FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[02 Warhawk]

When I think of the term "one year wonder" I see a team that isn't even competitive after a successful season.  To view UWO's 2013 and 2014 seasons in that light would be inaccurate.  However if you see the playoffs as the main/only measuring stick, then I can understand why you think that. 

All I will say is that I'm sure Whitewater players/coaches/fans were "happy" to know they didn't have to worry about facing UWO again in either of those National Championship runs.  Would that be a fair statement?

I agree with your first statement. No way am I saying they weren't "competitive"....of course they were competitive. They just run out of brothers with the last name of Wara after 2012 (thank god) . Wara was the perfect QB for coach Smith's read option offense when he was there.

In your second statement, are you talking about UWW seeing UWO again later in the playoffs? If so, I don't think that would have been any harder than who they usually face (St. Thomas, MHB or Linfield). Pick your poison.

[cubs]

All I will say is that I'm sure Whitewater players/coaches/fans were "happy" to know they didn't have to worry about facing UWO again in either of those National Championship runs.  Would that be a fair statement?

In your second statement, are you talking about UWW seeing UWO again later in the playoffs? If so, I don't think that would have been any harder than who they usually face (St. Thomas, MHB or Linfield). Pick your poison.

I was thinking more along the lines of an "early" playoff game (like Round #2) like the St. John's/St. Thomas game in 2015 (which could have also happened in 2014 if not for Wartburg beating St. Thomas) and the potential UWO vs Platteville game last year that didn't happen after St. John's beat Platteville. 

Just something about facing a fellow conference opponent "early" in the playoffs that seems more difficult....  Maybe it's not truly an accurate statement and it only seems that way however??

[emma17]

This is off subject, but news as Kumerow got a workout at New England. I'm hoping he gets signed.
Catching passes from Brady. Almost as good as catching passes from Behrendt.
https://247sports.com/Bolt/New-England-Patriots-workout-Jake-Kumerow-and-Marquez-Williams-109465352

[emma17]

Cubs, if you're looking for some sort of confirmation that UWO is really good since 2011 or so, I'll throw my support in for you.
In fact I think in some immeasurable way I'm partially responsible for their sucees as I loudly tooted their up and coming status- their players and coaches must have gained great confidence reading those posts. 

As for your opinion of UWW not wanting to play UWO early in the playoffs, that's what lesser teams always say. Now that UWO is on top, get that thought process out of your head.

[badgerwarhawk]

All I will say is that I'm sure Whitewater players/coaches/fans were "happy" to know they didn't have to worry about facing UWO again in either of those National Championship runs.  Would that be a fair statement?

In your second statement, are you talking about UWW seeing UWO again later in the playoffs? If so, I don't think that would have been any harder than who they usually face (St. Thomas, MHB or Linfield). Pick your poison.

I was thinking more along the lines of an "early" playoff game (like Round #2) like the St. John's/St. Thomas game in 2015 (which could have also happened in 2014 if not for Wartburg beating St. Thomas) and the potential UWO vs Platteville game last year that didn't happen after St. John's beat Platteville. 

Just something about facing a fellow conference opponent "early" in the playoffs that seems more difficult....  Maybe it's not truly an accurate statement and it only seems that way however??

Facing a conference opponent twice at any point in the season is difficult.  I think our programs learned that when that was happening a few years ago.

[cubs]

As for your opinion of UWW not wanting to play UWO early in the playoffs, that's what lesser teams always say. Now that UWO is on top, get that thought process out of your head.

Obviously I used UWO/Whitewater in my example, but I think you could change the teams and the point would remain the same... 

Again, maybe I am wrong, but for example if I am North Central/Illinois Wesleyan/Wheaton I would much rather play my second game against an IIAC/MIAC/WIAC opponent then a fellow conference opponent .  Like I said, maybe that is just me and not what the majority would say though?

[HScoach]

As for your opinion of UWW not wanting to play UWO early in the playoffs, that's what lesser teams always say. Now that UWO is on top, get that thought process out of your head.

Obviously I used UWO/Whitewater in my example, but I think you could change the teams and the point would remain the same... 

Again, maybe I am wrong, but for example if I am North Central/Illinois Wesleyan/Wheaton I would much rather play my second game against an IIAC/MIAC/WIAC opponent then a fellow conference opponent .  Like I said, maybe that is just me and not what the majority would say though?

I'm not sure I agree with making this kind of general statement.   I think this only applies if you were fortunate to win the first meeting.   If you're the better team and/or have the advantage in coaching then the 2nd game should be easier than the first one.   

I'm not sure wishing for a MIAC/WIAC opponent has historically been a good idea.   

