FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[USee]

I agree with the notion of a bad coaching decision. If he really, really knew the rules then throw it as high and as far out of bounds toward a receiver as you can. The clock stops when the ball hits the ground so same effect. Or turn around and throw it out the back of the endzone as high and as far as possible. Game over on a safety. I have seen this play one other time many years ago and the coach had his Receiver run a fly pattern and the QB throw it deep and out of bounds. Same effect.

I am glad the courts didn't unlock this Pandora's box.

If he throws "toward a receiver" that means he's throwing toward a defender = risk. We've all seen passes intercepted that were intended to be thrown out of bounds.
If the refs rule properly, it's one of the safest game ending plays I can think of.

If he throws toward no one = risk that HS referees can't administer the rules. We just saw that. I don't think there is much risk in him throwing the exact same pass into the bleachers over the head of a receiver who ran a 5 yard hitch/out. Certainly not any more risk than what they tried.

[emma17]

I agree with the notion of a bad coaching decision. If he really, really knew the rules then throw it as high and as far out of bounds toward a receiver as you can. The clock stops when the ball hits the ground so same effect. Or turn around and throw it out the back of the endzone as high and as far as possible. Game over on a safety. I have seen this play one other time many years ago and the coach had his Receiver run a fly pattern and the QB throw it deep and out of bounds. Same effect.

I am glad the courts didn't unlock this Pandora's box.

If he throws "toward a receiver" that means he's throwing toward a defender = risk. We've all seen passes intercepted that were intended to be thrown out of bounds.
If the refs rule properly, it's one of the safest game ending plays I can think of.

If he throws toward no one = risk that HS referees can't administer the rules. We just saw that. I don't think there is much risk in him throwing the exact same pass into the bleachers over the head of a receiver who ran a 5 yard hitch/out. Certainly not any more risk than what they tried.

We will just have to disagree. IMO there shouldn't be any risk of officials not knowing the rules.

[USee]

Then you don't watch much HS football. Those guys don't get paid much, let alone enough to study the rulebook. As bad as some of the officiating D3 sees, HS football is far, far worse.

[emma17]

Some random questions as I prep for Saturday.
-Does Johns Hopkins have enough D to beat Mt?
-Does St. John's have enough O to beat UWO?
-Will Witt's QB be more effective against UWW than Lakeland's?
-Can Coe play physical enough to have a chance at St. Thomas?
-Is this late developing Wesley team near the caliber of previous semi-finalists?
-Will NCC need to be able to run the ball to win this rematch?
-Am I wrong to think Linfield players and coaches will succeed in preventing Blake Jackson from leading UMHB to victory?
-I don't know much about Alfred or WNE, but I hope one of them comes out of this game as a serious threat to their next opponent.

[emma17]

Then you don't watch much HS football. Those guys don't get paid much, let alone enough to study the rulebook. As bad as some of the officiating D3 sees, HS football is far, far worse.

You're right, I don't watch much HS football.

[KitchenSink]

Then you don't watch much HS football. Those guys don't get paid much, let alone enough to study the rulebook. As bad as some of the officiating D3 sees, HS football is far, far worse.

You know, there are HS officials on these boards. And some them would tell you to STFU.

[DBQ1965]

Then you don't watch much HS football. Those guys don't get paid much, let alone enough to study the rulebook. As bad as some of the officiating D3 sees, HS football is far, far worse.

You know, there are HS officials on these boards. And some them would tell you to STFU.

Well said.  Plus karma for you.

[Raider 68]

To all the WIAC posters, have a Happy and Safe Thanksgiving!

[cubs]

Just a little something to put things in perspective during the Thanksgiving holiday.....

http://www.uwosh.edu/today/47431/cancer-fight-turns-football-player-into-a-coach/

[USee]

Then you don't watch much HS football. Those guys don't get paid much, let alone enough to study the rulebook. As bad as some of the officiating D3 sees, HS football is far, far worse.

You know, there are HS officials on these boards. And some them would tell you to STFU.

And those would be the ones that know the rules which there are many. Doesn't change the facts that not all have the same dedication and commitment that others do. So sling names all you want. The facts won't change.

