FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[bleedpurple]

Interesting and Funny:
From a Buffalo News article prior to Saturday's UB-Toledo football game:

Familiar face, unfamiliar team: Toledo is the only MAC team UB coach Lance Leipold has yet to face in his four years at the helm. He is familiar with Toledo's coach, though, as the pair matched up against each other in the Division III championship game. Toledo coach Jason Candle was the offensive coordinator at Mount Union when the Purple Eagles met Leipold's Wisconsin-Whitewater Warhawks in the 2007 and 2008 title games.

That is awesome!   That needs to stick! 

[bluenote]

I'd like to see Whitewater go up against HSU or UMHB in the first round.  Like we always do... if we make the playoffs LOL 

[bleedpurple]

I'd like to see Whitewater go up against HSU or UMHB in the first round.  Like we always do... if we make the playoffs LOL 

That works. We'll show you how it's done.

[02 Warhawk]

I'd like to see Whitewater go up against HSU or UMHB in the first round.  Like we always do... if we make the playoffs LOL 

That works. We'll show you how it's done.

No chance MHB gets undefeated UWW in the first round as their reward for the #1 regional "seed". UWW getting HSU seems unlikely, but more plausible than UWW getting MHB in round one.

However, if Linfield does get a Pool C bid, a trip to UWW in their first round may seem more likely that UWW getting HSU or MHB.

[wally_wabash]

I'd like to see Whitewater go up against HSU or UMHB in the first round.  Like we always do... if we make the playoffs LOL 

That works. We'll show you how it's done.

No chance MHB gets undefeated UWW in the first round as their reward for the #1 regional "seed". UWW getting HSU seems unlikely, but more plausible than UWW getting MHB in round one.

However, if Linfield does get a Pool C bid, a trip to UWW in their first round may seem more likely that UWW getting HSU or MHB.

If Linfield gets in, they're going to Whitworth. 

[WW]

I see with under 10 minutes to go in the game, UWL was trailing UWO 17-13. The final was 24-13 for a pretty competitive game.
I'm inclined to think UWL is progressing this season. They have three losses- to D2 Dickenson State (6-2), UWW and UWO.
UWP lost to UWEC 40-16. UWP had 4 interceptions and 3 fumbles.
UWL gets UWP at home next Saturday.

Not sure so about the UW-L progression. They still can't run the ball. UW-0 outgained them by 120 yards. Competitive? Yes. Sign of significant progress? I'm not so sure.  Dickenson State is NAIA, not D-II. And one of their losses is to Waldorf. We should remember them....

UWL is guaranteed a worse W-L record this year compared to last, and they were certainly more competitive vs UWW in '17 than '18, and arguably more competitive vs UWO in '17 than '18. That's regression, not progression, at least in the immediate view of things.

But if you are taking a very macro view of things, I can see it. I still don't know exactly what to make of their incoming recruiting class. 81 just boggles my mind. Logic suggests you'll end up with twice as many kids who can actually play than the school that brings in 40. Maybe UWL brought in the bottom 40 that another WIAC wouldn't have recruited, but the UWL two-deep has 11 freshmen on it, so there's certainly some real quality in that quantity. (Whitewater, by comparison, has 0 freshmen on its current two-deep).

I think at worst, UWL will be knocking at the door as that youth grows up the next couple years. Wouldn't shock me if they bust it down.

[UWO Titan 78]

I don't think anyone would be shocked if LAX returned to prominence. When I played, LAX and Whitewater were viewed as the Michigan and Ohio State of the WIAC (WSUC). We all knew those were the two teams to beat. Whitewater's recent dominance is much like Ohio States in the Big 10. Lance was their version of Urban Meyer. The foundation he built has swung the tide to the Warhawks. But traditional powers are powers because of tradition. LAX has everything in place to return to their former glory. I hope they don't, and I hope my Titans continue to compete for the top spot in the conference.

