FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[emma17]

Pat, I don't know if your post is serious, but since I don't see the ol smiley face I'll treat it as such.  Really Pat, you might want to be a little less consistently inconsistent with your drop in statements.  When is the last time you posted the same to Smed?

Yes, my post was serious. And when was the last time you heard an adult say something like what I bolded here? That sounds like what I'd expect my kids to say -- except my youngest is 10 and even she doesn't say that anymore.

Just to confirm my gut feeling on this, I looked at Smedindy's past 100 posts, which takes us back into this past spring, and I didn't see anything using all caps and bold or italics to verbally berate another poster. If you see something, use the report to moderator function.

Why are you worrying about disproving something even your 10 year old wouldn't say?

[emma17]

With openings at UWEC and UWL, will we see some of the same candidates that UWW had last year?

UW-Whitewater Announces Head Football Coach Finalists
http://www.uwwsports.com/news/2015/1/16/FB_0116150510.aspx

Rob Erickson - DC at UWW.  This makes the most sense in my mind for either program, a WIAC guy through and through who has been an AHC/DC for a while now.

David Taynor - HC at Lock Haven University.  Took the Lock Haven job after not getting the UWW role.  Unlikely.

Dean Paul - HC at Ohio Northern.  Went 9-3 this year, with two of those losses to UWO and Mount Union.  Possible that he is interested.

Erik Raeburn - HC at Wabash.  Team is currently 12-0 and plays St. Thomas this weekend.  I would doubt he has interest, but would be a top candidate if he is.




Hoping to get a little discussion started on this (and away from semantics and finger pointing......)

With both EC and LaX looking for a HC which job is more attractive?

Both are on the western side of the state were reciprocity with Minnesota helps recruiting
Both are located in cities of similar size
LaX has some program history
Both schools have had success in other sports Lax in track and EC just won the D3 CC championship
Similar sized stadiums LaX is on campus  but Carson Park is kind of neat with the Hank Aaron history and statute
EC has a slightly bigger student body

What am I missing?

I haven't checked on enrollment breakdown in a while, but didn't UWL have a large number of Phy-Ed type students while UWEC had a large number of nursing students?  I don't know how big a deal it is, but perhaps UWL will draw more male athletes with teaching/coaching aspirations. 

[OzJohnnie]

I love this board.

[OzJohnnie]

[D O.C.]

So, you can beat Oshkosh.
Can you beat Mount Union?

[cubs]

With openings at UWEC and UWL, will we see some of the same candidates that UWW had last year?

UW-Whitewater Announces Head Football Coach Finalists
http://www.uwwsports.com/news/2015/1/16/FB_0116150510.aspx

Rob Erickson - DC at UWW.  This makes the most sense in my mind for either program, a WIAC guy through and through who has been an AHC/DC for a while now.

David Taynor - HC at Lock Haven University.  Took the Lock Haven job after not getting the UWW role.  Unlikely.

Dean Paul - HC at Ohio Northern.  Went 9-3 this year, with two of those losses to UWO and Mount Union.  Possible that he is interested.

Erik Raeburn - HC at Wabash.  Team is currently 12-0 and plays St. Thomas this weekend.  I would doubt he has interest, but would be a top candidate if he is.




Hoping to get a little discussion started on this (and away from semantics and finger pointing......)

With both EC and LaX looking for a HC which job is more attractive?

Both are on the western side of the state were reciprocity with Minnesota helps recruiting
Both are located in cities of similar size
LaX has some program history
Both schools have had success in other sports Lax in track and EC just won the D3 CC championship
Similar sized stadiums LaX is on campus  but Carson Park is kind of neat with the Hank Aaron history and statute
EC has a slightly bigger student body

What am I missing?

I haven't checked on enrollment breakdown in a while, but didn't UWL have a large number of Phy-Ed type students while UWEC had a large number of nursing students?  I don't know how big a deal it is, but perhaps UWL will draw more male athletes with teaching/coaching aspirations.

Don't think UWL has ever been connected to the "Phy-Ed type..." 

When I think of UWL, Sports Medicine/Athletic Trainer is the Major that always seems to stick in my head.

