FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[desertcat1]

 
Not that I want to open the East saturation discussion as it has been discussed ad nauseum for years, but Widener, Rowan, Del Val, Lycoming, and to an extent Wesley, all have the same recruiting base, and we cannibalize each other every year...  Put  UWW, UWL, UWO, UWSP, all within 30 miles of each other and see how you fare...
No excuses here, but since Widener seems to get used as an example of failure all the time here, I'd like to input the pertinent facts....
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Example does not hold water...     Linfield,Will a met, Pacific, G fox, L & C  are all with in 30 miles ..     Linfield 60 years and counting .   when the  cats win today. 

[Pat Coleman]

Well, dc1, you have to be honest and admit that two of those schools have been playing football for less than one-twelfth of those 60 years. We'll re-evaluate in a decade, perhaps.

[Andy Jamison - Walla Walla Wildcat]

Population density of the respective areas would be a factor in recruiting... I just guessing but the teams you mentioned most likely have a lot more of a population from which to draw students than anyone in the West except for the SCIAC. The NWC recruits from 4 primary states - OR, WA, CA, and CA. That is a huge geographical area for recruiting.

[emma17]

Ex
I don't have the time today, but when I do I'll start w the following:
Which teams should 2015 Pool C candidates be measured against.

I'll start w last year's final 16 in the playoffs. I'll then look at their games each week and playoffs for bad and good results. I'll then look at 2 years prior, maybe 3.
In the end, I'll be surprised if there are any surprises. We know who the teams are that make sense for this measurement.

[cubs]

Watching the UWO vs UWSP game on TV, I can't help but wonder how in the world the Titans beat Whitewater last week with their #3 QB...  UWO has done absolutely NOTHING on offense through almost three quarters... 

If not for a muffed punt, and a trick play from the Pointers, it would likely still be 0-0 like it was at halftime.  Instead, it is 7-7 but it's not because of sustained offensive drives.

[USee]

To be clear about the CCIW and Pool C:

Since 2004 the CCIW has had 8 pool C bids. (Wheaton 4, POSS 2, and IWU 2).

Wheaton is 6-4 in Pool C over that span with one trip to the semis, zero first round losses, 2 losses to UMU (semis and round 2), one 2 Bethel (round 2)who lost in the semis, and one to JCU (round 2) who lost to UMU in the quarters last year. Overall in the playoffs Wheaton has lost to UMU 6 times, once to Bethel (by 5) and once to JCU (by2). 

POSS is 1-2 with a loss to Capital in 2004 in round 1 and a loss to Linfield in round 2 in 2012

IWU has lost both times in the first round (20011 to Monmouth and Alex Tanney in 2 OTs and a bad loss to Wartburg in 2013)

Over the last 15 years the CCIW is 19-5 in the first round (5-3 in Pool C first round games)

[cubs]

Watching the UWO vs UWSP game on TV, I can't help but wonder how in the world the Titans beat Whitewater last week with their #3 QB...  UWO has done absolutely NOTHING on offense through almost three quarters... 

If not for a muffed punt, and a trick play from the Pointers, it would likely still be 0-0 like it was at halftime.  Instead, it is 7-7 but it's not because of sustained offensive drives.

Since I typed that reply, UWO has a sustained drive for a TD (Hecker was a STUD on the drive) and completes a 75 yard passing play for a TD to open up a 21-10 lead over Point.

[ExTartanPlayer]

For any Badger / B1G fans on the boards, or just people who like crazy finishers, the Michigan-MSU game just had a bonkers finish.

http://thebiglead.com/2015/10/17/michigan-punter-blake-oneill-bungles-snap-michigan-state-returns-for-touchdown-win/

[BoBo]

For any Badger / B1G fans on the boards, or just people who like crazy finishers, the Michigan-MSU game just had a bonkers finish.

http://thebiglead.com/2015/10/17/michigan-punter-blake-oneill-bungles-snap-michigan-state-returns-for-touchdown-win/

If Michigan #24 makes even a 50% effort, he probably forces the MSU returner out-of-bounds near the 5 and the game ends peacefully.

Harbaugh's meltdown after that one had to be priceless!! Any video?

Want another example of a punter with stone hands in the clutch?  In another B1G rivalry game that any real Badger fan should remember from 10 years ago - though it wasn't the last play of the game, it was the second to last play of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfIA7lhsSKs

[CalCat]

Well, dc1, you have to be honest and admit that two of those schools have been playing football for less than one-twelfth of those 60 years. We'll re-evaluate in a decade, perhaps.

Population in Pennsylvania 12.7mil...Population in Oregon 3.9mil...High schools in PA. 4389...High schools in Oregon 1370...Linfield has 3 DIII football schools within 20 miles and a 4th within 40 miles...we all have our challenges at the DIII level... that is what makes us so special😀

[hazzben]

If Michigan #24 makes even a 50% effort, he probably forces the MSU returner out-of-bounds near the 5 and the game ends peacefully.

Come on BoBo...to call out one of these college players for lack of effort, it's got to be ridiculously egregious.

