FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[bleedpurple]

Here's one for ya:

Why did UWW take a knee to run out the clock in a victory...from the pistol formation? I've never seen such an asinine play. Well, they did at La Crosse last week. After that, nothing they do or don't do on offense will surprise me anymore. On second thought, taking a knee from the pistol formation is the second most asinine thing to report today...first by a landslide, trumps presidential wireless emergency alert system test notification.

I don't know that this applies 100 percent to UWW, but if you use pistol exclusively, why would you do something that you are unfamiliar with, a direct snap, to put the game away? The direct snap may be more of a risky play in that sense than a pistol snap.

I think you probably hit the UW-W reasoning spot on.  You've got to appreciate the intensity of Whitewater fans, though. Even with a 23 point lead and the team in victory formation, no scenario is too small for some good old fashioned hand wringing.

[Just the stats]

Here's one for ya:

Why did UWW take a knee to run out the clock in a victory...from the pistol formation? I've never seen such an asinine play. Well, they did at La Crosse last week. After that, nothing they do or don't do on offense will surprise me anymore. On second thought, taking a knee from the pistol formation is the second most asinine thing to report today...first by a landslide, trumps presidential wireless emergency alert system test notification.

I don't know that this applies 100 percent to UWW, but if you use pistol exclusively, why would you do something that you are unfamiliar with, a direct snap, to put the game away? The direct snap may be more of a risky play in that sense than a pistol snap.

I think you probably hit the UW-W reasoning spot on.  You've got to appreciate the intensity of Whitewater fans, though. Even with a 23 point lead and the team in victory formation, no scenario is too small for some good old fashioned hand wringing.

OK, that's pretty funny! Thanks for the laugh today.

[bleedpurple]

There is this often repeated concept that a non coach can't possibly know more about football than a current coach. It may very well be true that I don't know more than any or all of the current UWW coaches, it may also be false, for all you know.
I will grant that current coaches certainly know more about the current players on the team, their practice results and other "insider" information. I just don't buy the argument that the title of "coach" somehow makes their approach/processes/decisions/philosophy beyond question. 

I want this coaching staff to give these players the absolute best chance to win the Stagg Bowl. That's all there is to it.

if I interpret this correctly, for all I know, you may know more about football than all of the UW-W coaches.   I am interested in your opinion on this.  Because just from your phraseology, it appears that you are very confident in your football knowledge. Maybe that's just style of communication and maybe that's confidence.  Obviously, you don't know the entire staff well enough to be able to answer a yes or no question with any certainty. So, what about this?  Based on everything you know (about football and about the staff), what do you think the likelihood is that you know more about football than all of the UW-W coaches?  Definitely, Very Likely, Likely, Unlikely, Very Unlikely, or Definitely not?

[bleedpurple]

Here's one for ya:

Why did UWW take a knee to run out the clock in a victory...from the pistol formation? I've never seen such an asinine play. Well, they did at La Crosse last week. After that, nothing they do or don't do on offense will surprise me anymore. On second thought, taking a knee from the pistol formation is the second most asinine thing to report today...first by a landslide, trumps presidential wireless emergency alert system test notification.

I don't know that this applies 100 percent to UWW, but if you use pistol exclusively, why would you do something that you are unfamiliar with, a direct snap, to put the game away? The direct snap may be more of a risky play in that sense than a pistol snap.

I think you probably hit the UW-W reasoning spot on.  You've got to appreciate the intensity of Whitewater fans, though. Even with a 23 point lead and the team in victory formation, no scenario is too small for some good old fashioned hand wringing.

OK, that's pretty funny! Thanks for the laugh today.

Finally, somebody understands me!!

[badgerwarhawk]

Emma,

On my never ending quest to figure out how your brain works, I have a serious question for you.  If Alex Peete had broken off 4 or 5 runs of 20 or more yards so far this year, which UW-W "shortcoming" would you be focused on right now?

