FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Jack Parkman]

FWIW 5dimes has the following lines on the two semifinal games:

UMU -7.5 with the O/U at 65.5
UMHB -15 with the O/U at 43.5

[WW]

FWIW 5dimes has the following lines on the two semifinal games:

UMU -7.5 with the O/U at 65.5
UMHB -15 with the O/U at 43.5

Wow. Gimme UWO and the under

[bleedpurple]

Jk and WW, thanks for the interesting stats and objective approach.

WW, you use the phrase "demand a greyshirt season".
I don't get this. As I understand it, the coach would simply tell the freshman athlete that he either won't make the team or if he does make it, he won't really play. The coach can then explain the concept of greyshirting, but where does the "demand" come in? Is the coach telling the student-athlete that if he wants to make the team as a sophomore, he better commit to attending school for at least 4.5 years

Yeah, they make it pretty clear. There is no "option" to join the. team as a freshman. I can't speak for all the WIAC schools but I'm very familiar with the process for three of them.

If you are correct and schools operate this way (UW-W does not), certainly they reveal this to student-athletes when they recruit them. If the S-A doesn't like it, he is free to choose another school. A program isn't going to have a "no option for a freshman to join the team" philosophy and hide that from recruits. That would invite attrition.  Year after year of freshman classes who feel they are deceived does not sound like a great way to run a program.

[Desertraider]

Regardless, there is no point in greyshirting at many schools. You are going to graduate before you get to that 5th year. But at public schools, it is harder to graduate in 4 years and greyshirting, especially with the roster limits in the WIAC and NJAC, becomes an intriguing option. Is it worth it? I have no idea.

I don't know that it's harder to graduate from a public school in 4 years. I think that statistics show a higher graduation rate for private schools because they weed out the students that would drag that average down with their tuition/scholarship structure.

"Is it worth it?" Hmm. You're a recruit and the reality you're presently faced with in the WIAC is accept the grayshirt season and have a realistic chance to compete for a national championship. OR.... attend a WIAC school that doesn't demand a grayshirt season and have the opportunity to play sooner, and graduate in four years. What do you want from your collegiate athletic experience?

It is a bit harder for Public in 4 years. Some classes are only offered once a year and even if offered once a term they normally cap enrollment. Even with preference given to Seniors and majors - if you have a cap on a class at 30 or even 40 with some but you have 120 that need it...some won't get in. It does happen. More often than people think. Even at Privates it is getting harder due to shrinking enrollment. As a result schools are trimming course offerings - yes they cancel basket weaving  first but even classes such as IR or Comparative Foreign Policy get scaled back to 1 offering per academic year. I had a term with my IR course - required for IR majors in Political Science - capped at 30 and had 20 on a wait list. 6 on the wait list were Seniors that had to either get permission for Ind Study or take next time offered - the next year. 

[edward de vere]

Perhaps - and I'm just spitballing here - an administrative position or two could be cut and a teaching position or two added.

Just a thought.

[bleedpurple]

Perhaps - and I'm just spitballing here - an administrative position or two could be cut and a teaching position or two added.

Just a thought.

Let's not go crazy here. Through a combination of work ethic, burning the candle at both ends, focus, and determination, I was able to graduate from UW-W in six years. Never once missed out on a class i cared about.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Perhaps - and I'm just spitballing here - an administrative position or two could be cut and a teaching position or two added.

Just a thought.

Policy and hiring decisions are done by administrators, not faculty.  Tuition (and other costs) are not only outstripping general payroll results, but faculty earnings as well.  They result primarily from fancy buildings and amenities (to attract more tuition dollars), and growth (both in numbers and pay) of administrators.  Expecting administrators to cut administrative positions in favor of faculty positions is the wildest sort of fantasy.

[bleedpurple]

Perhaps - and I'm just spitballing here - an administrative position or two could be cut and a teaching position or two added.

Just a thought.

Policy and hiring decisions are done by administrators, not faculty.  Tuition (and other costs) are not only outstripping general payroll results, but faculty earnings as well.  They result primarily from fancy buildings and amenities (to attract more tuition dollars), and growth (both in numbers and pay) of administrators.  Expecting administrators to cut administrative positions in favor of faculty positions is the wildest sort of fantasy.

Not that I didn't track with every single word you typed, but how in the world can you have over 6,300 combined positive and negative karma hits and have them be split so evenly?

