FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[BoBo]

Good choice with Bullis, time to get to work now on the next season.

Anyone know any of the nonconference games? Finlandia says they play UWW but that would depend on if their program actually gets off the ground. If it does then just two more needed.

At half time of the Men's BB game last Saturday, the radio had the first interview with Coach Bullis and I remember him saying that 9 games are set and that only 1 game is still necessary. Isn't TCNJ return game this year, plus Finlandia's first? That would be the two he talked about - with 1 more, the hardest one, to secure.

[MasterJedi]

Good choice with Bullis, time to get to work now on the next season.

Anyone know any of the nonconference games? Finlandia says they play UWW but that would depend on if their program actually gets off the ground. If it does then just two more needed.

At half time of the Men's BB game last Saturday, the radio had the first interview with Coach Bullis and I remember him saying that 9 games are set and that only 1 game is still necessary. Isn't TCNJ return game this year, plus Finlandia's first? That would be the two he talked about - with 1 more, the hardest one, to secure.

With Wesley being added to that conference TCNJ is actually coming to UWW in 2016, so we have one game for next year already!

[Pat Coleman]

BP, when you took people's discussion about "being a watchdog on the administration" and escalated it to doing a hatchet job on a fellow student, that's when you proved to me you couldn't be a serious part of this conversation.

[Just Bill]

LL hitting the phones hard on NSD...

https://twitter.com/BradRiter/status/562987903526375424

[badgerwarhawk]

Good choice with Bullis, time to get to work now on the next season.

Anyone know any of the nonconference games? Finlandia says they play UWW but that would depend on if their program actually gets off the ground. If it does then just two more needed.

At half time of the Men's BB game last Saturday, the radio had the first interview with Coach Bullis and I remember him saying that 9 games are set and that only 1 game is still necessary. Isn't TCNJ return game this year, plus Finlandia's first? That would be the two he talked about - with 1 more, the hardest one, to secure.

[/quote]

Josh doesn't write for the Daily Union anymore, but he would have respected news if he was told it by a university official as embargoed information. But that isn't how most of these things break, emma.

I believe a game has been scheduled with an NAIA program in Mississippi (maybe Belhaven).   Don't quote me though.

Just to provide clarification:  Josh is still writing articles for the Daily Union though he did take another full time job in the area.  However it's been sports editor Jeff Seisser who has been covering the coaching search. 

[02 Warhawk]

[02 Warhawk]

Royal Purple Sports ‏@RP_Sports 2m2 minutes ago
Bullis said that Leipold has been preparing him for this for awhile. He said they have had a running text session throughout process.

I feel good about this.

However, given the source......    

[bulk19]

Royal Purple Sports ‏@RP_Sports 2m2 minutes ago
Bullis said that Leipold has been preparing him for this for awhile. He said they have had a running text session throughout process.

I feel good about this.

However, given the source......    

Yeah, those darn meddling kids.... 

[bleedpurple]

Royal Purple Sports ‏@RP_Sports 2m2 minutes ago
Bullis said that Leipold has been preparing him for this for awhile. He said they have had a running text session throughout process.

I feel good about this.

However, given the source......    

Yeah, those darn meddling kids.... 

The Royal Purple Rocks! SERIOUSLY...

[bleedpurple]

BP, when you took people's discussion about "being a watchdog on the administration" and escalated it to doing a hatchet job on a fellow student, that's when you proved to me you couldn't be a serious part of this conversation.

I guess lucky for me you have very little weight on the WIAC board or I would be reluctant to post here after such a harsh comment. 

Now I feel Emma's pain because this is what happens to him pretty consistently on these boards.  I didn't escalate the discussion. I used the "hatchet job" as a specific example within the same discussion.  Maybe a list and some re-phrasing would work better for you.  As the various responses came in from those with a journalist background, these are some of the points I saw:

1. Students Newspapers are opportunities for students to learn.
2. Those students can't be expected to follow the highest of journalistic standards yet, because they are understandably in-process.  Mistakes will happen. They are there to learn. They are just students.
3.  The faculty advisor is there to advise, not micro-manage or hand-hold. Rarely, if ever, would an advisor stop something that would be published. If mistakes are made, well-it's just a learning experience.
4. Part of a Student Newspaper role is to be a "Watchdog".
5. Getting scoops and breaking news is part of what a Student Newspaper does. (Sounds like the fun part to me.)

So my question involves the combining of #2 with #'s 3,4, and 5.  My "hatchet job" example was an attempt to see where, if anywhere, an actual line is drawn to this hands off philosophy by a faculty advisor. I honestly didn't know the answer as to whether following leads on a "scoop" has to be cleared by a faculty advisor.  So if a student reporter thinks he may have a scoop and follows some leads, at what point is he instructed to "check with" the advisor?  Is it made completely clear to student reporters that a student's personal life is completely off limits?  Again, I honestly don't know the answer to this. 