In no particular order:
Why is there no motion or pre-snap shifts by the O? This is offensive coordinator number 2 under Coach Bullis that has scrapped that aspect of the previous championship teams. Maybe, just maybe, motion and shifting gives UWW the numerical advantage every now and then, along w the possibility of the slightest alignment confusion by the D, and maybe, just maybe, UWW running backs might have just a slightly greater chance of breaking longer runs.

Why doesn’t the offense use more shorter passing routes like slants, crossing, outs and tight end routes? Again, all plays used very effectively two OC’s ago.

Bombs are fun, but completion percentage is low and once UWW faces more athletic defensive backs, the percentage will get lower.

Why doesn’t UWW employ the hurry-up offense more consistently?

After UWO I’ll probably have more.

This team is far from perfect. It's ok to voice some concerns, and ask questions why things are done a certain way. I don't blame emma.

Of course you don't. It's all good. Emma is just trying to help. I think the answer to every one of his questions is the same. It's because no one is as smart as he is. I'm just trying to read his posts, absorb as much as I can, and try to keep up. I'll enjoy the fact we are 4-0 and you guys can evaluate, wring your hands, and ask questions that no one on a message board can or will answer.  We all enjoy football differently, just try to have fun among all your angst.

Hey, isn't that entrapment? I answer your "serious question" and you ridicule me- why do you do me that way? Unless of course you truly feel I'm the smartest man, which, if that's your opinion, you're entitled to it.
     

Our agreement regarding emoticons just masked my playful intent, that's all. Just a little ribbing about your ability to express your opinions and concerns in a way that could lead the unsuspecting reader to the conclusion that you believe you know more about football than the UW-W coaches.

Understood on the emoticons.

There is this often repeated concept that a non coach can't possibly know more about football than a current coach. It may very well be true that I don't know more than any or all of the current UWW coaches, it may also be false, for all you know.
I will grant that current coaches certainly know more about the current players on the team, their practice results and other "insider" information. I just don't buy the argument that the title of "coach" somehow makes their approach/processes/decisions/philosophy beyond question. 

I want this coaching staff to give these players the absolute best chance to win the Stagg Bowl. That's all there is to it.

Do you seriously and sincerely believe that this isn't what our staff is attempting to accomplish and just has a different idea of how to go about it than yourself?  The people who work with these athletes day in and day out for literally years.  I fully recognize your right to an opinion but I have to admit this one really bothers me.  The implication of your comment is that our staff isn't.  I think that's way off base. 

I had another word rather than "way off base" but I didn't want to take the chance it would offend you.

[emma17]

To Bleed, BW and Just the Stats:
Bleed- we'd have to get into defining "knowledge of football", which will get too complicated. Put another way, I'm definitely sure I would be a more productive coach than at least one coach on the UWW staff. I'm definitely sure I could not beat any of the UWW coaches in a quiz on current terminology, substitution patterns, practice regimen, video techniques used for film study and that sort.

BW- In no way am I suggesting the current staff doesn't want the best for the players. You have a habit of reading into things. What I do believe is a staff can have the absolute best of intentions for the team, but simply not have the best understanding/plan/philosophy to make it happen. Trying hard isn't the answer.

Just the Stats- Although I understand your point that UWW is most comfortable in pistol, which means a shotgun snap, I don't agree that's necessarily the best answer as to why to use it. It's simple, two things can go wrong in shotgun, bad snap or dropped snap. We saw both happen last year. Yes, we also saw problems with direct snap. That said, and it's just my opinion, it's a coaching issue. I simply cannot accept the explanation that Cole is bad under center and therefore, we will only shotgun. There are many scenarios we can all imagine that a direct snap is very beneficial. Cole should practice taking direct snaps until his hands bleed.

[bleedpurple]

I'm definitely sure I would be a more productive coach than at least one coach on the UWW staff.

You are a piece of work, brother.

[BoBo]

Emma,

On my never ending quest to figure out how your brain works, I have a serious question for you.  If Alex Peete had broken off 4 or 5 runs of 20 or more yards so far this year, which UW-W "shortcoming" would you be focused on right now?