[02 Warhawk]

I don't think anyone would be shocked if LAX returned to prominence. When I played, LAX and Whitewater were viewed as the Michigan and Ohio State of the WIAC (WSUC). We all knew those were the two teams to beat. Whitewater's recent dominance is much like Ohio States in the Big 10. Lance was their version of Urban Meyer. The foundation he built has swung the tide to the Warhawks. But traditional powers are powers because of tradition. LAX has everything in place to return to their former glory. I hope they don't, and I hope my Titans continue to compete for the top spot in the conference.

Urban wishes he has the success Lance did. 

(Boiler up!!!)

[bleedpurple]

I'd like to see Whitewater go up against HSU or UMHB in the first round.  Like we always do... if we make the playoffs LOL 

That works. We'll show you how it's done.

No chance MHB gets undefeated UWW in the first round as their reward for the #1 regional "seed". UWW getting HSU seems unlikely, but more plausible than UWW getting MHB in round one.

However, if Linfield does get a Pool C bid, a trip to UWW in their first round may seem more likely that UWW getting HSU or MHB.

Don't turn good old fashioned trash talking into serious dialogue 02. That's just annoying! 

[emma17]

I'd like to see Whitewater go up against HSU or UMHB in the first round.  Like we always do... if we make the playoffs LOL 

That works. We'll show you how it's done.

No chance MHB gets undefeated UWW in the first round as their reward for the #1 regional "seed". UWW getting HSU seems unlikely, but more plausible than UWW getting MHB in round one.

However, if Linfield does get a Pool C bid, a trip to UWW in their first round may seem more likely that UWW getting HSU or MHB.

Don't turn good old fashioned trash talking into serious dialogue 02. That's just annoying! 

You did set the stage for some good smack talk Bleed. I'm not too confident Bluenote is familiar with UWW's record vs UMHB.
*Not that past performance is a guaranty of future results.

[bluenote]

I'd like to see Whitewater go up against HSU or UMHB in the first round.  Like we always do... if we make the playoffs LOL 

That works. We'll show you how it's done.

You can just watch our film from Belton when we won there
or the Stage Bowl Champ game when we beat them.

[emma17]

I see with under 10 minutes to go in the game, UWL was trailing UWO 17-13. The final was 24-13 for a pretty competitive game.
I'm inclined to think UWL is progressing this season. They have three losses- to D2 Dickenson State (6-2), UWW and UWO.
UWP lost to UWEC 40-16. UWP had 4 interceptions and 3 fumbles.
UWL gets UWP at home next Saturday.

Not sure so about the UW-L progression. They still can't run the ball. UW-0 outgained them by 120 yards. Competitive? Yes. Sign of significant progress? I'm not so sure.  Dickenson State is NAIA, not D-II. And one of their losses is to Waldorf. We should remember them....

UWL is guaranteed a worse W-L record this year compared to last, and they were certainly more competitive vs UWW in '17 than '18, and arguably more competitive vs UWO in '17 than '18. That's regression, not progression, at least in the immediate view of things.

But if you are taking a very macro view of things, I can see it. I still don't know exactly what to make of their incoming recruiting class. 81 just boggles my mind. Logic suggests you'll end up with twice as many kids who can actually play than the school that brings in 40. Maybe UWL brought in the bottom 40 that another WIAC wouldn't have recruited, but the UWL two-deep has 11 freshmen on it, so there's certainly some real quality in that quantity. (Whitewater, by comparison, has 0 freshmen on its current two-deep).

I think at worst, UWL will be knocking at the door as that youth grows up the next couple years. Wouldn't shock me if they bust it down.

Of course I'm taking a macro view of it. The point is this: Last year UWL had Yaeggi and D David at QB and Holcomb, a Gagliardi finalist, at receiver. They went 8-2 with that crew. Their three non-con games last year were Luther, Ripon and Carrol. I'm surprised you would base your opinion on a simple comparison of records. In my world, a program is progressing when they show they aren't solely reliant on a group of near superstars to compete at a high level and win most of the time. UWL does not have the offensive star power as they did last year, yet, they've played a tougher schedule this year and they are more than holding their own.
I'm sure not on the same page as you when you say UWL was "arguably" more competitive with UWO last year. Last year, from 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter until the final whistle, UWL never got closer than 14 points. This year, with 7 minutes remaining in the game, UWL was down 4. I pick this year as the more competitive of the two.   

