FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[ExTartanPlayer]

particularly in the smaller divisions and particularly at a school like UWO whose population is 2/3rds commuters.)

Do you have a source to confirm that, or are you just fighting an overstatement with bigger, better overstatement?

Hey, if you're allowed to just make up numbers to get a point across, why can't he?

[bleedpurple]

Emma,

Very good post, I would of liked to seen that to.  In a perfect world I would love to see a UWO vs WW championship.  Glad to see not all WW fans are arrogant.

This is a big opportunity for UWO.  They proved themselves in 2012 when they had a superstar QB, I think the rest of D3 wants to see if UWO is championship caliber as a team.  I hope they do well, up until.... you know.

As for the UWW fans and arrogance, I think part of it is that we often find ourselves having to defend outside perceptions of why UWW is doing so well.  Many of us were around in the days when UWW wasn't so good, and we've seen the tremendous amount of effort from all aspects that have been put into the program. 
If you met these fans at a tailgate party, I'm sure you'd like them all.

Yes, very good post Emma.

Well what he said was not wrong, Oshkosh would never play in Greenbay and Oshkosh did beat WW on there 3rd string quarterback.  I think that's saying something.

D3 Wizard,
I'm glad you stopped in.  I happen to agree with you in that UWO seriously outplayed UWW this season and you're absolutely right in saying they did so with a 3rd string QB.  I've often wondered what the score would have been had Kasper been able to play the full game.
I can tell you that this UWW fan is hopeful the coaching staff learned many lessons from the approach they took to that game (it seems they have based upon recent games).

Don't be a stranger to the board. 

Yes, Emma. Very good post, except for the part that throws the coaching staff under the bus. And a correlated point would be a response to the fantasy "what if" game the two of you are playing regarding the "3rd string QB".  In this fantasy of the Titans getting Kasper for the entire game, does Whitewater get all four offensive starters (two wide receivers, tight end, O-lineman) that missed the entire game due to injury?  Does UW-W get the offensive lineman they lost for the game in the second quarter due to injury?  And if UW-W gets all those players back, do they get the opportunity to develop a game plan knowing that Nelson has the receivers he is getting accustomed to?   Or is all that changes the re-insertion of Kasper? Just wondering the rules of the "what if" game?

[d3Wizard]

Bleedpurple,

What Receivers and with the way nelson was throwing it did not matter if megatron was playing they weren't getting the ball.  And you think UWO had all of there starters healthy?  That's what happens but the good teams play through the injury's. 

[emma17]

Bleedpurple,

What Receivers and with the way nelson was throwing it did not matter if megatron was playing they weren't getting the ball.  And you think UWO had all of there starters healthy?  That's what happens but the good teams play through the injury's.

Yeah Bleed, what he said.
Besides, I listen to the coach's show and read your website- Coach Bullis openly acknowledges the development of the offense since UWO.  The development isn't solely the players, it's obviously the coaches too.

[BoBo]

BoBo,

UWO has won 2 of the last 4 WIAC championships, how is that not winning?  and winning 2 of the last 4 WIAC championships is pretty impressive considering it is always the toughest conference in the country.  I would consider that turning the program around? but who knows that's just my opinion.

To a 4 year old, that would be great...2 championships in 4 years!!  Prior to 2012, their last conference championship would be...drum roll please....1976. With the crown this year, Oshkosh is now tied with Eau Claire (9) in conference championships. In the current configuration of the conference, only Stout (5) would have less conference championships . They have an overall winning record against only Stout (although I believe they tied their series record with Platteville with the win this year) - so not surprising that their overall program winning % in 120 years of playing football is an unimpressive .440.  I think 4 years of playing good ball out of 116 years of playing poorly is just too small of a sample size to really gauge whether the current program can be considered a winning one. Talk to me in 10 years and we can re-visit this.

[bleedpurple]

Bleedpurple,

What Receivers and with the way nelson was throwing it did not matter if megatron was playing they weren't getting the ball.  And you think UWO had all of there starters healthy?  That's what happens but the good teams play through the injury's.