[BoBo]

With openings at UWEC and UWL, will we see some of the same candidates that UWW had last year?

UW-Whitewater Announces Head Football Coach Finalists
http://www.uwwsports.com/news/2015/1/16/FB_0116150510.aspx

Rob Erickson - DC at UWW.  This makes the most sense in my mind for either program, a WIAC guy through and through who has been an AHC/DC for a while now.

David Taynor - HC at Lock Haven University.  Took the Lock Haven job after not getting the UWW role.  Unlikely.

Dean Paul - HC at Ohio Northern.  Went 9-3 this year, with two of those losses to UWO and Mount Union.  Possible that he is interested.

Erik Raeburn - HC at Wabash.  Team is currently 12-0 and plays St. Thomas this weekend.  I would doubt he has interest, but would be a top candidate if he is.




Hoping to get a little discussion started on this (and away from semantics and finger pointing......)

With both EC and LaX looking for a HC which job is more attractive?

Both are on the western side of the state were reciprocity with Minnesota helps recruiting
Both are located in cities of similar size
LaX has some program history
Both schools have had success in other sports Lax in track and EC just won the D3 CC championship
Similar sized stadiums LaX is on campus  but Carson Park is kind of neat with the Hank Aaron history and statute
EC has a slightly bigger student body

What am I missing?

To me, most of those things you mention are not that important except La Crosse has a lot more than "some program history" (33 conference Championships; 3 NC), though it is in the distant past and many potential kids today have no remembrance of that.

I'm not sure which one of those places (LX or EC) drew the short straw...but, both are a mess right now and whoever has the cojones to coach at either place will have their plate overflowing with problems to solve.

[gbpuckfan]

UWO preview for Saturday from a local TV station:
http://fox11online.com/sports/college/titans-ready-for-rematch-with-warhawks

[BoBo]

With openings at UWEC and UWL, will we see some of the same candidates that UWW had last year?

UW-Whitewater Announces Head Football Coach Finalists
http://www.uwwsports.com/news/2015/1/16/FB_0116150510.aspx

Rob Erickson - DC at UWW.  This makes the most sense in my mind for either program, a WIAC guy through and through who has been an AHC/DC for a while now.

David Taynor - HC at Lock Haven University.  Took the Lock Haven job after not getting the UWW role.  Unlikely.

Dean Paul - HC at Ohio Northern.  Went 9-3 this year, with two of those losses to UWO and Mount Union.  Possible that he is interested.

Erik Raeburn - HC at Wabash.  Team is currently 12-0 and plays St. Thomas this weekend.  I would doubt he has interest, but would be a top candidate if he is.




Hoping to get a little discussion started on this (and away from semantics and finger pointing......)

With both EC and LaX looking for a HC which job is more attractive?

Both are on the western side of the state were reciprocity with Minnesota helps recruiting
Both are located in cities of similar size
LaX has some program history
Both schools have had success in other sports Lax in track and EC just won the D3 CC championship
Similar sized stadiums LaX is on campus  but Carson Park is kind of neat with the Hank Aaron history and statute
EC has a slightly bigger student body

What am I missing?

I haven't checked on enrollment breakdown in a while, but didn't UWL have a large number of Phy-Ed type students while UWEC had a large number of nursing students?  I don't know how big a deal it is, but perhaps UWL will draw more male athletes with teaching/coaching aspirations.

Don't think UWL has ever been connected to the "Phy-Ed type..." 

When I think of UWL, Sports Medicine/Athletic Trainer is the Major that always seems to stick in my head.

Wrongo cubs - When the state schools were created as Normal Schools, they each had a speciality in teacher education - WW was like secondary education, Platteville (Engineering maybe or one of the sciences) and La Crosse was physical education. The beginning of those Normal Schools goes back a long time for many of them and things have certainly changed today. But even when I was in Grad School at La Crosse 50 + years ago, there were more phy ed majors running around that place than any other. We always joked that is why they were so good in athletics. They have a very large College of Health, Physical Education, and Recreation. Physical Therapy is the sought-after program today, I think, although the Phy Ed Club is like the oldest and longest continuous organization in UW-L's history. So, to say "UWL has ever been connected to the "Phy-Ed type..."" is simply not correct. 

