FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[cubs]

Speaking of which....UWW fans got a lot of crap from UWO staff members saying how quiet we were after the loss. I haven't heard much from UWO fans lately. Or those UWO player(s) who created accounts on these boards back after they beat UWW in October.

Come on 02...  You've been here long enough to agree that UWO posters have been few and far between around here regardless of whether the Titans are winning or losing...  You can go back and look after Whitewater and Oshkosh played October 10th, and there wasn't a post made on here from anyone with UWO ties the entire week after the win (at least that I could see when I went back and looked.)

[cubs]

It's also important that any Pool C entrants from the WIAC have success in the playoffs as well.

This, I think, is a really great point.  For all of the WIAC's internal competition (which has no doubt hampered them from getting more Pool C bids over the years), I have been surprised that the two Pool C bids that the WIAC did get recently (2013 Platteville and 2008 Stevens Point) did not really distinguish themselves in the playoffs.  Other leagues aren't really sending Pool C teams too deep, either, but I think the perception that the WIAC really has two or three top-15 level programs would have stronger legs if the league had a season with a Pool C entrant or two making a playoff run.

So the WIAC has gotten three Pool C bids in the last ten yars, and in two of the three instances the WIAC team won their first game and in one of the three the WIAC advanced to the Stagg Bowl.  I would say that is a pretty good track record for Pool C bids from the WIAC.  Or no?

I think if you cut the time frame in half, it's a relevant point.  Three bids over 10 years is pretty thin, IMO.

My point was that when a WIAC team actually gets a Pool C, they have some postseason success.  Often times however they are "left at the table" like Oshkosh was last year, despite the WIAC having moderate success when given a Pool C bid in the past.

Can't help but go back to this post again after seeing Whitewater have success as a Pool C this year...

Makes me think Platteville would have been competitive this season as a Pool C as would have UWO last season....  Unfortunately, neither WIAC squad earned a bid in those two instances.

[NewHawk]

It's also important that any Pool C entrants from the WIAC have success in the playoffs as well.

This, I think, is a really great point.  For all of the WIAC's internal competition (which has no doubt hampered them from getting more Pool C bids over the years), I have been surprised that the two Pool C bids that the WIAC did get recently (2013 Platteville and 2008 Stevens Point) did not really distinguish themselves in the playoffs.  Other leagues aren't really sending Pool C teams too deep, either, but I think the perception that the WIAC really has two or three top-15 level programs would have stronger legs if the league had a season with a Pool C entrant or two making a playoff run.

So the WIAC has gotten three Pool C bids in the last ten yars, and in two of the three instances the WIAC team won their first game and in one of the three the WIAC advanced to the Stagg Bowl.  I would say that is a pretty good track record for Pool C bids from the WIAC.  Or no?

I think if you cut the time frame in half, it's a relevant point.  Three bids over 10 years is pretty thin, IMO.

My point was that when a WIAC team actually gets a Pool C, they have some postseason success.  Often times however they are "left at the table" like Oshkosh was last year, despite the WIAC having moderate success when given a Pool C bid in the past.

Can't help but go back to this post again after seeing Whitewater have success as a Pool C this year...

Makes me think Platteville would have been competitive this season as a Pool C as would have UWO last season....  Unfortunately, neither WIAC squad earned a bid in those two instances.

Platteville definitely had more business in pool than than Ohio Northern. Platteville was a good football team that played some really good teams in the regular season. I still think it was a case of not picking three teams from the same conference

[Pat Coleman]

The rule changed in 2004.

Many (most??) privates didn't permit it.

Some. Really, the MIAC was an outlier in that they wouldn't allow redshirts and they wouldn't even recognize redshirts from another division. (MIAC has since relented -- never made sense to me that they would make a kid pay twice for a mistaken decision to start their career in D-II or higher.)

[bleedpurple]

Post-game press conference - Osh first, then UWW.

Interesting comments by Cerroni starting about the 5:20 mark.  Sounds like a bitter man. Says he's not complaining or whining, but it sure sounds like he is. Take a listen.

