awful for a horrified Amy Edmunds who told me of the mistake and apologized profusely (although she obviously has nothing to do with the RP other than her UW-W affiliation). But even worse than that, she needed to give a head's up to phone-answering staff of the various sports programs to assure callers who may have asked that Perk had not passed away.

What was the RP's method of correcting their error? They simply changed the word "late" to "great".  How's that for a back-handed compliment!   

[Pat Coleman]

Obviously you have a personal connection here and I get that, but as a former student journalist, let me verify -- students are there to learn.

BP, a student newspaper has students as editors. A faculty advisor is not the editor in chief, but an advisor. There to teach, but not to hand-hold.

[bleedpurple]

Obviously you have a personal connection here and I get that, but as a former student journalist, let me verify -- students are there to learn.

BP, a student newspaper has students as editors. A faculty advisor is not the editor in chief, but an advisor. There to teach, but not to hand-hold.

I understand. And learning would be good. Yes, students are there to learn, but you say "a student newspaper has students as editors" as if that makes them immune to any expectations.  These are college students, not fourth graders.   Using proper grammar, holding off on a story until information is verified by a credible source, and checking out whether one of the principals of a story is dead or alive all seem like reasonable standards for a university level student newspaper.  The point is not my personal connection. That almost sounds condescending.  You wouldn't want anyone on these boards to think you are condescending, would you, Pat? 

I don't expect a faculty advisor to do any hand-holding.  However, I do expect an advisor to teach her students to work in cooperation with the athletic department and other departments within the university.  Neither faculty advisors nor journalism students are watch-dogs of other departments nor are they "news-breakers".  Students are there to learn. Let's work on competence before we fancy ourselves Carl Bernstein. 

For the record, I feel the same way about student announcers.  I don't really care if they are bad. They are there to learn. However, there are times that poor performances are simply due to laziness. Do a half hour of research. Have a 10 minute conversation regarding pronunciation of the opposing team's players' names. Seems like little to ask of a student that is taking his or her responsibility seriously. 

[Pat Coleman]

I thought it possible you might be reacting more vociferously than you might have if it had been another story. I wouldn't take that as condescension.

[emma17]

Obviously you have a personal connection here and I get that, but as a former student journalist, let me verify -- students are there to learn.

BP, a student newspaper has students as editors. A faculty advisor is not the editor in chief, but an advisor. There to teach, but not to hand-hold.

I understand. And learning would be good. Yes, students are there to learn, but you say "a student newspaper has students as editors" as if that makes them immune to any expectations.  These are college students, not fourth graders.   Using proper grammar, holding off on a story until information is verified by a credible source, and checking out whether one of the principals of a story is dead or alive all seem like reasonable standards for a university level student newspaper.  The point is not my personal connection. That almost sounds condescending.  You wouldn't want anyone on these boards to think you are condescending, would you, Pat? 

I don't expect a faculty advisor to do any hand-holding.  However, I do expect an advisor to teach her students to work in cooperation with the athletic department and other departments within the university.  Neither faculty advisors nor journalism students are watch-dogs of other departments nor are they "news-breakers".  Students are there to learn. Let's work on competence before we fancy ourselves Carl Bernstein. 

For the record, I feel the same way about student announcers.  I don't really care if they are bad. They are there to learn. However, there are times that poor performances are simply due to laziness. Do a half hour of research. Have a 10 minute conversation regarding pronunciation of the opposing team's players' names. Seems like little to ask of a student that is taking his or her responsibility seriously.

Plus K Bleed. I couldn't agree more. Whether it be the RP or game announcers, the excuse that they are college kids is way over played.

[DBQ1965]

To the joy of many, it would appear this subject is coming to a close. 

Oh ...she is.

Proving conclusively that there is a god and he is benevolent. 

+k

[2115 Summit]

Obviously you have a personal connection here and I get that, but as a former student journalist, let me verify -- students are there to learn.