Considering you have experience with a student newspaper, perhaps you will choose to answer the questions rather than make a judgment as to whether I am able to be a serious part of the conversation or not.  I know your though processes are very high brow, but between google and the email address of my special ed teacher, I have the help I need to follow along. 

[voice]

Here's a look at Lance Leipold's first recruiting class at Buffalo (No Wisconsin players)

http://ubbulls.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20150204o1zeuf

[jknezek]

Every newspaper makes mistakes. From the NY Times to the Vidalia News. That's why they have a corrections and retractions section. Being perfect isn't what qualifies a journalist to break news at any level, that is simply the job. All papers are expected to be ethical, but that is different from never making a mistake. Holding a student newspaper out to only do it's job if it can be done perfectly all the time is unreasonable.

[emma17]

Every newspaper makes mistakes. From the NY Times to the Vidalia News. That's why they have a corrections and retractions section. Being perfect isn't what qualifies a journalist to break news at any level, that is simply the job. All papers are expected to be ethical, but that is different from never making a mistake. Holding a student newspaper out to only do it's job if it can be done perfectly all the time is unreasonable.

Right Jknezek- because that's what Bleed is clearly saying-perfection is mandatory.

As far as I'm concerned, there are way too many posters on these boards that have a real problem with twisting words, misrepresenting positions and taking points out of context. It indicates a real weakness in your position, and your character, when you can't respectfully engage in a debate or subject with intellectual honesty.

[bleedpurple]

Every newspaper makes mistakes. From the NY Times to the Vidalia News. That's why they have a corrections and retractions section. Being perfect isn't what qualifies a journalist to break news at any level, that is simply the job. All papers are expected to be ethical, but that is different from never making a mistake. Holding a student newspaper out to only do it's job if it can be done perfectly all the time is unreasonable.

Right Jknezek- because that's what Bleed is clearly saying-perfection is mandatory.

As far as I'm concerned, there are way too many posters on these boards that have a real problem with twisting words, misrepresenting positions and taking points out of context. It indicates a real weakness in your position, and your character, when you can't respectfully engage in a debate or subject with intellectual honesty.

Wow. Thank you,Emma. It is rather amazing.  It is an effective (but deceptive) debate technique. Twist and re-phrase and argue against your re-phrasing. It's basically a straw-man technique.  It wins polls at the top of message boards, but it really doesn't establishing anything toward moving the discussion forward because it doesn't address what was actually posted.

And JK, I consider you one of the better poster on these boards, but perfection? Really?  I'm clearly talking about process and I'm clearly asking questions. Unless you are just stating that out of the blue or responding to someone else. I don't think there are too many people joining me on my inquiry though. 

[jknezek]

Every newspaper makes mistakes. From the NY Times to the Vidalia News. That's why they have a corrections and retractions section. Being perfect isn't what qualifies a journalist to break news at any level, that is simply the job. All papers are expected to be ethical, but that is different from never making a mistake. Holding a student newspaper out to only do it's job if it can be done perfectly all the time is unreasonable.

Right Jknezek- because that's what Bleed is clearly saying-perfection is mandatory.

As far as I'm concerned, there are way too many posters on these boards that have a real problem with twisting words, misrepresenting positions and taking points out of context. It indicates a real weakness in your position, and your character, when you can't respectfully engage in a debate or subject with intellectual honesty.

This is your defense to everything and it gets incredibly boring. Especially when a simple ability to look at a point of view logically that you don't agree with leads you to say I have a weakness in my character and a lack of intellectual honesty. That is a sad series of insults that is out of place. Try and follow along with my position. It shouldn't be that hard for someone with your intellectual honesty.


These are his words describing what he feels others apparently believe about student journalists:

"Those students can't be expected to follow the highest of journalistic standards yet, because they are understandably in-process.  Mistakes will happen. They are there to learn. They are just students."

First, he's wrong. No one said anything about not expecting students to follow the highest journalistic standards. I certainly do and I tried to live up to those standards when it was my turn. However, living up to those standards and not making mistakes are not the same thing. Everyone, every newspaper makes mistakes, from the best pros on down. And yet that is exactly what he is equating.

Now, reread my response. I addressed only that point. Not making mistakes is the definition of perfection. Ask a dictionary or keep it simple and Google it. Here you go:

"the condition, state, or quality of being free or as free as possible from all flaws or defects."

So no, I'm not twisting his words in the slightest. I'm using the definition of "no mistakes" to equal perfection, which it is a synonym of, see the definition above. If you still think that is "twisting words" than you have a problem with understanding the phrase, and that is not a flaw in my character.

I can't help what he wrote. I can only refute what he wrote. Highest journalistic standards does not equal no mistakes. It's really simple.

So then it becomes fairly easy to talk about the rest of what he wrote. If they are trying for the highest standards, but sometimes not achieving perfection like everyone else, then why wouldn't they have the same right to try and break news as any other newspaper?