FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[bleedpurple]

Any Oshkosh fans sweating the St. John's game coming up? UWO fans have been quiet lately on these boards.

What St. John's game? 

Here I thought their season was over already?!?!?!  No? 

The lesson, here, is to never count out SJU!

I never want to bet against a Pat Cerroni led team.   

I don't know AR, from what I hear, you don't want to mess with "Johnnie Magic".   

Nice opportunity for bragging rights for both conferences. MIAC #2 vs WIAC #2.  If the Titans win, they probably have a chance to knock off MIAC #1.  That would be a nice result for the WIAC after the Johnnies edged the Pioneers. 

[DuffMan]

It should be a good match-up in Oshkosh.  If SJU plays a clean game, I like their chances, but they've had a knack for shooting themselves in the foot this year.  Aside from the U$T game, they've been able to cover up those mistakes, but a team of Oshkosh's caliber will make you pay for those mistakes. 

[palum]

Having seen Platteville's game at Oshkosh and the St Johns game in my humble opinion I would give the edge to Oshkosh.  Oshkosh took away Platteville's passing game they held  Arnold to 2 catches and Kelly almost had more rushing yards than passing yards.   Oshkosh should be able to move the ball against St Johns and if they have trouble they can always use that  Wildcat formation that did alot of damage  against Platteville.   

[retagent]

I wouldn't assume that the SJU/UWP game was a good look at the Johnnies capabilities. Two of the Pioneers scores came on drives of less than 15 yards. I guess you could argue that the errors that led to those miscues by the Johnnies were forced, but they were not the norm. That's why I believe the Johnnies can win if they avoid big mistakes like those. They also had a revolving QB situation, due, I think, to minor injuries to both Erdman and Alvord. When Erdman got in rhythm, he was pretty good.

[hazzben]

I wouldn't assume that the SJU/UWP game was a good look at the Johnnies capabilities. Two of the Pioneers scores came on drives of less than 15 yards. I guess you could argue that the errors that led to those miscues by the Johnnies were forced, but they were not the norm. That's why I believe the Johnnies can win if they avoid big mistakes like those. They also had a revolving QB situation, due, I think, to minor injuries to both Erdman and Alvord. When Erdman got in rhythm, he was pretty good.

I definitely don't think you can call the punt snap a 'forced error.' Still an error, and still the kind of thing that can get you beat in the playoffs. But that was just a brutally bad snap in about the worst situation imaginable. Kudos to the punter for running it down and falling on it.

[DuffMan]

I definitely don't think you can call the punt snap a 'forced error.'

Sure, you can.  The nose guard got into the long snapper's head. 

[RoyalsFan]

I wouldn't assume that the SJU/UWP game was a good look at the Johnnies capabilities. Two of the Pioneers scores came on drives of less than 15 yards. I guess you could argue that the errors that led to those miscues by the Johnnies were forced, but they were not the norm. That's why I believe the Johnnies can win if they avoid big mistakes like those. They also had a revolving QB situation, due, I think, to minor injuries to both Erdman and Alvord. When Erdman got in rhythm, he was pretty good.

I definitely don't think you can call the punt snap a 'forced error.' Still an error, and still the kind of thing that can get you beat in the playoffs. But that was just a brutally bad snap in about the worst situation imaginable. Kudos to the punter for running it down and falling on it.

Don't think that mattered much. I could be mistaken but didn't UWP score a td after that anyway? In fact you could say it could have hurt SJU. If UWP had scooped up the bad snap and scored right away it would have given SJU more time on the clock at the end of the game (even though they didn't need it - but just barely). Just playing devil's advocate.

[hazzben]

I wouldn't assume that the SJU/UWP game was a good look at the Johnnies capabilities. Two of the Pioneers scores came on drives of less than 15 yards. I guess you could argue that the errors that led to those miscues by the Johnnies were forced, but they were not the norm. That's why I believe the Johnnies can win if they avoid big mistakes like those. They also had a revolving QB situation, due, I think, to minor injuries to both Erdman and Alvord. When Erdman got in rhythm, he was pretty good.