[NewHawk]

I am a history buff but this discussion has even gone well past my interest.  I am looking forward to the game Saturday.  I think that it still comes down to who controls the lines.  Will UWW continue to pressure the QB and keep him on the run and unable to pass efficiently?  Will the UWW o-line play like they have the last few games and open the creases for Ratcliffe?  Last meeting a defensive battle.  Nelson is definitely a different QB than he was at the last meeting.  Brent Campbell will be playing in this game and providing added run blocking, which was really missing in the last game.  The receivers are catching the ball and seem to be hitting their stride at just the right time.  The Warhawk team that is going to UWO is a different team than came up a few weeks ago. 

[footballfan413]

With openings at UWEC and UWL, will we see some of the same candidates that UWW had last year?

UW-Whitewater Announces Head Football Coach Finalists
http://www.uwwsports.com/news/2015/1/16/FB_0116150510.aspx

Rob Erickson - DC at UWW.  This makes the most sense in my mind for either program, a WIAC guy through and through who has been an AHC/DC for a while now.

David Taynor - HC at Lock Haven University.  Took the Lock Haven job after not getting the UWW role.  Unlikely.

Dean Paul - HC at Ohio Northern.  Went 9-3 this year, with two of those losses to UWO and Mount Union.  Possible that he is interested.

Erik Raeburn - HC at Wabash.  Team is currently 12-0 and plays St. Thomas this weekend.  I would doubt he has interest, but would be a top candidate if he is.




Hoping to get a little discussion started on this (and away from semantics and finger pointing......)

With both EC and LaX looking for a HC which job is more attractive?

Both are on the western side of the state were reciprocity with Minnesota helps recruiting
Both are located in cities of similar size
LaX has some program history
Both schools have had success in other sports Lax in track and EC just won the D3 CC championship
Similar sized stadiums LaX is on campus  but Carson Park is kind of neat with the Hank Aaron history and statute
EC has a slightly bigger student body

What am I missing?

I haven't checked on enrollment breakdown in a while, but didn't UWL have a large number of Phy-Ed type students while UWEC had a large number of nursing students?  I don't know how big a deal it is, but perhaps UWL will draw more male athletes with teaching/coaching aspirations.

Don't think UWL has ever been connected to the "Phy-Ed type..." 

When I think of UWL, Sports Medicine/Athletic Trainer is the Major that always seems to stick in my head.

This was what I was thinking, as well, as I know they have a Physicians Assistant program. So looking at Wikipedia, I saw that one of their colleges is the

"College of Science and Health and accounts for just over half of UWLC's total enrollment.  The 11 departments of The College of SAH offer 47 undergraduate and 14 graduate degree programs. In addition to a degree 14 pre-professional programs are offered. The Athletic Training, Chemistry, Clinical Laboratory Science, Medical Dosimetry, Nuclear Medicine Technology, Occupational Therapy, Physical Therapy, Physician Assistant, Radiation Therapy, Recreation Management, and Therapeutic Recreation programs are all fully accredited.
The college also offers a Doctor of Physical Therapy (DPT) degree which was ranked #39 in the nation by U.S. News & World Report. The doctoral offering is a 34-month program with roughly 45 students."

As Bobo said, there is also a School of Education so that would mean plenty of Phys Ed majors and many other education majors as well, I am sure.

UWLC has a new stadium and is located in a beautiful area near bluffs and with close assess to the Mississippi River, all appealing to potential applicants, I would think.   #33 was very interested in LAX,  of all the UW schools, until Coach Terry blew him off at an arranged meeting, (and never contacted him again,)  in the Perk on the field right after the, "Clock Game," in 02. So he walked into the Warhawks locker room where Coach Borland paid him a lot of attention and the rest is history.   

[Pat Coleman]

Pat, I don't know if your post is serious, but since I don't see the ol smiley face I'll treat it as such.  Really Pat, you might want to be a little less consistently inconsistent with your drop in statements.  When is the last time you posted the same to Smed?

