FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[BoBo]

1,740 is a terrible average.

1,740 is a terrible average?  Um, OK.

Pop quiz: I'll give a cookie to anyone who can recognize the following sequence of four numbers:

1100
1100
1790
1942

....and....time!

Give up?  Those four numbers represent the attendance at home playoff games at the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater in 2014.  For those lacking math skills, the average of those four numbers is 1,483.  In the playoffs!  The biggest games of the season!  Even if you throw out the first two games because you cheeseheads would rather stay in and drink beer at the local watering hole and watch the Badgers during the first two UWW blowouts, the average for the quarterfinals + semifinals - which were both thrilling games against high-quality opposition - was just 1,866; a whopping 126 higher than UWO's "terrible" average.

Thanks ex, this issue has been beaten to death every year for the last 8 years or so...great that you can be the horse beater/Capt. Obvious this year - congrats!!

I believe play-off attendance, or lack thereof, seems to be an issue at many schools, not just UWW. If the Hawks are awarded a home game(s) this year, I'm certain it will be no different. Sponsors have tried giving away free tickets to students and still few go to those games. You can name just about any reason responsible for the lack of fannies in the stands and will get no disagreement from me - watching from the bars (or overseas), deer hunting season in WI, thanksgiving, yada, yada, yada,  complacency.  So tell us how attendance is for playoff games at your school...btw, who is your school - who are these tartan's your an ex for?

My school is irrelevant to the present discussion.

You posted that UWO's attendance is terrible.  I merely pointed out that the "terrible" number equals about what UWW manages to draw for a national quarterfinal & semifinal against some of the best teams in the country.  Don't get mad at me because UWW's home playoff attendance is approximately at the same threshold at which you're mocking UWO for having "terrible" attendance

Mad about you beating the dead horse?  Oh, please...I've already said WW playoff attendance has always sucked - there's nothing to fight or be mad about there. It is what it is. But...

...Yeah, comparing early to mid Dec playoff games WW plays with Sept, Oct and early to mid Nov regular season game Osh plays is a real good comparison. It's impressive how you do your homework and cherry pick a couple things that really can't be compared. A smart guy like yourself knows UW-O has never had any QF or SF home playoff games. But why let that little fact stand in your way to criticize.  Maybe this is the year we'll find out if Oshkosh can get a home game in Dec. Then we can do a fair comparison. Deal?

In the meanwhile, why don't we compare these two Osh vs WW games in Osh's recent championship seasons:

10.20.12 Osh @ WW  sunny 50F  12,318 attendance from BX
10.10.15 WW @ OSH sunny 56F    2,974 attendance From BX

Ouch, come on UW-O  what's the problem?

while I'm at it, let's go to two more games of recent vintage:

10.25.14 Osh @ WW unlisted weather  13,627 attendance from BX
10.26.13 WW @ Osh partly cloudy 48F   3,056 attendance from BX

Oh my, déjà vu all over again.  A similar pattern continues from earlier years.

BTW, speaking of pattern, the reason I asked what the tartanplayer stood for is that an acquaintance attended Tartan HS in Minnesota and thought maybe that's the origin of your screen name...small world, I thought...if you're that embarrassed of your alma mater and won't say, than I guess I'll have to go through each D3 school to find the Tartans. I've never heard of them, but I've never really been into school names that much anyway.

[ExTartanPlayer]

BTW, speaking of pattern, the reason I asked what the tartanplayer stood for is that an acquaintance attended Tartan HS in Minnesota and thought maybe that's the origin of your screen name...small world, I thought...if you're that embarrassed of your alma mater and won't say, than I guess I'll have to go through each D3 school to find the Tartans. I've never heard of them, but I've never really been into school names that much anyway.

Or you could click on one of the links in my signature.

This isn't rocket surgery, you know.

