FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[cubs]

With Illinois Wesleyan losing, we could see North Central enter the North Regional Rankings this week, which would help Platteville's case for a Pool C bid....

With that said however, with Wesley losing today, the field for the six Pool C bids got even more crowded!!!

IWU will not fall completely out of the rankings.  I think NCC will be ranked (in the secret final rankings if not this week), but it has nothing to do with IWU losing (unless they lose again NEXT week, of course).

Are you sure about that?   

North Central cracks the rankings at #10, while IWU falls out of the rankings completely....

[USee]

With Illinois Wesleyan losing, we could see North Central enter the North Regional Rankings this week, which would help Platteville's case for a Pool C bid....

With that said however, with Wesley losing today, the field for the six Pool C bids got even more crowded!!!

IWU will not fall completely out of the rankings.  I think NCC will be ranked (in the secret final rankings if not this week), but it has nothing to do with IWU losing (unless they lose again NEXT week, of course).

Are you sure about that?   

North Central cracks the rankings at #10, while IWU falls out of the rankings completely....

IWU has to be below NCC because of the HTH. When JCU/Depauw lose this week  IWU will sneak in below NCC.

[emma17]

Really looking forward to this weekend's game vs Stout. They will surely test the D- this is a good opportunity for UWW to put on their big game faces.

I hope the O continues to be aggressive- along w more cowbell I'd like more slants, more fades, more tight end seam routes and more balls thrown to the young playmakers (and old ones too).

Emma calling for more slant passes. There's a shocker... 

Right on. You know who else should call for more slant passes? Your Packers (and somewhat mine too).  Much is made of Rogers not seeing the open receiver on the 4th down pick play that ended the game. Two plays before that GB had a single receiver on wide side of field w single coverage. It's the most consistently difficult route to stop. And the kicker is GB does it so well. Bloooooown opportunity.

[Mr. Ypsi]

With Illinois Wesleyan losing, we could see North Central enter the North Regional Rankings this week, which would help Platteville's case for a Pool C bid....

With that said however, with Wesley losing today, the field for the six Pool C bids got even more crowded!!!

IWU will not fall completely out of the rankings.  I think NCC will be ranked (in the secret final rankings if not this week), but it has nothing to do with IWU losing (unless they lose again NEXT week, of course).

Are you sure about that?   

North Central cracks the rankings at #10, while IWU falls out of the rankings completely....

IWU has to be below NCC because of the HTH. When JCU/Depauw lose this week  IWU will sneak in below NCC.

Yeah, not sure JCU falls entirely out with the loss, but DePauw will, probably moving NCC to 9 and IWU to 10 (assuming no big upsets).  IWU falling completely out after being #5 and losing to an undefeated team  that DID catch me by surprise!

[emma17]

Thesis-high level administrative support is virtually a necessity now if a wiac, miac, or mwc football program is to be respectable, let alone successful. hamline appears to be making an effort to become respectable, while uwrf, carleton, and st Olaf appear to be doing little or nothing. Pres Rosenberg at macalester has made it clear that he wants a respectable program. I counted about 75 Mac players dressed at their recent game with Beloit, which is over double the size of the roster not that long ago.

Examples? Bob Sullivan's excellent career at Carleton was certainly aided by pres Lewis and frank wright. Uwrf Chancellor George field ( with a major assist from ad don page) contributed tremendously to mike farley's eight conference championships. (An aside-wright and field were football teammates as Carleton undergrads.)  Mac's four winning miac seasons under tom hosier during the 1980's following their massive losing streak must have had some major assistance from top administrators. 

In 1982 elite swarthmore college had an undefeated football team late in the season. A number of faculty and alums objected because they thought winning football games detracted from swathmore's lofty intellectual status. How much, if any, of this attitude exists at Carleton and st Olaf now? Oh, by the way, Amherst which places ahead of Carleton in most rankings of liberal arts colleges, has not had a losing football season for many years.

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Not sure if you're looking for it- but I wholeheartedly support your theory.  In fewer words and even less evidence- it's this: Speed of the Leader, Speed of the Team.

[emma17]

With Illinois Wesleyan losing, we could see North Central enter the North Regional Rankings this week, which would help Platteville's case for a Pool C bid....

With that said however, with Wesley losing today, the field for the six Pool C bids got even more crowded!!!

IWU will not fall completely out of the rankings.  I think NCC will be ranked (in the secret final rankings if not this week), but it has nothing to do with IWU losing (unless they lose again NEXT week, of course).