Yes, my post was serious. And when was the last time you heard an adult say something like what I bolded here? That sounds like what I'd expect my kids to say -- except my youngest is 10 and even she doesn't say that anymore.

Just to confirm my gut feeling on this, I looked at Smedindy's past 100 posts, which takes us back into this past spring, and I didn't see anything using all caps and bold or italics to verbally berate another poster. If you see something, use the report to moderator function.

Why are you worrying about disproving something even your 10 year old wouldn't say?

Because you asked, and I thought I would do you the courtesy of evaluating and making sure I hadn't missed something. Even if you presented it in a childish manner, there was at least a chance it was worthwhile.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess.

[ScreamingEagles]

The real reason Dettwiler's gone: He lost the team

http://lacrossetribune.com/print-specific/columns/the-real-reason-dettwiler-s-gone-he-lost-the-team/article_857d8115-65b0-5fb0-ae7f-952df8527810.html

Blum declined to respond to specific questions regarding Dettwiler's resignation, saying that it was a "personnel issue."

"There was a lot of negativity," said a player, who requested anonymity. "It made football just not fun at times because it was always so negative."

The players did not give specific incidences, but suggested a climate of negative treatment that affected team morale.

"Lots of guys just didn't like the way they were treated, especially on the sidelines during games," a player said.

All of these comments line up with what I've heard went on behind the scenes.  And they are kind in comparison with reality.

An easy way to show this is the number of Seniors on the team this year - only 9.  This was in Coach Dettwiler's 5th season, with an entire program of guys he recruited and brought to La Crosse.  There are a few examples of players starting as Freshmen that quit football altogether after their one season at UWL. 

I, and many other UWL fans, have seen the sideline treatment towards players discussed in the article.  The bench is fairly close to the stands, and light fan support made it easy at times to hear what was going on.  It was more than just players though - one game I distinctly remember watching, astonished, as Dettwiler berated and swore at a ball boy on the sideline for not being in exactly the right spot.

I think you can tie this all back to a question I asked before the season started - would UWL fire Dettwiler after another 3-7 year?  Many of you on this board said probably not, that at a D3 institution it's about more than just Wins and Losses and there are other measures of success and progress that we can look for.  I completely agreed and still do.

This is a great example that sometimes it's not about what the end result is, but how you get there.       

[ScreamingEagles]

With openings at UWEC and UWL, will we see some of the same candidates that UWW had last year?

With both EC and LaX looking for a HC which job is more attractive?

Both are on the western side of the state were reciprocity with Minnesota helps recruiting
Both are located in cities of similar size
LaX has some program history
Both schools have had success in other sports Lax in track and EC just won the D3 CC championship
Similar sized stadiums LaX is on campus  but Carson Park is kind of neat with the Hank Aaron history and statute
EC has a slightly bigger student body

What am I missing?

I haven't checked on enrollment breakdown in a while, but didn't UWL have a large number of Phy-Ed type students while UWEC had a large number of nursing students?  I don't know how big a deal it is, but perhaps UWL will draw more male athletes with teaching/coaching aspirations.

Don't think UWL has ever been connected to the "Phy-Ed type..." 

When I think of UWL, Sports Medicine/Athletic Trainer is the Major that always seems to stick in my head.

This was what I was thinking, as well, as I know they have a Physicians Assistant program. So looking at Wikipedia, I saw that one of their colleges is the

"College of Science and Health and accounts for just over half of UWLC's total enrollment.  The 11 departments of The College of SAH offer 47 undergraduate and 14 graduate degree programs. In addition to a degree 14 pre-professional programs are offered. The Athletic Training, Chemistry, Clinical Laboratory Science, Medical Dosimetry, Nuclear Medicine Technology, Occupational Therapy, Physical Therapy, Physician Assistant, Radiation Therapy, Recreation Management, and Therapeutic Recreation programs are all fully accredited.
The college also offers a Doctor of Physical Therapy (DPT) degree which was ranked #39 in the nation by U.S. News & World Report. The doctoral offering is a 34-month program with roughly 45 students."