[hazzben]

Then you don't watch much HS football. Those guys don't get paid much, let alone enough to study the rulebook. As bad as some of the officiating D3 sees, HS football is far, far worse.

You know, there are HS officials on these boards. And some them would tell you to STFU.

Agreed!

USee, you can try to back off the comment, but your original statement was a sweeping generalization of HS officials. Officiating in general is an incredibly thankless job. Outside of D1, they often don't/barely cover their travel costs. They officiate for love of the game. They do far more to contribute than we ever will on these message boards.

[KitchenSink]

Thank you, hazz. Nicely stated.

[emma17]

Thanks to those speaking on behalf of refs. My group of has-been friends consists of 5 wearing the stripes. To a man they are dedicated to doing the best they can for the game.

Happy Thanksgiving all.

[USee]

Then you don't watch much HS football. Those guys don't get paid much, let alone enough to study the rulebook. As bad as some of the officiating D3 sees, HS football is far, far worse.

You know, there are HS officials on these boards. And some them would tell you to STFU.

Agreed!

USee, you can try to back off the comment, but your original statement was a sweeping generalization of HS officials. Officiating in general is an incredibly thankless job. Outside of D1, they often don't/barely cover their travel costs. They officiate for love of the game. They do far more to contribute than we ever will on these message boards.

I am not backing off any statement. I officiated HS basketball for years and know many, many HS officials for football and basketball. I made a statement that, given the low pay, many HS officials don't have the experience and time to know all nuances of the rules and that reality affects outcomes. That's a sweeping fact. We saw that in the Fenwick result  and unfortunately there are many more examples that don't get publicized.  There are a lot of officials who do a great job and are very dedicated to the game but that's not the topic here. Emma17 said there is no risk of HS officials not knowing the rules and I replied based on my experience.

You guys are offended by facts, so be it. Sorry. It's not my opinion and it wasn't directed at the many that do a great job. There just aren't enough of them.

[bleedpurple]

Some random questions as I prep for Saturday.
-Does Johns Hopkins have enough D to beat Mt?
-Does St. John's have enough O to beat UWO?
-Will Witt's QB be more effective against UWW than Lakeland's?
-Can Coe play physical enough to have a chance at St. Thomas?
-Is this late developing Wesley team near the caliber of previous semi-finalists?
-Will NCC need to be able to run the ball to win this rematch?
-Am I wrong to think Linfield players and coaches will succeed in preventing Blake Jackson from leading UMHB to victory?
-I don't know much about Alfred or WNE, but I hope one of them comes out of this game as a serious threat to their next opponent.

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

Here are quick and not completely thought through answers to your random questions:

-Does Johns Hopkins have enough D to beat Mt? If Mount's Stagg Bowl string goes down in flames, it won't be because of  Johns Hopkins.
-Does St. John's have enough O to beat UWO?  They have to run it some. One dimensional won't cut it against the Titans. I'm going to guess they have trouble witih UW-O at the line of scrimmage.
-Will Witt's QB be more effective against UWW than Lakeland's? No. I believe Witt will play it really conservatively.
-Can Coe play physical enough to have a chance at St. Thomas?- No
-Is this late developing Wesley team near the caliber of previous semi-finalists? Well, Wesley has been in one semi-final in the last four years and they gave up 70. If you go back to 05, they are 0-5  in the semi's with only one loss being by less than 17 points (2011 when they pushed Mount in a 28-21 loss).  So, I'd imagine the answer to your question is yes.
-Will NCC need to be able to run the ball to win this rematch? At least a little bit. Their passing game is lights out, but everything I have read indicates the Wheaton D-Line is playing at a high level. They will probably have to slow them down at least a bit with the run.
-Am I wrong to think Linfield players and coaches will succeed in preventing Blake Jackson from leading UMHB to victory? I expect Linfield to win. This is the time of year when UMHB misfires just enough to lose.  Of course, I'm probably the only person on earth expecting another UW-W/Mount Stagg Bowl.
-I don't know much about Alfred or WNE, but I hope one of them comes out of this game as a serious threat to their next opponent. You really don't know much about them do you?