FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[BDB]

Well, there's this...

http://host.madison.com/news/local/uw-whitewater-would-take-steepest-budget-hit-among-uw-schools/article_52c6749b-4cc9-53bb-b07e-83c3f227c23c.html

This is no good for anyone.

You want a discussion that will get heated, turn political and get shut down with a sledge hammer by PC try arguing this point.

Better to let this one alone.

[bulk19]

Well, there's this...

http://host.madison.com/news/local/uw-whitewater-would-take-steepest-budget-hit-among-uw-schools/article_52c6749b-4cc9-53bb-b07e-83c3f227c23c.html

This is no good for anyone.

I called myself out in my last post for liking to bloviate in print, but man, does this topic touch a nerve.

Alas, the D3 political forum was eliminated, so the rest of you are, fortunately, spared those thoughts! Ha. 

[d-train]

Did you all know that Brian Williams and I wrote that song?

What does it mean to misremember anyway?

[wally_wabash]

What's the impact on football?  None?  Some?  Massive? 

[Just Bill]

What's the impact on football?  None?  Some?  Massive?

Too soon to tell, but almost no one is spared when there's major cuts across the board.

[emma17]

Jknezek
I'm sorry you are bored with my desire for posters to discuss the facts and not misrepresentations.  It's actually my personal mission to better the world.

You're guilty of posting this- and it's intellectually dishonest.

Holding a student newspaper out to only do it's job if it can be done perfectly all the time is unreasonable.

Why is that intellectually dishonest? Did you read what I posted above that explains that statement and justifies it? Do you have anything that adds to the conversation besides insults and dodging the topic? You seem incapable of actually making a statement that supports a position and only capable of making complaints and insulting people. I'm the third person in a row that has disagreed with you that has been accused of twisting words and intellectual dishonesty. Have you considered its not everyone else that it is you?

I suppose that is the mark of an internet poster all too often these days. Incapable of logic and reasoning, exceptionally capable of insults and trolling.

Yes jk- I read it.
You want facts?  All you have to do is read the posts. Wally twisted words- and there are multiple examples on this board you can reference. You twisted words and took Bleed's point to a place it shouldn't have gone.
Bleed was only suggesting that all too often posters are willing to cut college writers and broadcasters too much slack based on the fact that they are students. I agree wholeheartedly. Bleed wasn't saying that college writers and broadcasters shouldn't make any mistakes. Mistakes will happen, but some of the reasons they happen w the college kids is an obvious lack of effort (and he shared examples).
You chose to rebut him w a post referencing perfection

Every newspaper makes mistakes. From the NY Times to the Vidalia News. That's why they have a corrections and retractions section. Being perfect isn't what qualifies a journalist to break news at any level, that is simply the job. All papers are expected to be ethical, but that is different from never making a mistake. Holding a student newspaper out to only do it's job if it can be done perfectly all the time is unreasonable.

Bleed was only suggesting we shouldn't be too lax in holding college kids accountable when their mistakes are due to lack of effort.

In the case of a RP reporter "breaking" the story too soon. This may not be an example of a kid making a mistake due to laziness, it may be a better example of a reporter making a poor decision.
I get that all of you journalism majors out there don't consider it a mistake because your big thrill is to be the news breaker.
I'm just a guy that wants good things for my alma mater and respect for the process and candidates.
There was Zero benefit to the public in breaking the story before the formal announcement.
Yippee- some RP reporter either heard a rumor or heard a fact- and he/she gets the credit for being scoop Jackson.
I wonder how many people knew the results but elected to keep the info private out of respect.

[wally_wabash]

Yes jk- I read it.
You want facts?  All you have to do is read the posts. Wally twisted words- and there are multiple examples on this board you can reference.

No, I didn't.  I am guilty of consistently ignoring your use of the word "likely" because I don't think tossing in a "likely" here and there absolves people from having to defend the position they've clearly staked out. 

I'm just a guy that wants good things for my alma mater and respect for the process and candidates.
There was Zero benefit to the public in breaking the story before the formal announcement.

This is an interesting sentiment to me.  How much respect for the candidates is/was exercised by publicizing the names, bios, and résumés of the finalists?  You can't run your coaching search like an episode of The Bachelor and then be pissed when somebody drops a spoiler.  You don't get to have it both ways. 

[bleedpurple]

Yes jk- I read it.
You want facts?  All you have to do is read the posts. Wally twisted words- and there are multiple examples on this board you can reference.