In no particular order:
Why is there no motion or pre-snap shifts by the O? This is offensive coordinator number 2 under Coach Bullis that has scrapped that aspect of the previous championship teams. Maybe, just maybe, motion and shifting gives UWW the numerical advantage every now and then, along w the possibility of the slightest alignment confusion by the D, and maybe, just maybe, UWW running backs might have just a slightly greater chance of breaking longer runs.

Why doesn't the offense use more shorter passing routes like slants, crossing, outs and tight end routes? Again, all plays used very effectively two OC's ago.

Bombs are fun, but completion percentage is low and once UWW faces more athletic defensive backs, the percentage will get lower.

Why doesn't UWW employ the hurry-up offense more consistently?

After UWO I'll probably have more.

Here's one for ya:

Why did UWW take a knee to run out the clock in a victory...from the pistol formation? I've never seen such an asinine play. Well, they did at La Crosse last week. After that, nothing they do or don't do on offense will surprise me anymore. On second thought, taking a knee from the pistol formation is the second most asinine thing to report today...first by a landslide, trumps presidential wireless emergency alert system test notification.

BTW, the passing game can't run more shorter pass routes like slants, etc. because they spend all of their short route quota on bubble screens.

Symptom of spoiled fan base: Complain about a play run out of victory formation.

Seriously bp? That wasn't the victory formation. A QB is under center in the victory formation. Wilber was three yards in the backfield - a modified pistol - when he took that snap. No QB in the history of football has EVER intentionally taken a snap that deep in the backfield to take a knee to end a game. Stupid play, too many things could go wrong with that...all of them bad...in a close game.

[BoBo]

Emma,

On my never ending quest to figure out how your brain works, I have a serious question for you.  If Alex Peete had broken off 4 or 5 runs of 20 or more yards so far this year, which UW-W "shortcoming" would you be focused on right now?

In no particular order:
Why is there no motion or pre-snap shifts by the O? This is offensive coordinator number 2 under Coach Bullis that has scrapped that aspect of the previous championship teams. Maybe, just maybe, motion and shifting gives UWW the numerical advantage every now and then, along w the possibility of the slightest alignment confusion by the D, and maybe, just maybe, UWW running backs might have just a slightly greater chance of breaking longer runs.

Why doesn't the offense use more shorter passing routes like slants, crossing, outs and tight end routes? Again, all plays used very effectively two OC's ago.

Bombs are fun, but completion percentage is low and once UWW faces more athletic defensive backs, the percentage will get lower.

Why doesn't UWW employ the hurry-up offense more consistently?

After UWO I'll probably have more.

Here's one for ya:

Why did UWW take a knee to run out the clock in a victory...from the pistol formation? I've never seen such an asinine play. Well, they did at La Crosse last week. After that, nothing they do or don't do on offense will surprise me anymore. On second thought, taking a knee from the pistol formation is the second most asinine thing to report today...first by a landslide, trumps presidential wireless emergency alert system test notification.

I don't know that this applies 100 percent to UWW, but if you use pistol exclusively, why would you do something that you are unfamiliar with, a direct snap, to put the game away? The direct snap may be more of a risky play in that sense than a pistol snap.

If that were true then why was the first time we've ever seen it done in the history of football was last week? And don't say it's because we got the smartest OC in the history of the game - because so far he's proven himself to be no smarter than a bag of hammers.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Careful, BoBo, I know some pretty damn smart hammers!

BTW, the wireless emergency alert system is not Trump's.  The law was first passed during W's term, but jurisdictions kept setting up mutually incompatible systems.  During the Obama administration, the INTEGRATED alert system was passed.  That was what was tested yesterday.  I haven't seen a report on how well it worked (we got beeps, but if there was a message, we didn't get it).

[BoBo]

Just the Stats- Although I understand your point that UWW is most comfortable in pistol, which means a shotgun snap, I don't agree that's necessarily the best answer as to why to use it. It's simple, two things can go wrong in shotgun, bad snap or dropped snap. We saw both happen last year. Yes, we also saw problems with direct snap. That said, and it's just my opinion, it's a coaching issue. I simply cannot accept the explanation that Cole is bad under center and therefore, we will only shotgun. There are many scenarios we can all imagine that a direct snap is very beneficial. Cole should practice taking direct snaps until his hands bleed.