Are you sure about that?   

North Central cracks the rankings at #10, while IWU falls out of the rankings completely....

IWU has to be below NCC because of the HTH. When JCU/Depauw lose this week  IWU will sneak in below NCC.

And this is the folly of the Pool C selection process.  NCC beat IWU two weeks ago. So a two loss IWU is reason to move them below the team that beat them, but one loss wasn't enough?

[bleedpurple]

With Illinois Wesleyan losing, we could see North Central enter the North Regional Rankings this week, which would help Platteville's case for a Pool C bid....

With that said however, with Wesley losing today, the field for the six Pool C bids got even more crowded!!!

IWU will not fall completely out of the rankings.  I think NCC will be ranked (in the secret final rankings if not this week), but it has nothing to do with IWU losing (unless they lose again NEXT week, of course).

Are you sure about that?   

North Central cracks the rankings at #10, while IWU falls out of the rankings completely....

IWU has to be below NCC because of the HTH. When JCU/Depauw lose this week  IWU will sneak in below NCC.

And this is the folly of the Pool C selection process.  NCC beat IWU two weeks ago. So a two loss IWU is reason to move them below the team that beat them, but one loss wasn't enough?

I wonder if sometimes we see patience on the part of the Committee, knowing something will sort itself out one way or another. Along with Head to Head, they obviously have to consider overall results. Last week NCC was at 5-3, IWU was at 7-1. Probably not a gap narrow enough. But it sorted itself out. On the other hand, the D3football Top 25 poll made the switch as soon as NCC beat them.  Either it's the difference between a poll and a regional ranking or it's just different views by different people.  Not sure which.

[bleedpurple]

Really looking forward to this weekend's game vs Stout. They will surely test the D- this is a good opportunity for UWW to put on their big game faces.

I hope the O continues to be aggressive- along w more cowbell I'd like more slants, more fades, more tight end seam routes and more balls thrown to the young playmakers (and old ones too).

Emma calling for more slant passes. There's a shocker... 

Right on. You know who else should call for more slant passes? Your Packers (and somewhat mine too).  Much is made of Rogers not seeing the open receiver on the 4th down pick play that ended the game. Two plays before that GB had a single receiver on wide side of field w single coverage. It's the most consistently difficult route to stop. And the kicker is GB does it so well. Bloooooown opportunity.

Has there ever been a loss by any team in the history of football that couldn't have been reversed by the proper use of a slant pass? 

[emma17]

Really looking forward to this weekend's game vs Stout. They will surely test the D- this is a good opportunity for UWW to put on their big game faces.

I hope the O continues to be aggressive- along w more cowbell I'd like more slants, more fades, more tight end seam routes and more balls thrown to the young playmakers (and old ones too).

Emma calling for more slant passes. There's a shocker... 

Right on. You know who else should call for more slant passes? Your Packers (and somewhat mine too).  Much is made of Rogers not seeing the open receiver on the 4th down pick play that ended the game. Two plays before that GB had a single receiver on wide side of field w single coverage. It's the most consistently difficult route to stop. And the kicker is GB does it so well. Bloooooown opportunity.

Has there ever been a loss by any team in the history of football that couldn't have been reversed by the proper use of a slant pass? 

You're better than Confucius. 

[emma17]

With Illinois Wesleyan losing, we could see North Central enter the North Regional Rankings this week, which would help Platteville's case for a Pool C bid....

With that said however, with Wesley losing today, the field for the six Pool C bids got even more crowded!!!

IWU will not fall completely out of the rankings.  I think NCC will be ranked (in the secret final rankings if not this week), but it has nothing to do with IWU losing (unless they lose again NEXT week, of course).

Are you sure about that?   

North Central cracks the rankings at #10, while IWU falls out of the rankings completely....

IWU has to be below NCC because of the HTH. When JCU/Depauw lose this week  IWU will sneak in below NCC.

And this is the folly of the Pool C selection process.  NCC beat IWU two weeks ago. So a two loss IWU is reason to move them below the team that beat them, but one loss wasn't enough?

I wonder if sometimes we see patience on the part of the Committee, knowing something will sort itself out one way or another. Along with Head to Head, they obviously have to consider overall results. Last week NCC was at 5-3, IWU was at 7-1. Probably not a gap narrow enough. But it sorted itself out. On the other hand, the D3football Top 25 poll made the switch as soon as NCC beat them.  Either it's the difference between a poll and a regional ranking or it's just different views by different people.  Not sure which.

