FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[02 Warhawk]

Congrats on the "little" Raebel! That's great news!

8lbs, 14 oz!!! 

[KitchenSink]

Congrats to the big red head.  Glad to hear a positive story today - because I was also in the hospital today, getting my appendix out. Fortunately it went well and I am home convalescing.

Oh no, so sorry to hear that KS.  Prayers for a speedy recovery!!   

Thanks, 413    (Grandma!)

[emma17]

Congrats Grandma 413- very glad to hear all are doing well.
Perfect timing for his first visit to the Perk.

[badgerwarhawk]

Get well KS.

[emma17]

Congrats Grandma 413- very glad to hear all are doing well.
Perfect timing for his first visit to the Perk.

[emma17]

^^
Hmm- double posted.
Did he have twins?

[emma17]

^^
I'm probably overly biased toward River Falls based on the way they played UWW last year- but I think they will be tough in 2015.
It seems UWL picked it up a bit after the UWW game- playing all teams closely. 
I hope they progress.

Matt Walker is the real deal.  I don't know what went sideways between he and DePauw, but I wasn't super sorry that it did.  DePauw hasn't beaten Wabash since Matt Walker was their head coach- which I don't believe is a coincidence.

Fascinating- the real deal.    I personally would use other words to describe a coach with only 6 wins in 4 seasons (overall .150 win % in RF), but to each his own.

I would agree with Wally. Insert Lance or VK into UWRF, and I don't see them doing a whole lot better with the same resources/players that Matt has.

02- this statement of yours is interesting. I don't know your definition of "a whole lot better"- so I'll refrain from countering your opinion just yet.
Do you feel LL would have produced more wins at all? 

[KitchenSink]

Get well KS.

Thanks bw

[OzJohnnie]

^^
I'm probably overly biased toward River Falls based on the way they played UWW last year- but I think they will be tough in 2015.
It seems UWL picked it up a bit after the UWW game- playing all teams closely. 
I hope they progress.

Matt Walker is the real deal.  I don't know what went sideways between he and DePauw, but I wasn't super sorry that it did.  DePauw hasn't beaten Wabash since Matt Walker was their head coach- which I don't believe is a coincidence.

Fascinating- the real deal.    I personally would use other words to describe a coach with only 6 wins in 4 seasons (overall .150 win % in RF), but to each his own.

I would agree with Wally. Insert Lance or VK into UWRF, and I don't see them doing a whole lot better with the same resources/players that Matt has.

02- this statement of yours is interesting. I don't know your definition of "a whole lot better"- so I'll refrain from countering your opinion just yet.
Do you feel LL would have produced more wins at all? 

I think he would have won fewer. Seeing as his pedigree was UWW with all the trappings of advantage that program has over other UW schools, I think he would have done marketedly worse when saddled with the disadvantage of UWRF. Across sports we frequently see assistant coaches from successful programs go to unsuccessful programs as a head coach only to flounder. Odds are very good we would see the same in your hypothetical scenario.

[Brian R. Carroll]

Another tough schedule indeed for UWL and we need to get past the 3-7 benchmark. We will need to keep the QB healthy this year if that is going to happen.

[02 Warhawk]

^^
I'm probably overly biased toward River Falls based on the way they played UWW last year- but I think they will be tough in 2015.
It seems UWL picked it up a bit after the UWW game- playing all teams closely. 
I hope they progress.

Matt Walker is the real deal.  I don't know what went sideways between he and DePauw, but I wasn't super sorry that it did.  DePauw hasn't beaten Wabash since Matt Walker was their head coach- which I don't believe is a coincidence.

Fascinating- the real deal.    I personally would use other words to describe a coach with only 6 wins in 4 seasons (overall .150 win % in RF), but to each his own.

I would agree with Wally. Insert Lance or VK into UWRF, and I don't see them doing a whole lot better with the same resources/players that Matt has.

02- this statement of yours is interesting. I don't know your definition of "a whole lot better"- so I'll refrain from countering your opinion just yet.
Do you feel LL would have produced more wins at all?

I Don't think he would have done worse, like some trolls suggest. But I might see him winning one or two more games, but none more than that.

That's just my opinion though...no way to prove it.

[OzJohnnie]

Come on, man.  Let a guy have some fun.

[BoBo]

^^
I'm probably overly biased toward River Falls based on the way they played UWW last year- but I think they will be tough in 2015.
It seems UWL picked it up a bit after the UWW game- playing all teams closely. 
I hope they progress.