LINK:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4OvT7sqo6E

Both teams are part of the same state system.  Poaching each other's coaches is not good form.  Money is how you do it.  I thought he was perfectly clear.     Oshkosh needs to figure out a way to get more cash so they can keep these coaches. A new challenge for their administration.  Glad Cerroni said it.
He is an awesome coach.

There is absolutely no issue with going after the best coaches no matter where they are currently coaching.  A head coach has a job to do and an obligation to his school and his players to do everything he can to make them the best they can be. Bad form?  Bad form is passing on someone that you think is the best fit in an effort to not hurt another teams feeling. Come on, these coaches aren't in the pee wee league volunteering their time. This is their profession.

Within the WIAC I see it as bad form. That is an opinion.   Sims better get working on an alternative strategy than raising ticket prices.   

Said the guy whose team hired Whitewater's strength and conditioning coach. I'm guessing you think UW-O should have stayed away from Brown? Right. 

[Pat Coleman]

Post-game press conference - Osh first, then UWW.

Interesting comments by Cerroni starting about the 5:20 mark.  Sounds like a bitter man. Says he's not complaining or whining, but it sure sounds like he is. Take a listen.

LINK:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4OvT7sqo6E

Both teams are part of the same state system.  Poaching each other's coaches is not good form.  Money is how you do it.  I thought he was perfectly clear.     Oshkosh needs to figure out a way to get more cash so they can keep these coaches. A new challenge for their administration.  Glad Cerroni said it.
He is an awesome coach.

There is absolutely no issue with going after the best coaches no matter where they are currently coaching.  A head coach has a job to do and an obligation to his school and his players to do everything he can to make them the best they can be. Bad form?  Bad form is passing on someone that you think is the best fit in an effort to not hurt another teams feeling. Come on, these coaches aren't in the pee wee league volunteering their time. This is their profession.

Within the WIAC I see it as bad form. That is an opinion.   Sims better get working on an alternative strategy than raising ticket prices.   

Said the guy whose team hired Whitewater's strength and conditioning coach. I'm guessing you think UW-O should have stayed away from Brown? Right.

You're feeding the troll ...

[BoBo]

I'm a little curious & puzzled that bp's harmless and sarcastic reply to fredfalcon the other day was belittling, and got him immediately call out, but this post on the Wabash site on Sat. isn't... 

"UST fans are kinda dicks."

...or is this what you mean by discussing sports in a positive way? Just my opinion, but there appears to be a double standard on these boards.

[Pat Coleman]

I'm a little curious & puzzled that bp's harmless and sarcastic reply to fredfalcon the other day was belittling, and got him immediately call out, but this post on the Wabash site on Sat. isn't... 

"UST fans are kinda dicks."

...or is this what you mean by discussing sports in a positive way? Just my opinion, but there appears to be a double standard on these boards.

In moderating a board there's a difference between reacting to a post that you catch immediately or one that is five screens old by the time you get to it. On game day, sometimes I've got other things going on and catching message board posts in something resembling real time just doesn't happen, BoBo. Generally, once it's that far gone I have found it makes things worse to bring it back to the forefront and reference it.

[Pat Coleman]

If you actually want me to do something about a post, hit the report to moderator button when you see it. But instead, if you wait 24 hours and then bring it up here on the board, I'll know what you really want to do is complain rather than do something constructive. The tools are there for you to use -- use them to help me moderate the board rather than just gripe when I don't see something you think I should see.

[02 Warhawk]

Speaking of which....UWW fans got a lot of crap from UWO staff members saying how quiet we were after the loss. I haven't heard much from UWO fans lately. Or those UWO player(s) who created accounts on these boards back after they beat UWW in October.

Come on 02...  You've been here long enough to agree that UWO posters have been few and far between around here regardless of whether the Titans are winning or losing...  You can go back and look after Whitewater and Oshkosh played October 10th, and there wasn't a post made on here from anyone with UWO ties the entire week after the win (at least that I could see when I went back and looked.)

I was mostly talking about the snarky comment made by one of the UWO players on here. I guess that post was deleted. It seems he just created an account to talk trash, then deactivated his account. Message board hit and run.