BP, a student newspaper has students as editors. A faculty advisor is not the editor in chief, but an advisor. There to teach, but not to hand-hold.

Not sure what the big deal is here? If this the article everyone is citing, I took it as an opinion from the the eyes of the RP. I actually remember reading it prior to Bullis being named and I thought it was written rather well.

http://royalpurplenews.com/?p=15594

[bleedpurple]

I thought it possible you might be reacting more vociferously than you might have if it had been another story. I wouldn't take that as condescension.

No worries. I appreciate the clarification.   The "late" thing was never a big deal to me in that it hurt or anything. I was just trying to cite an example that supported my position that there are issues I feel need to be addressed with the RP.   

The  "condescending" comment came from an observation of mine when it comes to debate and even conversation.  I have seen people (not you) employ the "I know you are upset but..." approach to invalidate the content of the person's point when in fact a person's point should be evaluated based on the content, not any emotion that may be behind it.  When people do that (and I realize now you were not doing that), I find it to be condescending. 

[bleedpurple]

Obviously you have a personal connection here and I get that, but as a former student journalist, let me verify -- students are there to learn.

BP, a student newspaper has students as editors. A faculty advisor is not the editor in chief, but an advisor. There to teach, but not to hand-hold.

Not sure what the big deal is here? If this the article everyone is citing, I took it as an opinion from the the eyes of the RP. I actually remember reading it prior to Bullis being named and I thought it was written rather well.

http://royalpurplenews.com/?p=15594

No, this is not the article in question. This is an opinion piece from January 28th. Obviously, there is nothing wrong with that.  There was a subsequent article on January 29th, the day before the hiring was announced by UW-W, that cited "Royal Purple sources" indicating that Kevin Bullis was being named the coach the next day.  The article even mentioned that neither Coach Bullis nor Athletic Director Amy Edmonds were available for comment, which is exactly why reputable news outlets including D3football.com, the Jefferson Daily Union, the Janesville Gazette, and the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal (not to mention TV and radio stations) did not "break" this story.  I can almost promise you the RP "source" was neither in the athletic department or part of the search process.  My guess is the source was footballscoop.com, which speculated the same earlier in the day based on their sources.  The RP article in question was subsequently pulled.

UW-W has a Sports Information Department (and a great SID, in Chris Lindeke, by the way) that coordinates really well with the various programs to get information out as timely and as responsibly as possible.  Chris sent out an announcement by email a little after 10:30 AM on January 30th including quotes both from AD Edmonds and Coach Bullis.

The folks at the athletic department put in a lot of work to ensure a quality experience for the Head Coach Finalists that were brought on campus.  The last thing anyone at UW-W would have wanted (except maybe the RP) would be for any of the Finalists to hear the news online rather than on a personal phone call from the university.  As Pat noted, the RP is a training ground.  It exists so students can learn.  It is ill advised to try to compete with the Sports Information Department in getting out news related to Warhawk sports.  It is a battle the RP cannot win. 

[jknezek]

As a former editor of a student newspaper I'll simply say it is a difficult task. We were a weekly, came out every Wednesday. There wasn't a Tuesday night from my sophomore year as Sports Editor to my senior year as Editor in Chief, that Tuesday night wasn't an all-nighter getting that paper ready for a.m. printing. We didn't get class time to do it, our faculty adviser sure wasn't going to be there all night with us, and sometimes you just make mistakes.

That being said, you did try and learn from those mistakes and get better, but every year you have new people filling those roles. So sometimes the mistakes get made repeatedly not because someone didn't learn, but because that someone had long since graduated. Not much different from college athletics in that regard.

Posting a story early with bad attribution isn't good. Forgetting a former football coach was still alive isn't good. But they are the kind of mistakes students make, especially when in a rush or thinking about the test the next day instead of what they are editing. Ease up. Like college athletes, they are doing this for the love of writing a paper and to get some experience, not because they are being paid...