Before others jump in to explain the process, I do understand that the bolded is accurate (and I know you do too).  NCC's winning percentage was significantly lower than IWU's two weeks ago, and it's likely that's how the regional committee made their decision.  Nevertheless, at the end of the day, is it not folly?  The committee compared winning percentages of teams that didn't' play the same schedule.  When the teams actually squared off, one proved better than the other- yet the winner didn't even get ranked, let alone ranked ahead of the team it beat.  The committee is playing the game on paper with spreadsheets, the teams are playing the games on the field.
   

[wally_wabash]

Pat has hinted in the podcast that a win percentage below 0.667 is a de facto disqualifier.  If that's the case, NCC needed one more win to get to 6-3 and meet that threshold.  Looking at the North's rankings, I think they also needed Rose-Hulman to lose.  If RHIT doesn't lose, there's not room for North Central, or IWU as it turns out. 

But North Central is ranked and Platteville and Wesley can breathe easy.  They'll get appropriate, codified credit for those big wins. 

[bleedpurple]

With Illinois Wesleyan losing, we could see North Central enter the North Regional Rankings this week, which would help Platteville's case for a Pool C bid....

With that said however, with Wesley losing today, the field for the six Pool C bids got even more crowded!!!

IWU will not fall completely out of the rankings.  I think NCC will be ranked (in the secret final rankings if not this week), but it has nothing to do with IWU losing (unless they lose again NEXT week, of course).

Are you sure about that?   

North Central cracks the rankings at #10, while IWU falls out of the rankings completely....

IWU has to be below NCC because of the HTH. When JCU/Depauw lose this week  IWU will sneak in below NCC.

And this is the folly of the Pool C selection process.  NCC beat IWU two weeks ago. So a two loss IWU is reason to move them below the team that beat them, but one loss wasn't enough?

I wonder if sometimes we see patience on the part of the Committee, knowing something will sort itself out one way or another. Along with Head to Head, they obviously have to consider overall results. Last week NCC was at 5-3, IWU was at 7-1. Probably not a gap narrow enough. But it sorted itself out. On the other hand, the D3football Top 25 poll made the switch as soon as NCC beat them.  Either it's the difference between a poll and a regional ranking or it's just different views by different people.  Not sure which.

Before others jump in to explain the process, I do understand that the bolded is accurate (and I know you do too).  NCC's winning percentage was significantly lower than IWU's two weeks ago, and it's likely that's how the regional committee made their decision.  Nevertheless, at the end of the day, is it not folly? The committee compared winning percentages of teams that didn't' play the same schedule.  When the teams actually squared off, one proved better than the other- yet the winner didn't even get ranked, let alone ranked ahead of the team it beat.  The committee is playing the game on paper with spreadsheets, the teams are playing the games on the field.
 

I would like to go on record as being in favor of winning games remaining an important part of the criterion.   
Just messin' with ya. I understand your point. But ya' lose me after two losses. Just a question for clarification. If you were the bracket czar, totally responsible for all Pool C selections, would you make NCC one of your six?

[Mr. Ypsi]

With Illinois Wesleyan losing, we could see North Central enter the North Regional Rankings this week, which would help Platteville's case for a Pool C bid....

With that said however, with Wesley losing today, the field for the six Pool C bids got even more crowded!!!

IWU will not fall completely out of the rankings.  I think NCC will be ranked (in the secret final rankings if not this week), but it has nothing to do with IWU losing (unless they lose again NEXT week, of course).

Are you sure about that?   

North Central cracks the rankings at #10, while IWU falls out of the rankings completely....

IWU has to be below NCC because of the HTH. When JCU/Depauw lose this week  IWU will sneak in below NCC.

And this is the folly of the Pool C selection process.  NCC beat IWU two weeks ago. So a two loss IWU is reason to move them below the team that beat them, but one loss wasn't enough?

I wonder if sometimes we see patience on the part of the Committee, knowing something will sort itself out one way or another. Along with Head to Head, they obviously have to consider overall results. Last week NCC was at 5-3, IWU was at 7-1. Probably not a gap narrow enough. But it sorted itself out. On the other hand, the D3football Top 25 poll made the switch as soon as NCC beat them.  Either it's the difference between a poll and a regional ranking or it's just different views by different people.  Not sure which.

