FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[WW]

Oshkosh gets five on the preseason All America team, including two first-teamers. By my count that's the most in D3 -- Brockport next with four. Guess I shouldn't give up on the Titans yet.

Whitewater has two, River Falls and Platteville with one apiece.

UWO gets two on Defense. I would have thought there'd be a mandatory 10-game waiting period for any player on a D that gave up a 35-10 3rd quarter lead.   
Todarello made it as special teams but I imagine he'll be a big part of the O, along with the semi final invisible man Gerhartz, (only three carries vs Mt, 43 (td), 7 and 23 yards).

Heh...

With two O lineman on that list, Todarello and Gerhartz returning and good depth at RB, UWO looks to hit the ground running. Not nearly as deep at WR, however, and a new QB always comes with questions -- even if it's Duranso. He's gonna be really good, IMO. And they got three years left of him -- yikes.

It doesn't sound like Mentkowski caught on anywhere after Jags rookie camp... did he?

I think it's time for UWO to assume it's proper place in the WIAC pecking order- battling UWP and maybe UWL for second place.

I'm gonna hold off on my WIAC prediction till I hear some news out of camps and scrimmages but I gotta think UWO will be at the top. That said, UWW is better positioned schedule-wise to reach the playoffs than it was a year ago. C-M at home is gonna be big -- they gotta hold serve. Will the Middle Georgia game even count? Whether it does or not, at least it won't be a loss.

[Pat Coleman]

No, games against club teams count for nothing.

[emma17]

No, games against club teams count for nothing.

That's what the Longest Yard prison guards thought too. UWW won't fall for that ol trap.

[02 Warhawk]

Can freshmen play in that game, and not lose eligibility? Who technically aren't part of the roster

[WW]

Can freshmen play in that game, and not lose eligibility? Who technically aren't part of the roster

If you mean greyshirted freshmen, that won't happen. Eligibility gets burned by participating in practices, not by playing time. Freshmen who are on the roster will use a year of eligibility whether they play or not.

[02 Warhawk]

Can freshmen play in that game, and not lose eligibility? Who technically aren't part of the roster

If you mean greyshirted freshmen, that won't happen. Eligibility gets burned by participating in practices, not by playing time. Freshmen who are on the roster will use a year of eligibility whether they play or not.

That makes sense. Then absolutely nothing good will come from that game then. I wouldn't even consider it "good experience". The only possible take away from this is injuries....with nothing on the line.

What a dumb game.

[WW]

Can freshmen play in that game, and not lose eligibility? Who technically aren't part of the roster

If you mean greyshirted freshmen, that won't happen. Eligibility gets burned by participating in practices, not by playing time. Freshmen who are on the roster will use a year of eligibility whether they play or not.

That makes sense. Then absolutely nothing good will come from that game then. I wouldn't even consider it "good experience". The only possible take away from this is injuries....with nothing on the line.

What a dumb game.

Agree. Plus it'll probably cost five figures to get that team up here. At least Oshkosh got to count a W with their game against Lynchburg last year.

[palum]

P-ville's Dan Arnold making news in Saints camp

https://www.facebook.com/FletcherMackelTV/videos/2640266032666238/UzpfSTEyOTMzOTEzNzEyNTk5MjoxODg5NDA2OTg3Nzg1ODU2/

[emma17]

Can freshmen play in that game, and not lose eligibility? Who technically aren't part of the roster

If you mean greyshirted freshmen, that won't happen. Eligibility gets burned by participating in practices, not by playing time. Freshmen who are on the roster will use a year of eligibility whether they play or not.

Hold on, I thought eligibility was based on games participated in?

[Pat Coleman]

Once you participate in a single practice beyond the first game, you have used a season of eligibility, unless you qualify for a medical hardship season.

Redshirting on the definition you might be thinking of was voted out by D-III members about 15 years ago.

[bleedpurple]

P-ville's Dan Arnold making news in Saints camp

https://www.facebook.com/FletcherMackelTV/videos/2640266032666238/UzpfSTEyOTMzOTEzNzEyNTk5MjoxODg5NDA2OTg3Nzg1ODU2/

That's awesome!  Jake Kumerow doing the same up in Green Bay!

https://twitter.com/ZachHeilprin/status/1024368287214456832

[WaHooWa]

Redshirting on the definition you might be thinking of was voted out by D-III members about 15 years ago.

The new "unofficial" term is greyshirt.  Don't show up on the roster = Don't use a season of eligibility.  Don't practice with team, but can workout and get bigger, faster, stronger.

[Oline89]

Redshirting on the definition you might be thinking of was voted out by D-III members about 15 years ago.

The new "unofficial" term is greyshirt.  Don't show up on the roster = Don't use a season of eligibility.  Don't practice with team, but can workout and get bigger, faster, stronger.

I knew about the redshirt being a D1 and D2 option only. Trying to get my head around this "greyshirt" concept. These kids are Freshman and have already made a decision that college will take at least 4 1/2 years to complete?  Is this an unofficial option offered by coaches?

[WaHooWa]

They can "greyshirt" at any time, I've seen Jr's / Sr's take them.  When teams bring 140-150 kids into pre-season camp, they have an expectation to get their roster down to a more manageable number.  Natural attrition due to injury / desire / lack of talent will take 50% off the table.  Most teams will try to get down to 100-110 players for the regular season, so can expect 15-20 to end up greyshirt-ing.  Of those that greyshirt -- my educated guess is that only 50% of those ever play football again.  They start enjoying the "college life" and the rest is history.

[WW]

Greyshirting fits some schools better than others. Platteville, for example -- the engineering kids are looking at 5 years there anyway. Point, on the other hand, tells you from the start you'll be in and out of there in 4, unless you choose otherwise.

The other big recent change in the whole greyshirt dynamic is WIAC roster limits. I forget what it was -- 106 maybe? -- but those schools that brought in 140-150 kids, by rule, had to get down to 106. Greyshirting is a tool to help get them there, and in many cases it works to a kid's benefit. A freshman O lineman who comes in at 250 lbs, for example, might as well be spending his first fall just in the weight room (and cafeteria) anyway. Without roster limits, however, it sounds like some schools greyshirt less than they did previously.

I agree on WaHoo's estimate on greyshirts who end up reporting the following year. Half sounds about right. Greyshirting may as well be a cut for many of them. But for others, it's a chance to rehab an injury and not burn a season. Lots of kids are at state schools for 4 1/2 years anyway. Privates, due to cost and aid/scholarship structure, will see a far smaller incidence of greyshirting.