[Desertraider]

Perhaps - and I'm just spitballing here - an administrative position or two could be cut and a teaching position or two added.

Just a thought.

Policy and hiring decisions are done by administrators, not faculty.  Tuition (and other costs) are not only outstripping general payroll results, but faculty earnings as well.  They result primarily from fancy buildings and amenities (to attract more tuition dollars), and growth (both in numbers and pay) of administrators.  Expecting administrators to cut administrative positions in favor of faculty positions is the wildest sort of fantasy.

True, true Mr. Ypsi. I remember at U Akron (before they unionized the faculty) they had built 5 or 6 new buildings, upgraded several more, built 3 parking decks, added green space and a soccer field and on and on - but the faculty raises got pushed back for 6th consecutive year. A few faculty members saw the Pres and several others having lunch and said "the buildings look great - wonder how they will look with no faculty to teach in them". Choices.

[Desertraider]

Back to football. UWO - I wish you the best of luck (and truly hope you lose badly  ) tomorrow. Regardless of outcome I believe the the winner tomorrow wins it all (no offense to UMHB). So here's to a clean and injury free encounter. Cheers - oh and since I am not in WI any longer someone eat some curds for me!!

[Desertraider]

Perhaps - and I'm just spitballing here - an administrative position or two could be cut and a teaching position or two added.

Just a thought.

Policy and hiring decisions are done by administrators, not faculty.  Tuition (and other costs) are not only outstripping general payroll results, but faculty earnings as well.  They result primarily from fancy buildings and amenities (to attract more tuition dollars), and growth (both in numbers and pay) of administrators.  Expecting administrators to cut administrative positions in favor of faculty positions is the wildest sort of fantasy.

Not that I didn't track with every single word you typed, but how in the world can you have over 6,300 combined positive and negative karma hits and have them be split so evenly?

He is also "Mrs. Ypsi" and smites/applauds himself from another computer. Just one draw back from a split personality

[Mr. Ypsi]

Perhaps - and I'm just spitballing here - an administrative position or two could be cut and a teaching position or two added.

Just a thought.

Policy and hiring decisions are done by administrators, not faculty.  Tuition (and other costs) are not only outstripping general payroll results, but faculty earnings as well.  They result primarily from fancy buildings and amenities (to attract more tuition dollars), and growth (both in numbers and pay) of administrators.  Expecting administrators to cut administrative positions in favor of faculty positions is the wildest sort of fantasy.

Not that I didn't track with every single word you typed, but how in the world can you have over 6,300 combined positive and negative karma hits and have them be split so evenly?

A YUGE percentage of the negatives came from being the lonely liberal on the late, unlamented Politics board!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Perhaps - and I'm just spitballing here - an administrative position or two could be cut and a teaching position or two added.

Just a thought.

Policy and hiring decisions are done by administrators, not faculty.  Tuition (and other costs) are not only outstripping general payroll results, but faculty earnings as well.  They result primarily from fancy buildings and amenities (to attract more tuition dollars), and growth (both in numbers and pay) of administrators.  Expecting administrators to cut administrative positions in favor of faculty positions is the wildest sort of fantasy.

Not that I didn't track with every single word you typed, but how in the world can you have over 6,300 combined positive and negative karma hits and have them be split so evenly?

He is also "Mrs. Ypsi" and smites/applauds himself from another computer. Just one draw back from a split personality

A good thing Mrs. Y doesn't read this board.  She might track you down and ...

[edward de vere]

We thought Mrs. Y was the other half of your split personality.

[edward de vere]

Perhaps - and I'm just spitballing here - an administrative position or two could be cut and a teaching position or two added.

Just a thought.

Policy and hiring decisions are done by administrators, not faculty.  Tuition (and other costs) are not only outstripping general payroll results, but faculty earnings as well.  They result primarily from fancy buildings and amenities (to attract more tuition dollars), and growth (both in numbers and pay) of administrators.  Expecting administrators to cut administrative positions in favor of faculty positions is the wildest sort of fantasy.

Of all this I am extremely aware.

There was an article making the rounds a year or two ago; Pat Coleman might be aware of it.  It was about the administrative positions in the Minnesota higher education system.  (And it's hardly an outlier.)  Made you want to grab the nearest flamethrower.