[emma17]

This is off subject, but news as Kumerow got a workout at New England. I'm hoping he gets signed.
Catching passes from Brady. Almost as good as catching passes from Behrendt.
https://247sports.com/Bolt/New-England-Patriots-workout-Jake-Kumerow-and-Marquez-Williams-109465352

Jake Kumerow signed to Patriot's practice squad. I think it's kind of cool they don't refer to D3 in the article.

http://www.patriots.com/news/2017/10/26/patriots-sign-wr-jake-kumerow-practice-squad-release-dl-mike-purcell-practice-squad

[emma17]

As for your opinion of UWW not wanting to play UWO early in the playoffs, that's what lesser teams always say. Now that UWO is on top, get that thought process out of your head.

Obviously I used UWO/Whitewater in my example, but I think you could change the teams and the point would remain the same... 

Again, maybe I am wrong, but for example if I am North Central/Illinois Wesleyan/Wheaton I would much rather play my second game against an IIAC/MIAC/WIAC opponent then a fellow conference opponent .  Like I said, maybe that is just me and not what the majority would say though?

I'm not sure I agree with making this kind of general statement.   I think this only applies if you were fortunate to win the first meeting.   If you're the better team and/or have the advantage in coaching then the 2nd game should be easier than the first one.   

I'm not sure wishing for a MIAC/WIAC opponent has historically been a good idea.

Cubs I get your point in general, but like HScoach said, it's a bit too general. Yes, the CCIW winner would likely prefer the IIAC winner over a conference rematch, but not likely MIAC or WIAC. Can you think of conference rematches that took place in the playoffs where the winner of the conference game didn't prevail? Obviously we have the 2015 UWW - UWO example where UWO won regular season but lost in a playoff shootout, that was a third round game and both games were very close. Are there other examples?

In the rare case where one conference has two national championship quality teams, sure I wouldn't want them meeting early (before round 3). IMO there hasn't been a conference with two legitimate top 4 teams in many years. Maybe this would be an interesting discussion.

[wally_wabash]

In the rare case where one conference has two national championship quality teams, sure I wouldn't want them meeting early (before round 3). IMO there hasn't been a conference with two legitimate top 4 teams in many years. Maybe this would be an interesting discussion.

I think Platteville is in play for a #1 seed, which would keep them away from Oshkosh (hypothetically) until at least the semis. 

[emma17]

In the rare case where one conference has two national championship quality teams, sure I wouldn't want them meeting early (before round 3). IMO there hasn't been a conference with two legitimate top 4 teams in many years. Maybe this would be an interesting discussion.

I think Platteville is in play for a #1 seed, which would keep them away from Oshkosh (hypothetically) until at least the semis.

Interesting. I assume you're thinking of St. T, Linfield, UWP, St. J's and H-S all with one loss and competing with each other for the 4th #1 seed?
This season has provided intrigue.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't consider UWP as a top 4 team in the country. They can prove me wrong tomorrow and against UWW. 

[wally_wabash]

In the rare case where one conference has two national championship quality teams, sure I wouldn't want them meeting early (before round 3). IMO there hasn't been a conference with two legitimate top 4 teams in many years. Maybe this would be an interesting discussion.

I think Platteville is in play for a #1 seed, which would keep them away from Oshkosh (hypothetically) until at least the semis.

Interesting. I assume you're thinking of St. T, Linfield, UWP, St. J's and H-S all with one loss and competing with each other for the 4th #1 seed?
This season has provided intrigue.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't consider UWP as a top 4 team in the country. They can prove me wrong tomorrow and against UWW.

I think St. John's is out because they can't get ahead of St. Thomas.  Linfield may be in play.  Certainly two undefeated teams in the East region are in play- Delaware Valley and Brockport.  Wartburg is a sleeper if they can get to 10-0.  I'm very interested to see where Wartburg is ranked on Wednesday relative to St. Thomas, UWP, and Linfield. 

Results vs. common opponents is a secondary criteria, which really helps Platteville thanks to the UW-Stout intersection with St. Thomas.  I think if I had to rank these teams in the West right now the order would be:
UW-P
Linfield
St. Thomas
Wartburg
St. John's


But Wartburg is very upward mobile if Monmouth becomes a ranked team.  Lack of RRO results is the thing really holding Wartburg back at the moment. 

[wally_wabash]

Welp.

[Just Bill]

Welp.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[badgerwarhawk]

In the rare case where one conference has two national championship quality teams, sure I wouldn't want them meeting early (before round 3). IMO there hasn't been a conference with two legitimate top 4 teams in many years. Maybe this would be an interesting discussion.

I think Platteville is in play for a #1 seed, which would keep them away from Oshkosh (hypothetically) until at least the semis. 

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