From what I can see #24 is absolutely putting forward effort. His momentum is going towards the goal and the MSU player then carries it along with the block. It's a bit impressive he keeps his feet. And then he continues attempting to make the tackle as the ball carrier cuts back inside.

I realize you're a long ways removed from competitive athletics, if you ever even competed collegiately, but give the guy the benefit of the doubt. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

For any Badger / B1G fans on the boards, or just people who like crazy finishers, the Michigan-MSU game just had a bonkers finish.

http://thebiglead.com/2015/10/17/michigan-punter-blake-oneill-bungles-snap-michigan-state-returns-for-touchdown-win/

If Michigan #24 makes even a 50% effort, he probably forces the MSU returner out-of-bounds near the 5 and the game ends peacefully.

Harbaugh's meltdown after that one had to be priceless!! Any video?

Want another example of a punter with stone hands in the clutch?  In another B1G rivalry game that any real Badger fan should remember from 10 years ago - though it wasn't the last play of the game, it was the second to last play of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfIA7lhsSKs

Don't you think the MSU blockers might have had something to say about #24 getting anywhere near the runner?  Or did you think he should push all four of them out-of-bounds?  To attack his effort seems just a tad unfair to me.

In fairness to Blake O'Neill, earlier in the game he had an EIGHTY-yard punt.  Yeah, he f***ed up in the clutch (seemed like not a particularly bad snap), but he is a helluva good punter.

[BoBo]

If Michigan #24 makes even a 50% effort, he probably forces the MSU returner out-of-bounds near the 5 and the game ends peacefully.

Come on BoBo...to call out one of these college players for lack of effort, it's got to be ridiculously egregious.

From what I can see #24 is absolutely putting forward effort. His momentum is going towards the goal and the MSU player then carries it along with the block. It's a bit impressive he keeps his feet. And then he continues attempting to make the tackle as the ball carrier cuts back inside.

I realize you're a long ways removed from competitive athletics, if you ever even competed collegiately, but give the guy the benefit of the doubt. 

Whatever...you'd be an easy guy to play for.

You're right, he put forth effort, maybe 50%, like I said, but at one point, the video clearly shows UW #24 directly in the path of Watt-Jackson at the 10 reaching for the ball (trying to knock it free?) and might of even had his hands on it or W-J's arm briefly but not in any way trying to tackle which he should of been doing before MSU #39 - about the same physical size, from the looks of it, as #24 - brushes him aside with a push and a pull, allowing W-J a lane to cut back. Now we don't know if W-J would have simply run over #24 had #39 not been there or not, but by slowing the momentum even slightly by being a little more physical, #24 may have allowed the pursuit enough time to catch up to the play and stop the runner before crossing the goal. I'll admit, that requires a lot of things working in unison within a jailbreak-style of play, but it was possible. You want to disagree, so be it.  But in my era of competitive playing (which for you sonny, was well before you were even born), it would have been possible, maybe not today since the art of tackling is so foreign to many of today's players in the modern game. I'll give credit when credit is due, thank you. #24 had a chance to go down in Michigan lore by making a truly incredible stop, but it didn't happen. Oh well, such is life. 

[BoBo]

For any Badger / B1G fans on the boards, or just people who like crazy finishers, the Michigan-MSU game just had a bonkers finish.

http://thebiglead.com/2015/10/17/michigan-punter-blake-oneill-bungles-snap-michigan-state-returns-for-touchdown-win/

If Michigan #24 makes even a 50% effort, he probably forces the MSU returner out-of-bounds near the 5 and the game ends peacefully.

Harbaugh's meltdown after that one had to be priceless!! Any video?

Want another example of a punter with stone hands in the clutch?  In another B1G rivalry game that any real Badger fan should remember from 10 years ago - though it wasn't the last play of the game, it was the second to last play of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfIA7lhsSKs

Don't you think the MSU blockers might have had something to say about #24 getting anywhere near the runner?  Or did you think he should push all four of them out-of-bounds?  To attack his effort seems just a tad unfair to me.

In fairness to Blake O'Neill, earlier in the game he had an EIGHTY-yard punt.  Yeah, he f***ed up in the clutch (seemed like not a particularly bad snap), but he is a helluva good punter.

Again, look at the video. Like I said to hazzben, it sure looks like #24 was directly in the path of W-J at the 10 trying to steal or knock the ball free, but not trying to tackle him, then #39 pushes him aside and clears the final path to the line for W-J.

80 yard punt...earlier in the game...good for him...No Michigan fan/alum is going to remember that tomorrow, next year or decades from now. But you know every MSU fan/alum will remember Blake O'Neill's name like us Badger fans remember Wayne Cook's name. 

You can almost hear the check books opening up at Southern Cal and South Carolina for Dantonio now.

South Carolina isn't a better job at the moment than MSU, but Dantonio is an alum there, which is the only reason he might leave. Never underestimate the pull of coaching an alma mater has.

[ExTartanPlayer]

South Carolina isn't a better job at the moment than MSU, but Dantonio is an alum there, which is the only reason he might leave. Never underestimate the pull of coaching an alma mater has.

Sort of like how the pull of coaching an alma mater was going to bring Jeff Jagodzinski back to Whitewater?