Before others jump in to explain the process, I do understand that the bolded is accurate (and I know you do too).  NCC's winning percentage was significantly lower than IWU's two weeks ago, and it's likely that's how the regional committee made their decision.  Nevertheless, at the end of the day, is it not folly? The committee compared winning percentages of teams that didn't' play the same schedule.  When the teams actually squared off, one proved better than the other- yet the winner didn't even get ranked, let alone ranked ahead of the team it beat.  The committee is playing the game on paper with spreadsheets, the teams are playing the games on the field.
 

I would like to go on record as being in favor of winning games remaining an important part of the criterion.   
Just messin' with ya. I understand your point. But ya' lose me after two losses. Just a question for clarification. If you were the bracket czar, totally responsible for all Pool C selections, would you make NCC one of your six?

They are so good that most years probably yes (and break new ground with a 3-loss Pool C selection ).  THIS year, with both Wesley and UWP as C's, as well as UWW, UMHB, etc., no way.

And I think you absolutely nailed it: at 7-1 vs. 5-3 h-t-h could not overcome record; at 7-2 vs. 6-3 h-t-h prevailed.

And notice that the RAC carefully put them BELOW any viable Pool C candidates, knowing that they would be an impregnable block to table access.

[wally_wabash]

With Illinois Wesleyan losing, we could see North Central enter the North Regional Rankings this week, which would help Platteville's case for a Pool C bid....

With that said however, with Wesley losing today, the field for the six Pool C bids got even more crowded!!!

IWU will not fall completely out of the rankings.  I think NCC will be ranked (in the secret final rankings if not this week), but it has nothing to do with IWU losing (unless they lose again NEXT week, of course).

Are you sure about that?   

North Central cracks the rankings at #10, while IWU falls out of the rankings completely....

IWU has to be below NCC because of the HTH. When JCU/Depauw lose this week  IWU will sneak in below NCC.

And this is the folly of the Pool C selection process.  NCC beat IWU two weeks ago. So a two loss IWU is reason to move them below the team that beat them, but one loss wasn't enough?

I wonder if sometimes we see patience on the part of the Committee, knowing something will sort itself out one way or another. Along with Head to Head, they obviously have to consider overall results. Last week NCC was at 5-3, IWU was at 7-1. Probably not a gap narrow enough. But it sorted itself out. On the other hand, the D3football Top 25 poll made the switch as soon as NCC beat them.  Either it's the difference between a poll and a regional ranking or it's just different views by different people.  Not sure which.

Before others jump in to explain the process, I do understand that the bolded is accurate (and I know you do too).  NCC's winning percentage was significantly lower than IWU's two weeks ago, and it's likely that's how the regional committee made their decision.  Nevertheless, at the end of the day, is it not folly? The committee compared winning percentages of teams that didn't' play the same schedule.  When the teams actually squared off, one proved better than the other- yet the winner didn't even get ranked, let alone ranked ahead of the team it beat.  The committee is playing the game on paper with spreadsheets, the teams are playing the games on the field.
 

I would like to go on record as being in favor of winning games remaining an important part of the criterion.   
Just messin' with ya. I understand your point. But ya' lose me after two losses. Just a question for clarification. If you were the bracket czar, totally responsible for all Pool C selections, would you make NCC one of your six?

They are so good that most years probably yes (and break new ground with a 3-loss Pool C selection ).  THIS year, with both Wesley and UWP as C's, as well as UWW, UMHB, etc., no way.

And I think you absolutely nailed it: at 7-1 vs. 5-3 h-t-h could not overcome record; at 7-2 vs. 6-3 h-t-h prevailed.

And notice that the RAC carefully put them BELOW any viable Pool C candidates, knowing that they would be an impregnable block to table access.

I don't think that's a strategic move as much as it's the result of a committee vote where the committee generally places appropriate weight on winning your games.  Does North Central need a FOURTH chance?

Ultimately, I don't think it matters a ton where North Central is in the rankings.  They wouldn't be blocking any team that I think can make the field. 

[Pat Coleman]

Pat has hinted in the podcast that a win percentage below 0.667 is a de facto disqualifier.  If that's the case, NCC needed one more win to get to 6-3 and meet that threshold.  Looking at the North's rankings, I think they also needed Rose-Hulman to lose.  If RHIT doesn't lose, there's not room for North Central, or IWU as it turns out. 

But North Central is ranked and Platteville and Wesley can breathe easy.  They'll get appropriate, codified credit for those big wins.

It sure seems that way. The men's basketball committee basically said that out loud recently, and we think we saw evidence of it in baseball as well. North Central is another situation where that seems to be the case.