Yeah Bleed, what he said.
Besides, I listen to the coach's show and read your website- Coach Bullis openly acknowledges the development of the offense since UWO.  The development isn't solely the players, it's obviously the coaches too.

d3wizzard,
Actually, I don't believe you. I don't believe UW-O had any starters miss the game.  Which starters ? I do agree with your point about good teams playing through injuries. And I do commend UW-O for winning the game in spite of losing two QB's to injury. In fact, I think there were comments from multiple UW-W fans that commended that after the game. And I haven't seen one single post using injuries as an excuse for losing, including the post I just made. I simply brought it up because you brought up the "what if" game regarding having your QB the entire game. If we are going to talk about that hypothetical, the fact that UW-W was without 36% of their offensive starters seems fair game as well. UW-O won by three. I will go on record as saying that if UW-W had Calvin Johnson, that would have tipped the scales to our side.    With the way Nelson was throwing the ball? He was 20-26.

Emma,
I neither said nor implied that coaches aren't part of development.

[oshfb]

BoBo,

UWO has won 2 of the last 4 WIAC championships, how is that not winning?  and winning 2 of the last 4 WIAC championships is pretty impressive considering it is always the toughest conference in the country.  I would consider that turning the program around? but who knows that's just my opinion.

To a 4 year old, that would be great...2 championships in 4 years!!  Prior to 2012, their last conference championship would be...drum roll please....1976. With the crown this year, Oshkosh is now tied with Eau Claire (9) in conference championships. In the current configuration of the conference, only Stout (5) would have less conference championships . They have an overall winning record against only Stout (although I believe they tied their series record with Platteville with the win this year) - so not surprising that their overall program winning % in 120 years of playing football is an unimpressive .440.  I think 4 years of playing good ball out of 116 years of playing poorly is just too small of a sample size to really gauge whether the current program can be considered a winning one. Talk to me in 10 years and we can re-visit this.

Bobo, your logic makes zero sense. You ramble about how terrible the team has been for decades immediately after you acknowledge they've won 2 WIAC crowns in recent years.

That is the exact recipe for "turning it around".

[d3Wizard]

Bleedpurple,

UWO lost there starting DT, SS, and WR prior to playing WW.  Two of the three are out for the year.  And bobo you make no sense, and congrats you won conference in the 1900's, nobody cares.  My point is that UWO is now a force and will always be in the conversation of a conference championship from now on.  BoBo is the exact reason why other people never wanna come on these boards. 

[BoBo]

BoBo,

UWO has won 2 of the last 4 WIAC championships, how is that not winning?  and winning 2 of the last 4 WIAC championships is pretty impressive considering it is always the toughest conference in the country.  I would consider that turning the program around? but who knows that's just my opinion.

To a 4 year old, that would be great...2 championships in 4 years!!  Prior to 2012, their last conference championship would be...drum roll please....1976. With the crown this year, Oshkosh is now tied with Eau Claire (9) in conference championships. In the current configuration of the conference, only Stout (5) would have less conference championships . They have an overall winning record against only Stout (although I believe they tied their series record with Platteville with the win this year) - so not surprising that their overall program winning % in 120 years of playing football is an unimpressive .440.  I think 4 years of playing good ball out of 116 years of playing poorly is just too small of a sample size to really gauge whether the current program can be considered a winning one. Talk to me in 10 years and we can re-visit this.

Bobo, your logic makes zero sense. You ramble about how terrible the team has been for decades immediately after you acknowledge they've won 2 WIAC crowns in recent years.

That is the exact recipe for "turning it around".

You better read that again oshfb, that's not what I said. My logic is sound. I took exception to d3wizard's comment, which I quoted, that 2 championships in 4 years in the WIAC is pretty impressive. You want to call that an exact recipe for "turning it around" go for it; I wouldn't. As a historically unsuccessful football program in 120 years of playing the game, I realize the '12 team & this years team have done something unprecedented in the history of Oshkosh football (2 championships in 4 years), but that in itself doesn't make it pretty impressive conference wide. My opinion is that it's a bit premature to be calling it a turn around, as well. You can disagree all you want. Let's just see if they can put together back to back championships before getting your heads too bloated. Plus, one more game needs to be played today...I'm curious to see if EC can rise to the occasion and compete.

[pg04]

Wizard should be preparing for his game today anyway.

[retagent]

What position does "Wiz" play?

[Craft_Beermeister]

Wizard should be preparing for his game today anyway.