No, I didn't.  I am guilty of consistently ignoring your use of the word "likely" because I don't think tossing in a "likely" here and there absolves people from having to defend the position they've clearly staked out. 

I'm just a guy that wants good things for my alma mater and respect for the process and candidates.
There was Zero benefit to the public in breaking the story before the formal announcement.

This is an interesting sentiment to me.  How much respect for the candidates is/was exercised by publicizing the names, bios, and résumés of the finalists?  You can't run your coaching search like an episode of The Bachelor and then be pissed when somebody drops a spoiler.  You don't get to have it both ways.

Thank you, Wally. You've just assured this topic isn't going away any time soon. Maybe a few of you who are tired of it can throw in some ice fishing jokes to add levity. Steal them from the MIAC board if you have to. 

Wally,
You write, "No, I didn't.  I am guilty of consistently ignoring your use of the word 'likely' because I don't think tossing in a 'likely' here and there absolves people from having to defend the position they've clearly staked out. "

Brother, you just admitted doing exactly what you have been accused of. You justified it because YOU THINK the word "likely" should not absolve people from defending their position. But the fact is that taking "likely" out of a sentence absolutely changes the meaning.  The word "likely" may irritate you, but to act as if it wasn't written means you are responding as if the writer intended to state an absolute when he did not. Emma is right. Ignoring the word "likely" absolutely twists the meaning of what he posted.

Secondly, the second part of your post is completely out of line. There are a bunch of reasons, but I'll state the most obvious.  And for those of you still following, this is another technique of many on this board. 

Wally (and you know this is true but chose to post it anyway):  The people who set up the recruiting process ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE who have expressed frustration about a potential "spoiler." You are trying to paint the picture of an inconsistency by broadly grouping different people together. You know better than that.

The whole "Bachelor" comment is a joke. I'm not even taking that bait.

[d-train]

Thank you, Wally. You've just assured this topic isn't going away any time soon. Maybe a few of you who are tired of it can throw in some ice fishing jokes to add levity. Steal them from the MIAC board if you have to. 

Brian Williams told me he caught a 45 lb lake trout two weekends ago. That seems a little fishy...

[emma17]

Wally,
I'm sure you're a good guy and I know a lot of people on the boards like you.
But that doesn't mean I'll allow your nonsense to go unchallenged.  If I wanted to take the time, I'd bet you large dollars I could find multiple (as in no less than 5) examples of you misrepresenting positions and statements, and then arguing against the misrepresentation. 

The example of "likely", is inarguable.  I clearly used it throughout our discussion.  And you clearly, intentionally chose to ignore it, you and Ex Tartan both. 
 
How about another example.
On Jan 27 I said:

The Game Day show wasn't the reason LL got hired in D1.  But the show sure as heck helped the Buffalo AD support his decision.  And that is the psychological piece to all of this.  The D1 AD has to go out on a limb when hiring a D3 guy.  All the pieces were in place with LL for the AD to go out on a limb.

On Jan 28 you posted:

Six championships and a 95% win rate is nice, but without a Gameday piece there is no job at Buffalo? Really?

Two examples in 5 minutes.  If I went through our Pool C discussion on your board I'd find many, many more.
 
It matters not what you think of me, the proof is in the posts. 

[BDB]

This is an interesting sentiment to me.  How much respect for the candidates is/was exercised by publicizing the names, bios, and résumés of the finalists?

I think in a process like this when it gets to the finalists it is normal for that short list to be made public, and those applicants know it will happen. Generally as a finalist you make a campus visit and meet with various members of the university community and possibly attend an open to the public event. There is no anonymity at this point.

[bulk19]

How dare ESPN run this story, based on a tweet, before an official announcement is made!!!!! Shame on them!!!!!!!!!!!  Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/161010/signs-point-to-ron-zook-as-new-packers-special-teams-coach

[02 Warhawk]

How dare ESPN run this story, based on a tweet, before an official announcement is made!!!!! Shame on them!!!!!!!!!!!  Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/161010/signs-point-to-ron-zook-as-new-packers-special-teams-coach

+K

My point exactly....this sort of thing happens all the time.

[Pat Coleman]

Gonna keep removing posts in this conversation, I guess.

[bleedpurple]

Enjoy the boards everyone. I've enjoyed the banter with you all.

GO HAWKS!