[WW]

I see with under 10 minutes to go in the game, UWL was trailing UWO 17-13. The final was 24-13 for a pretty competitive game.
I'm inclined to think UWL is progressing this season. They have three losses- to D2 Dickenson State (6-2), UWW and UWO.
UWP lost to UWEC 40-16. UWP had 4 interceptions and 3 fumbles.
UWL gets UWP at home next Saturday.

Not sure so about the UW-L progression. They still can't run the ball. UW-0 outgained them by 120 yards. Competitive? Yes. Sign of significant progress? I'm not so sure.  Dickenson State is NAIA, not D-II. And one of their losses is to Waldorf. We should remember them....

UWL is guaranteed a worse W-L record this year compared to last, and they were certainly more competitive vs UWW in '17 than '18, and arguably more competitive vs UWO in '17 than '18. That's regression, not progression, at least in the immediate view of things.

But if you are taking a very macro view of things, I can see it. I still don't know exactly what to make of their incoming recruiting class. 81 just boggles my mind. Logic suggests you'll end up with twice as many kids who can actually play than the school that brings in 40. Maybe UWL brought in the bottom 40 that another WIAC wouldn't have recruited, but the UWL two-deep has 11 freshmen on it, so there's certainly some real quality in that quantity. (Whitewater, by comparison, has 0 freshmen on its current two-deep).

I think at worst, UWL will be knocking at the door as that youth grows up the next couple years. Wouldn't shock me if they bust it down.

Of course I'm taking a macro view of it. The point is this: Last year UWL had Yaeggi and D David at QB and Holcomb, a Gagliardi finalist, at receiver. They went 8-2 with that crew. Their three non-con games last year were Luther, Ripon and Carrol. I'm surprised you would base your opinion on a simple comparison of records. In my world, a program is progressing when they show they aren't solely reliant on a group of near superstars to compete at a high level and win most of the time. UWL does not have the offensive star power as they did last year, yet, they've played a tougher schedule this year and they are more than holding their own.
I'm sure not on the same page as you when you say UWL was "arguably" more competitive with UWO last year. Last year, from 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter until the final whistle, UWL never got closer than 14 points. This year, with 7 minutes remaining in the game, UWL was down 4. I pick this year as the more competitive of the two.

Well we can chase this one down the "arguable" rabbit hole, but inarguably, UWL had a touchdown lead halfway through the 3rd quarter last year, and certainly a yardage comparison suggests last year's game against a better UWO team was a more equal affair than this year's game against a worse UWO team. Yaeggi was probably better than Schramski but not by a bunch and missed almost half the season. And for my money, a loss to an NAIA team that gets to fluff its record with Waldorf once and Presentation College twice does not boost their resume, the IWU game notwithstanding. 2018 UWL is worse than 2017 UWL and if your argument is because their players aren't as good, um, yeah. Kinda my point too. But 2017-18 UWL is better than 2012-2016 UWL

We'll see what happens vs UWP.

[02 Warhawk]

I'd like to see Whitewater go up against HSU or UMHB in the first round.  Like we always do... if we make the playoffs LOL 

That works. We'll show you how it's done.

You can just watch our film from Belton when we won there
or the Stage Bowl Champ game when we beat them.

Why would we look that far? Our own archives has us beating them every time we've played them. What are we, 4-0 against them? 5-0?

(Is that better, bleed?)

[emma17]

I'd like to see Whitewater go up against HSU or UMHB in the first round.  Like we always do... if we make the playoffs LOL 

That works. We'll show you how it's done.

You can just watch our film from Belton when we won there
or the Stage Bowl Champ game when we beat them.

Why would we look that far? Our own archives has us beating them every time we've played them. What are we, 4-0 against them? 5-0?

(Is that better, bleed?)

I was trying to find a game Blue mentioned and came across a misprint in the 2016 D3 season scores. They must have mistyped a digit or two as the score reads 66-27, UMHB over Linfield. That can't be right.