I believe we first agreed to something like this his freshman year and every year since. It's still  amazing to me how a college QB can have hands like stone feet when he's up under center. AND his coaches don't seem to do anything to try to change that.

[BoBo]

Careful, BoBo, I know some pretty damn smart hammers!

BTW, the wireless emergency alert system is not Trump's.  The law was first passed during W's term, but jurisdictions kept setting up mutually incompatible systems.  During the Obama administration, the INTEGRATED alert system was passed.  That was what was tested yesterday.  I haven't seen a report on how well it worked (we got beeps, but if there was a message, we didn't get it).

Do you know any rocks? I got a message that I could have done without, but it was about 80 minutes later than it was suppose to be sent. So, in my view, it was a total waste of time. But the message I got said it was the Presidential wireless emergency test message. Trump's president so he owns it whether he wants it or not. I'm sure if it was successful he will claim it was a beautiful, wonderful test. If it fails, he'll say he has no relationship with it.

[Pat Coleman]

Careful, BoBo, I know some pretty damn smart hammers!

BTW, the wireless emergency alert system is not Trump's.  The law was first passed during W's term, but jurisdictions kept setting up mutually incompatible systems.  During the Obama administration, the INTEGRATED alert system was passed.  That was what was tested yesterday.  I haven't seen a report on how well it worked (we got beeps, but if there was a message, we didn't get it).

Do you know any rocks? I got a message that I could have done without, but it was about 80 minutes later than it was suppose to be sent. So, in my view, it was a total waste of time. But the message I got said it was the Presidential wireless emergency test message. Trump's president so he owns it whether he wants it or not. I'm sure if it was successful he will claim it was a beautiful, wonderful test. If it fails, he'll say he has no relationship with it.

Drawing the line here on politics talk. Thanks.

[Veracity]

Just the Stats- Although I understand your point that UWW is most comfortable in pistol, which means a shotgun snap, I don't agree that's necessarily the best answer as to why to use it. It's simple, two things can go wrong in shotgun, bad snap or dropped snap. We saw both happen last year. Yes, we also saw problems with direct snap. That said, and it's just my opinion, it's a coaching issue. I simply cannot accept the explanation that Cole is bad under center and therefore, we will only shotgun. There are many scenarios we can all imagine that a direct snap is very beneficial. Cole should practice taking direct snaps until his hands bleed.

I believe we first agreed to something like this his freshman year and every year since. It's still  amazing to me how a college QB can have hands like stone feet when he's up under center. AND his coaches don't seem to do anything to try to change that.

You really need to find something else BooBoo. All this bitching can't be healthy for you. I'm sure there is a needle point class down there in Florida that would love some of your constructive criticism.

[UWO Titan 78]

Seriously bp? That wasn't the victory formation. A QB is under center in the victory formation. Wilber was three yards in the backfield - a modified pistol - when he took that snap. No QB in the history of football has EVER intentionally taken a snap that deep in the backfield to take a knee to end a game. Stupid play, too many things could go wrong with that...all of them bad...in a close game.
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My son is the center for his high school team. We shotgun snap almost ever play. We have used this play where we shotgun the ball and kneel down at the end of games. I have seen other schools here in the area do it as well. I've never been in favor of it, but I've never seen it fail. The last several years we have struggled in the red zone. Our lineman play in a two-point stance, and zone block most plays. We're averaging over 50 points a game, so our offense is good. In the past we were really good in space, but struggled to move people off the ball as the field got tighter. This year we implemented a goal-line offense that has a jumbo package, and implements the direct snap. I will be honest, when I saw the QB under center the first time I was worried my son would screw up the direct snap, because he's only been snapping the shotgun for the last three years (he played tackle as a frosh and only took over snapping duties as a soph). They have probably run 10 plays under center. They've had no problems with the exchange and have scored a lot in the redzone this year.