As Bobo said, there is also a School of Education so that would mean plenty of Phys Ed majors and many other education majors as well, I am sure.

UWLC has a new stadium and is located in a beautiful area near bluffs and with close assess to the Mississippi River, all appealing to potential applicants, I would think.   #33 was very interested in LAX,  of all the UW schools, until Coach Terry blew him off at an arranged meeting, (and never contacted him again,)  in the Perk on the field right after the, "Clock Game," in 02. So he walked into the Warhawks locker room where Coach Borland paid him a lot of attention and the rest is history.   

If we are comparing UWL and UWEC, my (biased) opinion would overwhelmingly be in favor of UWL.  As 413 said, beautiful new stadium in a gorgeous setting all within a great city and college experience.  Carson Park may have some historical significance but I'm not sure that matters much to kids today.  I remember visiting UWEC and being kind of depressed by the whole place (and that huge hill to climb every day).

Academically you all are on the right track.  Physical Therapy, Exercise Science, Physical Education, Physics, Physicians Assistant, are some of the majors we do well.  Our Business school is strong, but doesn't have the reputation that UWW has.  This also hurts us for athletes though, as our admissions standards are high and the school has not been helpful in granting waivers to talented athletes.  We have definitely missed out on good players that went on to other WIAC schools due to academics. 

[cubs]

With openings at UWEC and UWL, will we see some of the same candidates that UWW had last year?

UW-Whitewater Announces Head Football Coach Finalists
http://www.uwwsports.com/news/2015/1/16/FB_0116150510.aspx

Rob Erickson - DC at UWW.  This makes the most sense in my mind for either program, a WIAC guy through and through who has been an AHC/DC for a while now.

David Taynor - HC at Lock Haven University.  Took the Lock Haven job after not getting the UWW role.  Unlikely.

Dean Paul - HC at Ohio Northern.  Went 9-3 this year, with two of those losses to UWO and Mount Union.  Possible that he is interested.

Erik Raeburn - HC at Wabash.  Team is currently 12-0 and plays St. Thomas this weekend.  I would doubt he has interest, but would be a top candidate if he is.




Hoping to get a little discussion started on this (and away from semantics and finger pointing......)

With both EC and LaX looking for a HC which job is more attractive?

Both are on the western side of the state were reciprocity with Minnesota helps recruiting
Both are located in cities of similar size
LaX has some program history
Both schools have had success in other sports Lax in track and EC just won the D3 CC championship
Similar sized stadiums LaX is on campus  but Carson Park is kind of neat with the Hank Aaron history and statute
EC has a slightly bigger student body

What am I missing?

I haven't checked on enrollment breakdown in a while, but didn't UWL have a large number of Phy-Ed type students while UWEC had a large number of nursing students?  I don't know how big a deal it is, but perhaps UWL will draw more male athletes with teaching/coaching aspirations.

Don't think UWL has ever been connected to the "Phy-Ed type..." 

When I think of UWL, Sports Medicine/Athletic Trainer is the Major that always seems to stick in my head.

Wrongo cubs - When the state schools were created as Normal Schools, they each had a speciality in teacher education - WW was like secondary education, Platteville (Engineering maybe or one of the sciences) and La Crosse was physical education. The beginning of those Normal Schools goes back a long time for many of them and things have certainly changed today. But even when I was in Grad School at La Crosse 50 + years ago, there were more phy ed majors running around that place than any other. We always joked that is why they were so good in athletics. They have a very large College of Health, Physical Education, and Recreation. Physical Therapy is the sought-after program today, I think, although the Phy Ed Club is like the oldest and longest continuous organization in UW-L's history. So, to say "UWL has ever been connected to the "Phy-Ed type..."" is simply not correct.

Sorry BoBo....  I wasn't even a glimmer in my parents eyes 50 years ago, so I had no idea about that history.

I guess I would have been better off saying "don't remember UWL being connected to the Phy Ed type when my classmates and I were looking at schools 20+ years ago." 

A lot of my friends that were interested in Sports Medicine/Athletic Trainer went to UWL because of their strong program, so that is probably why that connection is there for me.