[BoBo]

BTW, speaking of pattern, the reason I asked what the tartanplayer stood for is that an acquaintance attended Tartan HS in Minnesota and thought maybe that's the origin of your screen name...small world, I thought...if you're that embarrassed of your alma mater and won't say, than I guess I'll have to go through each D3 school to find the Tartans. I've never heard of them, but I've never really been into school names that much anyway.

Or you could click on one of the links in my signature.

This isn't rocket surgery, you know.

Wow, now I see.  Way to go  ...never really paid close enough attention to those signature things (except my own  )...maybe I will from now on. C-M? So I was right about you being a smart guy. Plus, you're kind of a big dude, too.  I'll keep that in mind and stay clear of you next time. 

[ExTartanPlayer]

BTW, speaking of pattern, the reason I asked what the tartanplayer stood for is that an acquaintance attended Tartan HS in Minnesota and thought maybe that's the origin of your screen name...small world, I thought...if you're that embarrassed of your alma mater and won't say, than I guess I'll have to go through each D3 school to find the Tartans. I've never heard of them, but I've never really been into school names that much anyway.

Or you could click on one of the links in my signature.

This isn't rocket surgery, you know.

Wow, now I see.  Way to go  ...never really paid close enough attention to those signature things (except my own  )...maybe I will from now on. C-M? So I was right about you being a smart guy. Plus, you're kind of a big dude, too.  I'll keep that in mind and stay clear of you next time. 

Not so big any more, haha.  These days, if a new acquaintance learns that I played college ball, the typical guess at what position I played is usually "outside linebacker" or "fullback" or even "safety."  (I'm 5'11" and about 205 now; was still only about 240ish in those photos, wearing a big neck roll made me look a little bigger!)

Also, I'm keenly aware of the differences in style and size between the different tiers of D3 - I experienced that firsthand when I played for a team that got soundly beaten by Wesley, who got decimated by UWW a few weeks later.  I'd have been practice-squad dummy at UWW or Mount; I found the right place for me.  That's the cool thing about D3 football: high school kids have plenty of choices to find the right combination of academics, competitive fit, location, etc.  D3 has it all - big schools, small schools, state schools, private schools, city schools, middle-of-nowhere schools, research universities,religiously-affiliated schools, liberal arts schools...it's what I try to sell any HS kid who seems to be thinking scholarship-or-bust when it comes to playing college ball.  Sure, if you really want to play D1, give it a shot; but just know that you can go someplace like Carnegie Mellon, or (insert other D3 school here), where you can find a school that fits just about any profile you're looking for, get a great education, and a chance to really play some ball for a couple of years.

[oshfb]

I just think it's funny that some of you UWW guys (certainly not all) are happy to take a crap on other schools in pretty much any way possible, but get prickly whenever someone does anything but grovel at UWW's feet.  It's hilarious.

Definitely not the first time I have read something like this on here...  Starting to think there might just be some truth to it!!!!

Agreed

[emma17]

I just think it's funny that some of you UWW guys (certainly not all) are happy to take a crap on other schools in pretty much any way possible, but get prickly whenever someone does anything but grovel at UWW's feet.  It's hilarious.

Definitely not the first time I have read something like this on here...  Starting to think there might just be some truth to it!!!!

Agreed

So Ex comes on this board and makes the statement "some of you UWW guys are happy to take a crap on other schools pretty much any way possible.."
Cubs suggests that since it's not the first time he's read something like this on here there might be truth to it.
And Osh agrees with Cubs.

This is getting old to me, and quite frankly, it's becoming offensive.  If the three of you feel so strongly about it, why don't you put up some examples of how "some of us UWW guys are happy to take a crap on other schools pretty much any way possible"? 
And when you show us these examples, especially you Ex, just keep in mind you'd better hope there aren't examples of you, or your buddies, doing the very thing you accuse some UWW guys of. 

Time to put up or shut up- especially you Ex.  You've gone too far with your insults. 

[retagent]

Even though I've been razzing on the wizard a bit, there should definitely be excitement in the UWO Program, and in the WIAC in general, of course. I agree with ExTartanPlayer. Did Mount believe UWW was actually going to show up year in and year out? Or were they St. John's with a one year and gone. The previous history is just that.

