FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[skunks_sidekick]

THUNDERDOME!

Winner gets a golden ticket straight to the semis to face MHB, loser gets all the Hamms they can stomach.

[jamtod]

THUNDERDOME!

Winner gets a golden ticket straight to the semis to face MHB, loser gets all the Hamms they can stomach.

That's a win-win situation if I've ever seen one.

[WW]

I'm not saying this is true of you, AO, because I have no idea. But it's something I had to double-check myself on, so it's possible that others are affected as well:

The D3football.com article regarding Regional Rankings, listed the SOS along with the orders of the rankings. 

West Region                SOS
UWW                            .611
St. J                             .600

That visual makes it easy to assume that the primary criteria used for this ranking decision was  SOS alone.  In other regions that clearly isn't the case.  Simply because UW-W's SOS is higher and simply because that is the criterion listed at D3football.com does not mean that was why the West RAC placed UW-W ahead of St. John's. It's possible it is more along the lines of what Wally just wrote. They could have thought the SOS was about even. Next week, they could also think the results vs regionally ranked opponents is about even. So they revert to stronger conference. I have no idea. Just throwing out another possibility.

The wild card, IMO, is the Thomas More game. I think UWW's final two opponents could knock their SOS down a couple ticks. Hamline is no help for Johnny but TM? That could move their needle up a few points.

Not saying it will happen, but I'd be very curious to see if Johnny passes DubDub on SOS, if ranking then gets reordered accordingly.

[jamtod]

I'm not saying this is true of you, AO, because I have no idea. But it's something I had to double-check myself on, so it's possible that others are affected as well:

The D3football.com article regarding Regional Rankings, listed the SOS along with the orders of the rankings. 

West Region                SOS
UWW                            .611
St. J                             .600

That visual makes it easy to assume that the primary criteria used for this ranking decision was  SOS alone.  In other regions that clearly isn't the case.  Simply because UW-W's SOS is higher and simply because that is the criterion listed at D3football.com does not mean that was why the West RAC placed UW-W ahead of St. John's. It's possible it is more along the lines of what Wally just wrote. They could have thought the SOS was about even. Next week, they could also think the results vs regionally ranked opponents is about even. So they revert to stronger conference. I have no idea. Just throwing out another possibility.

The wild card, IMO, is the Thomas More game. I think UWW's final two opponents could knock their SOS down a couple ticks. Hamline is no help for Johnny but TM? That could move their needle up a few points.

Not saying it will happen, but I'd be very curious to see if Johnny passes DubDub on SOS, if ranking then gets reordered accordingly.

I didn't dig into OOWP, but I think UW-SP + UW-Plattie is about a wash (or better) vs Hamline and Thomas More. Thomas More's opponents are pretty solid, but so is UW-P (includes Thomas More) and UW-SP (John Carroll and Wabash).

[AO]

I'm not saying this is true of you, AO, because I have no idea. But it's something I had to double-check myself on, so it's possible that others are affected as well:

The D3football.com article regarding Regional Rankings, listed the SOS along with the orders of the rankings. 

West Region                SOS
UWW                            .611
St. J                             .600

That visual makes it easy to assume that the primary criteria used for this ranking decision was  SOS alone.  In other regions that clearly isn't the case.  Simply because UW-W's SOS is higher and simply because that is the criterion listed at D3football.com does not mean that was why the West RAC placed UW-W ahead of St. John's. It's possible it is more along the lines of what Wally just wrote. They could have thought the SOS was about even. Next week, they could also think the results vs regionally ranked opponents is about even. So they revert to stronger conference. I have no idea. Just throwing out another possibility.

The wild card, IMO, is the Thomas More game. I think UWW's final two opponents could knock their SOS down a couple ticks. Hamline is no help for Johnny but TM? That could move their needle up a few points.

Not saying it will happen, but I'd be very curious to see if Johnny passes DubDub on SOS, if ranking then gets reordered accordingly.

Hamline will be at best 1-8 for SOS, Thomas More will remain 6-2 since they play D2 Lake Erie next week, so that's 7-10 towards the OWP.  For Whitewater, I'll assume Platteville beats Stout and Stevens Point beats River Falls, so you're adding 3-5 and 5-4 to Whitewater's OWP.   Platteville and Stevens Point also bring a little better OOWP with them so I think Whitewater will maintain their SoS advantage.

I think the Simpson vs Dubuque game will play a big factor.  If Simpson wins, they might jump Oshkosh and keep Bethel in the rankings regardless of how they do against St. Thomas.  St. Thomas' SoS will take a healthy jump in the next two weeks while Linfield will sag, giving the Tommies a chance to pass Linfield with a win over Bethel.  For Whitewater, there's not much Oshkosh or LaCrosse can do at this point, they're going to be hanging onto the bottom of the rankings.

[WW]

I'm not saying this is true of you, AO, because I have no idea. But it's something I had to double-check myself on, so it's possible that others are affected as well:

The D3football.com article regarding Regional Rankings, listed the SOS along with the orders of the rankings. 