[cubs]

Speaking of which....UWW fans got a lot of crap from UWO staff members saying how quiet we were after the loss. I haven't heard much from UWO fans lately. Or those UWO player(s) who created accounts on these boards back after they beat UWW in October.

Come on 02...  You've been here long enough to agree that UWO posters have been few and far between around here regardless of whether the Titans are winning or losing...  You can go back and look after Whitewater and Oshkosh played October 10th, and there wasn't a post made on here from anyone with UWO ties the entire week after the win (at least that I could see when I went back and looked.)

I was mostly talking about the snarky comment made by one of the UWO players on here. I guess that post was deleted. It seems he just created an account to talk trash, then deactivated his account. Message board hit and run.

Ok...  I must have missed it the first time....

[MasterJedi]

So far on the main site the poll has a disgusting 23% favoring UWW/UMU being on opposite sides saying that "if nobody else can stop them the committee should". Basically not supporting possibly the two best teams playing in the championship. In any sport people should never artificially force a rematch to not happen. A lot of those votes are probably coming from East region teams who have for years called for this because it's "fair". 

[UWO Titan 78]

Great game on Saturday. Hats off to both teams on a wonderful exhibition of WIAC and D3 football. I am still proud to be a Titan. I said here earlier that it would be tough to beat the Warhawks twice in a season. In both losses this year, the Titans were hurt by their special teams. I watched the game on the net, so my account is not from the stadium. The Warhawks were the better team. Not by much, but they were. UWW won the turnover battle and the day on special teams (I thought the punt game was critical too). UWW dominated the first half, and Oshkosh was lucky to be in the game. Some really huge defensive stops kept us in it. The Titan defense never ceases to amaze me when they can bow their neck and keep teams out of the endzone (especially a team like the UWW) when they give them a short field. I thought Oshkosh played as well as they could. They kept the game close, and had a chance to win the game. The talent gap is closing, but UWW still has more talent top to bottom.

My feelings on Coach Cerroni's comments. They guy was clearly hurting after the loss. This was the best team he's ever had (and he's had a previous conference champion that was a final four team), and he was hurting after a brutal playoff loss to the defending national champions that you had beaten earlier in the season to win the best league in all of D3. Darn right he was salty. I played there over 20 years ago, and I was salty after the game (ask my wife and kids). Losing Coach Smith was a big loss for the program (and he went to your chief rival). He's not the first HC to use the media as a platform to get more money for assistants or more "buy-in" from the administration. The Badger coaches have been complaining to the media about their assistant coaches paychecks for a long time too. Coach Cerroni has built a program the University, alums, and the community can be proud of. Hopefully he continues to get the support for us to continue to build it.

Best of luck to the Warhawks. Represent the WIAC and bring it home again. I hope we get a shot at beating the national champs again next year.

PS. I redshirted back in the early 90s. I was 17 years old when I entered UWO, and I was not physically ready to compete with the defenses at LaX, Point, and UWW. I could've played in the CCIW right away, but my high school coach told me that the WSUC was the best small-college conference in the land and I wanted that challenge. That year in the weight room really helped.

[Pat Coleman]

So far on the main site the poll has a disgusting 23% favoring UWW/UMU being on opposite sides saying that "if nobody else can stop them the committee should". Basically not supporting possibly the two best teams playing in the championship. In any sport people should never artificially force a rematch to not happen. A lot of those votes are probably coming from East region teams who have for years called for this because it's "fair". 

For what it's worth, I was impressed the number was so low. I expected higher.

[AO]

So far on the main site the poll has a disgusting 23% favoring UWW/UMU being on opposite sides saying that "if nobody else can stop them the committee should". Basically not supporting possibly the two best teams playing in the championship. In any sport people should never artificially force a rematch to not happen. A lot of those votes are probably coming from East region teams who have for years called for this because it's "fair". 

For what it's worth, I was impressed the number was so low. I expected higher.

I would have voted for "Yes, Whitewater's loss correctly sent them to the highest seed in the semis."