This, actually could be a mild example. St John's has been in the discussion as to the top D III programs over the past 50 - 60 years. To dismiss them as showing up one year and out is idiotic at best, and false at worst. But I know that anything older than 10 years, can be dismissed in your frame of reference.

[ExTartanPlayer]

And when you show us these examples, especially you Ex, just keep in mind you'd better hope there aren't examples of you, or your buddies, doing the very thing you accuse some UWW guys of. 

Time to put up or shut up- especially you Ex.  You've gone too far with your insults.

We'll start with the last couple pages, where BoBo shat all over Oshkosh's program, its history, its attendance, and dismissed them as having turned their program around (despite the Oshkosh poster pointing out that they've won the WIAC in 2 of the last 4 seasons) by citing the 120 years before that.

Show me an example, literally anywhere, of me having put down a program for its history or attendance figures.  Anywhere.  I'll wait.

[Just the stats]

Yesterday the top four played the bottom four teams, and the average margin of victory was 44 points. This has to be one of the biggest differences ever between the "haves" and the "have nots" in this conference.

[d-train]

Getting pretty entertaining in here... 

[pg04]

Even though I've been razzing on the wizard a bit, there should definitely be excitement in the UWO Program, and in the WIAC in general, of course. I agree with ExTartanPlayer. Did Mount believe UWW was actually going to show up year in and year out? Or were they St. John's with a one year and gone. The previous history is just that.

This, actually could be a mild example. St John's has been in the discussion as to the top D III programs over the past 50 - 60 years. To dismiss them as showing up one year and out is idiotic at best, and false at worst. But I know that anything older than 10 years, can be dismissed in your frame of reference.

Of course, because you are 85 years old and know everything, while I am younger so must not be aware of anything? In reference to what I was talking about, yes I think it was a good example. They beat Mount in the Stagg ONCE and never again, unlike UWW who have repeatedly beat Mount, which is exactly what I was referencing. Sure St. John's along with Linfield have great history but this is not the discussion.

[retagent]

They also were in the Stagg and lost on a last second field goal to Mt three years prior to that. They have more Playoff appearances than all but maybe 1 or 2 other teams. Just because they don't win the Stagg repeatedly, can they really be dismissed? This is what this whole thread is about. Prior to 10 years ago, UWW wasn't even in the discussion. Sure, they have dominated for those years, but out of the entire universe of D III, there are others who have risen to the top. Linfield, has a great record. Do you dismiss them because of their record in the Stagg?

[Brian R. Carroll]

Congrats to the UWO coaches, players and fans on winning the 2015 WIAC championship. It is impressive that this once downtrodden program has won 2 conference titles in 4 years. Good luck in the playoffs. I will be rooting for you.

[bleedpurple]

Congrats to UW-O and UW-W on making the tournament field. Really a tough deal for UW-P. Their no-show against UW-O must have really come back to bite them. Ohio Northern over UW-P? They lost to Mount by 44 themselves.  And they lost to Baldwin-Wallace. Who did Ohio Northern beat that was any good? Wow.

As far as the brackets, THANK YOU GOD! They look awesome!!

A chance for redemption, a chance to make history, and a chance for a National Championship. It doesn't get any better than this!!

GO HAWKS!

[ExTartanPlayer]

Congrats to UW-O and UW-W on making the tournament field. Really a tough deal for UW-P. Their no-show against UW-O must have really come back to bite them. Ohio Northern over UW-P? They lost to Mount by 44 themselves.  And they lost to Baldwin-Wallace. Who did Ohio Northern beat that was any good? Wow.

Agreed that this was unjust.  wally has some good insight into why it probably happened this way on the Pool C thread, but that's really on the West RAC for screwing the pooch here and keeping Whitworth ranked ahead of UWP.  Because if UWP and ONU had been on the board at the same time, there's no way ONU would have been picked over UWP in a h2h comparison.