West Region                SOS
UWW                            .611
St. J                             .600

That visual makes it easy to assume that the primary criteria used for this ranking decision was  SOS alone.  In other regions that clearly isn't the case.  Simply because UW-W's SOS is higher and simply because that is the criterion listed at D3football.com does not mean that was why the West RAC placed UW-W ahead of St. John's. It's possible it is more along the lines of what Wally just wrote. They could have thought the SOS was about even. Next week, they could also think the results vs regionally ranked opponents is about even. So they revert to stronger conference. I have no idea. Just throwing out another possibility.

The wild card, IMO, is the Thomas More game. I think UWW's final two opponents could knock their SOS down a couple ticks. Hamline is no help for Johnny but TM? That could move their needle up a few points.

Not saying it will happen, but I'd be very curious to see if Johnny passes DubDub on SOS, if ranking then gets reordered accordingly.

I didn't dig into OOWP, but I think UW-SP + UW-Plattie is about a wash (or better) vs Hamline and Thomas More. Thomas More's opponents are pretty solid, but so is UW-P (includes Thomas More) and UW-SP (John Carroll and Wabash).

But does it boost your SOS if they lost those games? Interesting that both Johnny and DubDub could be rooting for UWP to raise its profile with a win over Stout tomorrow, although that would likely do more favors for SJ than UWW because it would devalue the UWW win over Stout.

In the end, Hamline will likely outweigh any benefit resulting from a Johnny win over 7-2 TM, but it would be interesting to see how they'd handle a change in SOS.

[WW]

Since the ranking doesn't really count until the final ranking, it's not that imperative that they look too long at this pair of deserving teams. I would hope that in the final ranking, the RAC will take into consideration all relevant factors.

We're trying to split hairs here. They will (I hope) split hairs later.

I'd say the ranking now does matter. Incumbency prejudice can be difficult to overcome.

[AO]

I'm not saying this is true of you, AO, because I have no idea. But it's something I had to double-check myself on, so it's possible that others are affected as well:

The D3football.com article regarding Regional Rankings, listed the SOS along with the orders of the rankings. 

West Region                SOS
UWW                            .611
St. J                             .600

That visual makes it easy to assume that the primary criteria used for this ranking decision was  SOS alone.  In other regions that clearly isn't the case.  Simply because UW-W's SOS is higher and simply because that is the criterion listed at D3football.com does not mean that was why the West RAC placed UW-W ahead of St. John's. It's possible it is more along the lines of what Wally just wrote. They could have thought the SOS was about even. Next week, they could also think the results vs regionally ranked opponents is about even. So they revert to stronger conference. I have no idea. Just throwing out another possibility.

The wild card, IMO, is the Thomas More game. I think UWW's final two opponents could knock their SOS down a couple ticks. Hamline is no help for Johnny but TM? That could move their needle up a few points.

Not saying it will happen, but I'd be very curious to see if Johnny passes DubDub on SOS, if ranking then gets reordered accordingly.

I didn't dig into OOWP, but I think UW-SP + UW-Plattie is about a wash (or better) vs Hamline and Thomas More. Thomas More's opponents are pretty solid, but so is UW-P (includes Thomas More) and UW-SP (John Carroll and Wabash).

But does it boost your SOS if they lost those games? Interesting that both Johnny and DubDub could be rooting for UWP to raise its profile with a win over Stout tomorrow, although that would likely do more favors for SJ than UWW because it would devalue the UWW win over Stout.

In the end, Hamline will likely outweigh any benefit resulting from a Johnny win over 7-2 TM, but it would be interesting to see how they'd handle a change in SOS.

Every conference game moves your SoS closer to .500.   That's why we hate what the NESCAC does in hoops where they only play 10 conference games.

[jamtod]

I'm not saying this is true of you, AO, because I have no idea. But it's something I had to double-check myself on, so it's possible that others are affected as well:

The D3football.com article regarding Regional Rankings, listed the SOS along with the orders of the rankings. 

West Region                SOS
UWW                            .611
St. J                             .600

That visual makes it easy to assume that the primary criteria used for this ranking decision was  SOS alone.  In other regions that clearly isn't the case.  Simply because UW-W's SOS is higher and simply because that is the criterion listed at D3football.com does not mean that was why the West RAC placed UW-W ahead of St. John's. It's possible it is more along the lines of what Wally just wrote. They could have thought the SOS was about even. Next week, they could also think the results vs regionally ranked opponents is about even. So they revert to stronger conference. I have no idea. Just throwing out another possibility.

The wild card, IMO, is the Thomas More game. I think UWW's final two opponents could knock their SOS down a couple ticks. Hamline is no help for Johnny but TM? That could move their needle up a few points.

Not saying it will happen, but I'd be very curious to see if Johnny passes DubDub on SOS, if ranking then gets reordered accordingly.

I didn't dig into OOWP, but I think UW-SP + UW-Plattie is about a wash (or better) vs Hamline and Thomas More. Thomas More's opponents are pretty solid, but so is UW-P (includes Thomas More) and UW-SP (John Carroll and Wabash).

But does it boost your SOS if they lost those games? Interesting that both Johnny and DubDub could be rooting for UWP to raise its profile with a win over Stout tomorrow, although that would likely do more favors for SJ than UWW because it would devalue the UWW win over Stout.