UWW for the last several years has been one of the best teams in DIII and for UWO to beat UWW was an impressive win.  The WIAC has two very strong teams this year both with the potential to go very far in the playoffs which is impressive.

[d3Wizard]

Very well said for the Wiac to have 3 teams maybe making the playoffs.  Thad super impressive

[bulk19]

BoBo,

UWO has won 2 of the last 4 WIAC championships, how is that not winning?  and winning 2 of the last 4 WIAC championships is pretty impressive considering it is always the toughest conference in the country.  I would consider that turning the program around? but who knows that's just my opinion.

To a 4 year old, that would be great...2 championships in 4 years!!  Prior to 2012, their last conference championship would be...drum roll please....1976. With the crown this year, Oshkosh is now tied with Eau Claire (9) in conference championships. In the current configuration of the conference, only Stout (5) would have less conference championships . They have an overall winning record against only Stout (although I believe they tied their series record with Platteville with the win this year) - so not surprising that their overall program winning % in 120 years of playing football is an unimpressive .440.  I think 4 years of playing good ball out of 116 years of playing poorly is just too small of a sample size to really gauge whether the current program can be considered a winning one. Talk to me in 10 years and we can re-visit this.

Bobo, your logic makes zero sense. You ramble about how terrible the team has been for decades immediately after you acknowledge they've won 2 WIAC crowns in recent years.

That is the exact recipe for "turning it around".

You better read that again oshfb, that's not what I said. My logic is sound. I took exception to d3wizard's comment, which I quoted, that 2 championships in 4 years in the WIAC is pretty impressive. You want to call that an exact recipe for "turning it around" go for it; I wouldn't. As a historically unsuccessful football program in 120 years of playing the game, I realize the '12 team & this years team have done something unprecedented in the history of Oshkosh football (2 championships in 4 years), but that in itself doesn't make it pretty impressive conference wide. My opinion is that it's a bit premature to be calling it a turn around, as well. You can disagree all you want. Let's just see if they can put together back to back championships before getting your heads too bloated. Plus, one more game needs to be played today...I'm curious to see if EC can rise to the occasion and compete.

Ahh...Mitch Albom had his Tuesdays with Morrie, we WIACers get our Saturdays with Bobo... 
Carry on, gents...

[ExTartanPlayer]

BoBo,

UWO has won 2 of the last 4 WIAC championships, how is that not winning?  and winning 2 of the last 4 WIAC championships is pretty impressive considering it is always the toughest conference in the country.  I would consider that turning the program around? but who knows that's just my opinion.

To a 4 year old, that would be great...2 championships in 4 years!!  Prior to 2012, their last conference championship would be...drum roll please....1976. With the crown this year, Oshkosh is now tied with Eau Claire (9) in conference championships. In the current configuration of the conference, only Stout (5) would have less conference championships . They have an overall winning record against only Stout (although I believe they tied their series record with Platteville with the win this year) - so not surprising that their overall program winning % in 120 years of playing football is an unimpressive .440.  I think 4 years of playing good ball out of 116 years of playing poorly is just too small of a sample size to really gauge whether the current program can be considered a winning one. Talk to me in 10 years and we can re-visit this.

Bobo, your logic makes zero sense. You ramble about how terrible the team has been for decades immediately after you acknowledge they've won 2 WIAC crowns in recent years.

That is the exact recipe for "turning it around".

Agreed.

UWO is a contender today.  What relevance is it that Oshkosh has been unsuccessful over "120 years" when they have won the same number of WIAC titles in the last four years (the lifespan of a recruiting class) as Whitewater?  When they award the Stagg Bowl trophy this year, will they give it to the team with the best all-time winning percentage from the last 120 years, or the team who wins this year's playoff games?  When coaches go to recruit kids for next season, do you think those kids will be more concerned with a program's all-time winning percentage, or the current status of the program?

I mean, when Mount fans said this kind of stuff to UWW after the first national title - "sure, sonny, you beat us once, now let's see you do it again" -  I'm sure you would have reacted in quite a prickly fashion, right?  Or once UWW had captured two titles, if the Mount fans had said "Hey, brag all you want about those two championships, we've won more titles over the last century" - what would your thoughts have been?

Is it your position that Mount Union still has a better program than Whitewater because they have a higher lifetime winning percentage and more Stagg Bowl appearances?