Matt Walker is the real deal.  I don't know what went sideways between he and DePauw, but I wasn't super sorry that it did.  DePauw hasn't beaten Wabash since Matt Walker was their head coach- which I don't believe is a coincidence.

Fascinating- the real deal.    I personally would use other words to describe a coach with only 6 wins in 4 seasons (overall .150 win % in RF), but to each his own.

I would agree with Wally. Insert Lance or VK into UWRF, and I don't see them doing a whole lot better with the same resources/players that Matt has.

02- this statement of yours is interesting. I don't know your definition of "a whole lot better"- so I'll refrain from countering your opinion just yet.
Do you feel LL would have produced more wins at all? 

I think he would have won fewer. Seeing as his pedigree was UWW with all the trappings of advantage that program has over other UW schools, I think he would have done marketedly worse when saddled with the disadvantage of UWRF. Across sports we frequently see assistant coaches from successful programs go to unsuccessful programs as a head coach only to flounder. Odds are very good we would see the same in your hypothetical scenario.

It sounds like you're making the argument against Vk and not LL. The jury is still out on VK - can the guy really coach? I think he needs to get out from under daddy's shadow before we will actually know. Watching him the last two years, he appears to be way over his head, has a confused look to him on the sidelines, but that's just my opinion. In your points you said LL would have done marketedly worse than a guy who has won only 6 games in 4 years if he was at poor, little, disadvantaged River Falls? What exactly does marketedly worse actually mean to you? He would've won only 3? Maybe 0-10 4 years running? No one said he would go 60-0 in 4 years with 4 NC. Or even win conference once, but I'd bet anything and everything, he would have found a way to win more than 6 times, easily.  The fact that you think he was born with the Warhawk silver spoon in this mouth, he wouldn't know the first thing about building a program? Or do a worse job than the guy currently at RF has in winning games? I declare your entire premise as a crock of crap.

I'm not sure the point of posting your thoughts with your tone and approach on an opposing conference/team's fan board other than to antagonize. Congrats oz on being that guy.

It's a rare day (although it does happen from time to time - retagent on a good day comes to mind as one) that an opposing fan adds any value when they come on here. It's obvious, oz is never one to buck that trend.

Why do fans of teams that don't have any legitimate indepth understanding or knowledge of our league or UWW come on this site and work so hard to argue against any and all that is WIAC or more specifically UWW? I'm sure it isn't insecurity?....they show a level of self-assuredness that is nearly astronomical.

Do they think they can convince us to denounce our WIAC allegiance or return our Warhawk fan membership credentials or to exhibit more sympathy towards the so-called under privileged? .....No one could be that obtuse.

Do they just like arguing?...hum, that might be it!!

I have to say I am amazed at people like oz.  They will argue any point, whether serious or said in jest or just to get their goat.

So, yeah, let's have some fun!!

[wally_wabash]

Who's insecure?  You managed to take a post complimenting the coach at River Falls and turn it into an all out assault on UWW (which never happened).  Dude, your team wins everything all of the time.  Simmer. 

I think you've misread this:

I think he would have won fewer. Seeing as his pedigree was UWW with all the trappings of advantage that program has over other UW schools, I think he would have done marketedly worse when saddled with the disadvantage of UWRF. Across sports we frequently see assistant coaches from successful programs go to unsuccessful programs as a head coach only to flounder. Odds are very good we would see the same in your hypothetical scenario.

I read this as OJ saying that LL would have done marketedly [sic] worse than he had done at UWW and not a direct comparison to what Walker has done at RF.  I certainly wouldn't say that Matt Walker is a better HC than Lance Leipold.  Leipold also has an extra 15 years or so on Matt Walker, so there's that.  An interesting hypothetical is this: if Matt Walker had 2014 UWW and Lance Leipold had 2014 UWRF, would the h2h result be different? 

[emma17]

As 02 stated there isn't any way to prove our theories but I do find it interesting to discuss.
Wally I understand your interest in asking which coach would have done better if they had switched teams for 2014.
In considering that, my first thought went to schemes- which naturally leads to staff.
And then I have no choice but to think back to the original question of how LL would have done at UWRF. As LL has always said, his success isn't because he alone out coaches the opponent.
LL's teams win because he knows how to put all the pieces together. And he's done that better than any coach in D3 since 2007. So why wouldn't he have been very successful at UWRF?  Sure, I get the geographic limitations. Perhaps UWRF under LL wouldn't have reached UWW status- but the body of work/approach indicates to me they'd be much more successful than they are today.
How much more?  I'd go as far as saying at least as successful as UWO.