In the end, Hamline will likely outweigh any benefit resulting from a Johnny win over 7-2 TM, but it would be interesting to see how they'd handle a change in SOS.

Are you suggesting that SJU wants UW-Platteville to win because of it's impact as OOWP for Thomas More? If so, you are missing the fact that SJU played UW-Stout, so Stout winning would boost SJU.

[WW]

I'm not saying this is true of you, AO, because I have no idea. But it's something I had to double-check myself on, so it's possible that others are affected as well:

The D3football.com article regarding Regional Rankings, listed the SOS along with the orders of the rankings. 

West Region                SOS
UWW                            .611
St. J                             .600

That visual makes it easy to assume that the primary criteria used for this ranking decision was  SOS alone.  In other regions that clearly isn't the case.  Simply because UW-W's SOS is higher and simply because that is the criterion listed at D3football.com does not mean that was why the West RAC placed UW-W ahead of St. John's. It's possible it is more along the lines of what Wally just wrote. They could have thought the SOS was about even. Next week, they could also think the results vs regionally ranked opponents is about even. So they revert to stronger conference. I have no idea. Just throwing out another possibility.

The wild card, IMO, is the Thomas More game. I think UWW's final two opponents could knock their SOS down a couple ticks. Hamline is no help for Johnny but TM? That could move their needle up a few points.

Not saying it will happen, but I'd be very curious to see if Johnny passes DubDub on SOS, if ranking then gets reordered accordingly.

I didn't dig into OOWP, but I think UW-SP + UW-Plattie is about a wash (or better) vs Hamline and Thomas More. Thomas More's opponents are pretty solid, but so is UW-P (includes Thomas More) and UW-SP (John Carroll and Wabash).

But does it boost your SOS if they lost those games? Interesting that both Johnny and DubDub could be rooting for UWP to raise its profile with a win over Stout tomorrow, although that would likely do more favors for SJ than UWW because it would devalue the UWW win over Stout.

In the end, Hamline will likely outweigh any benefit resulting from a Johnny win over 7-2 TM, but it would be interesting to see how they'd handle a change in SOS.

Are you suggesting that SJU wants UW-Platteville to win because of it's impact as OOWP for Thomas More? If so, you are missing the fact that SJU played UW-Stout, so Stout winning would boost SJU.

Correct. I am missing that fact...

[OzJohnnie]

Johnnies cheer for Stout for two reasons.

A) It is just. Like cheering the the Allies during WWII.

B) Every Stout win and makes Stout a better game for the Johnnies.

[57Johnnie]

Johnnies cheer for Stout for two reasons.

A) It is just. Like cheering the the Allies during WWII.

B) Every Stout win and makes Stout a better game for the Johnnies.

C) makes Bob happy     I guess that's the same as  A

[emma17]

Terrific game by UWW today. Offense, defense and special teams all looking sharp.
OC coach Jennings putting a lot of plays and players on game tape.

UWL continues to roll, again showing their success isn't dependent on a couple superstars.
UWO- it was a nice run while it lasted. Nice win UWEC.

UWS- outstanding victory. Great last minute drive- dominating the line of scrimmage against UWP.

[02 Warhawk]

Terrific game by UWW today. Offense, defense and special teams all looking sharp.
OC coach Jennings putting a lot of plays and players on game tape.

UWL continues to roll, again showing their success isn't dependent on a couple superstars.
UWO- it was a nice run while it lasted. Nice win UWEC.

UWS- outstanding victory. Great last minute drive- dominating the line of scrimmage against UWP.

The WIAC isn't that good this year outside UWW. Bottom teams seem more competitive than usual, but the 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams....very meh.

Anxious to see how UWW actually does against a legit team. That UWO win is becoming less and less impressive as the season comes to an end here.

Usually we're discussing how the WIAC should have three teams in the tournament. This year, there's no question, one is plenty.

[emma17]

Terrific game by UWW today. Offense, defense and special teams all looking sharp.
OC coach Jennings putting a lot of plays and players on game tape.

UWL continues to roll, again showing their success isn't dependent on a couple superstars.
UWO- it was a nice run while it lasted. Nice win UWEC.

UWS- outstanding victory. Great last minute drive- dominating the line of scrimmage against UWP.

The WIAC isn't that good this year outside UWW. Bottom teams seem more competitive than usual, but the 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams....very meh.

Anxious to see how UWW actually does against a legit team. That UWO win is becoming less and less impressive as the season comes to an end here.

Usually we're discussing how the WIAC should have three teams in the tournament. This year, there's no question, one is plenty.

I agree the conference is down from a national perspective- but UWW did what a top team should do.
UWO's descent doesn't make them an easy game for any team, as they still have a roster of players that were thinking championships when they enrolled. Their losses to UWEC and UWSP speak more about the bottom of the conference getting better imo.

I do wonder how the WIAC compares to the MIAC given the UWEC blowout by St. T and the Stout blowout by St. J. Seems they should have put up better games.

In any case, UWW should be in good shape to compete.