I definitely don't think you can call the punt snap a 'forced error.' Still an error, and still the kind of thing that can get you beat in the playoffs. But that was just a brutally bad snap in about the worst situation imaginable. Kudos to the punter for running it down and falling on it.

Don't think that mattered much. I could be mistaken but didn't UWP score a td after that anyway? In fact you could say it could have hurt SJU. If UWP had scooped up the bad snap and scored right away it would have given SJU more time on the clock at the end of the game (even though they didn't need it - but just barely). Just playing devil's advocate.

That's actually a fair point. I was thinking of UM vs. MSU last year and the punter panicking and trying to get it off. Or a guy trying to kick it out of the end zone for a safety, but then giving the ball right back. It was a really good effort by the punter, but the result was still as UWP TD.

[emma17]

Any Oshkosh fans sweating the St. John's game coming up? UWO fans have been quiet lately on these boards.

What St. John's game? 

Here I thought their season was over already?!?!?!  No? 

The lesson, here, is to never count out SJU!

I never want to bet against a Pat Cerroni led team.   

I don't know AR, from what I hear, you don't want to mess with "Johnnie Magic".   

Nice opportunity for bragging rights for both conferences. MIAC #2 vs WIAC #2.  If the Titans win, they probably have a chance to knock off MIAC #1.  That would be a nice result for the WIAC after the Johnnies edged the Pioneers.

I saw some of that Johnnie black (and white striped) magic at work Saturday. 

[02 Warhawk]

wow...here's one for you KitchenSink (emma, you probably read about this already).

Officiating crew's worst nightmare

Found this posted on the MIAC site.

[emma17]

wow...here's one for you KitchenSink (emma, you probably read about this already).

Officiating crew's worst nightmare

Found this posted on the MIAC site.

To be frank, I'm torn on the whole thing.  Referee errors are so much a part of the game.  I know it's not quite the same, but how many games end with pass interference not being called on a Hail Mary?  I know this case isn't a judgement issue, rather it's a failure to administer the rules properly.  Do we set precedent to go to court for all similar situations going forward?
Perhaps the resolution I see as most palatable would come from an action from Plainfield North, and not the court.  Even then, I don't expect it of Plainfield North.

[sju56321]

Agreed-not from Plainfield.
I wish the IHSA would have stepped up.

[KitchenSink]

wow...here's one for you KitchenSink (emma, you probably read about this already).

Officiating crew's worst nightmare

Found this posted on the MIAC site.

Yeah I belong to a couple of different Officials groups on Facebook, and this issue has been ALL OVER that for the last few days.  This a rare case where you could clearly have a reversal.  And I'd be OK with that - except that very likely it would open Pandora's Box, and that would get really ugly really fast.

[JMM]

Is there much difference btw UWPLT and UWOSH.

[bleedpurple]

wow...here's one for you KitchenSink (emma, you probably read about this already).

Officiating crew's worst nightmare

Found this posted on the MIAC site.

I'm going to really go against the grain on this. I don't think the outcome should be changed. Do I think Fenwick was "robbed"? It appears so. And they are about the millionth school to have lost a game due to a referee in sports history. It really stinks and it is correctable. But so are a whole lot of penalties when replayed on a clear scoreboard.  If this is accurately reported by the paper: "The IHSA Board of Directors cited bylaw 6.033 that states "the decisions of game officials shall be final; protests against the decision of a game official shall not be reviewed by the Board of Directors.'' In my opinion, that is the lock for the Pandora's Box and it is best left tightly in place. Plainfield North voluntarily give up their spot in the championship game? Unfair expectation in my opinion. Life isn't fair. A tough lesson for the Fenwick kids. But rarely do I find these type of disputes are really about the kids. They bounce back a whole lot faster than the parents do.