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[bleedpurple]

Terrific game by UWW today. Offense, defense and special teams all looking sharp.
OC coach Jennings putting a lot of plays and players on game tape.

UWL continues to roll, again showing their success isn't dependent on a couple superstars.
UWO- it was a nice run while it lasted. Nice win UWEC.

UWS- outstanding victory. Great last minute drive- dominating the line of scrimmage against UWP.

Thought I heard on the news last night that with the loss yesterday, it marked the first time UWO lost back-to-back conference games since 2011....

Noticed that Gerhartz hasn't played the last two weeks...  Safe to assume he was injured in his 100+ yard day against La Crosse three weeks ago?

My understanding is that both Gerhartz and Todarello were injured against UW-L.  I was surprised Todarello played the last two weeks.  I'm guessing he has been playing through some pain.

No Gerhartz in the stats and Todarello with only 1 rush and 1 catch. It's too bad for Todarello as this is his senior year. I've always been a fan of his play.
Yes, UWO's record is unexpectedly average. 4, 6 and 6 are the score differences in the games they lost other than to UWW. I think it's clear UWO is attempting to rebuild a team that was stacked with talented multi-year starters last year. I certainly didn't think they'd struggle this much, but I also think they are a tough out for any team they play, and that's credit to them.

02- I wouldn't be so quick to assume UWW hasn't been tested by playoff caliber teams. Perhaps not by top 7 teams, but but I'd be curious to know which teams ranked 8-25 UWL, UWO and even UWP couldn't give a good game?

Just looking at their schedule UWW will not have faced a playoff team this regular season. Nobody will even be considered. That's how I was looking at it.

At the same time, yes....uwo and UWP are probably better than some of the smaller conferences that get pool A bids.

Massey has UW-0 losing to both #6 Frostburg and #7 Hardin Simmons by one point.
Massey has UW-P beating beating #20 Wabash by 7 and #21 Wittenberg by 4

All on a neutral field.

[02 Warhawk]

Terrific game by UWW today. Offense, defense and special teams all looking sharp.
OC coach Jennings putting a lot of plays and players on game tape.

UWL continues to roll, again showing their success isn't dependent on a couple superstars.
UWO- it was a nice run while it lasted. Nice win UWEC.

UWS- outstanding victory. Great last minute drive- dominating the line of scrimmage against UWP.

Thought I heard on the news last night that with the loss yesterday, it marked the first time UWO lost back-to-back conference games since 2011....

Noticed that Gerhartz hasn't played the last two weeks...  Safe to assume he was injured in his 100+ yard day against La Crosse three weeks ago?

My understanding is that both Gerhartz and Todarello were injured against UW-L.  I was surprised Todarello played the last two weeks.  I'm guessing he has been playing through some pain.

No Gerhartz in the stats and Todarello with only 1 rush and 1 catch. It's too bad for Todarello as this is his senior year. I've always been a fan of his play.
Yes, UWO's record is unexpectedly average. 4, 6 and 6 are the score differences in the games they lost other than to UWW. I think it's clear UWO is attempting to rebuild a team that was stacked with talented multi-year starters last year. I certainly didn't think they'd struggle this much, but I also think they are a tough out for any team they play, and that's credit to them.

02- I wouldn't be so quick to assume UWW hasn't been tested by playoff caliber teams. Perhaps not by top 7 teams, but but I'd be curious to know which teams ranked 8-25 UWL, UWO and even UWP couldn't give a good game?

Just looking at their schedule UWW will not have faced a playoff team this regular season. Nobody will even be considered. That's how I was looking at it.

At the same time, yes....uwo and UWP are probably better than some of the smaller conferences that get pool A bids.

Massey has UW-0 losing to both #6 Frostburg and #7 Hardin Simmons by one point.
Massey has UW-P beating beating #20 Wabash by 7 and #21 Wittenberg by 4

All on a neutral field.

What did Massey have for UWO against UWEC?

[KitchenSink]

Terrific game by UWW today. Offense, defense and special teams all looking sharp.
OC coach Jennings putting a lot of plays and players on game tape.

UWL continues to roll, again showing their success isn't dependent on a couple superstars.
UWO- it was a nice run while it lasted. Nice win UWEC.

UWS- outstanding victory. Great last minute drive- dominating the line of scrimmage against UWP.

Thought I heard on the news last night that with the loss yesterday, it marked the first time UWO lost back-to-back conference games since 2011....

Noticed that Gerhartz hasn't played the last two weeks...  Safe to assume he was injured in his 100+ yard day against La Crosse three weeks ago?

My understanding is that both Gerhartz and Todarello were injured against UW-L.  I was surprised Todarello played the last two weeks.  I'm guessing he has been playing through some pain.

No Gerhartz in the stats and Todarello with only 1 rush and 1 catch. It's too bad for Todarello as this is his senior year. I've always been a fan of his play.
Yes, UWO's record is unexpectedly average. 4, 6 and 6 are the score differences in the games they lost other than to UWW. I think it's clear UWO is attempting to rebuild a team that was stacked with talented multi-year starters last year. I certainly didn't think they'd struggle this much, but I also think they are a tough out for any team they play, and that's credit to them.

02- I wouldn't be so quick to assume UWW hasn't been tested by playoff caliber teams. Perhaps not by top 7 teams, but but I'd be curious to know which teams ranked 8-25 UWL, UWO and even UWP couldn't give a good game?

Just looking at their schedule UWW will not have faced a playoff team this regular season. Nobody will even be considered. That's how I was looking at it.

At the same time, yes....uwo and UWP are probably better than some of the smaller conferences that get pool A bids.

Isn't Dubuque in a "Playoff Qualifier" on Saturday?

[emma17]

Terrific game by UWW today. Offense, defense and special teams all looking sharp.
OC coach Jennings putting a lot of plays and players on game tape.

UWL continues to roll, again showing their success isn't dependent on a couple superstars.
UWO- it was a nice run while it lasted. Nice win UWEC.

UWS- outstanding victory. Great last minute drive- dominating the line of scrimmage against UWP.

Thought I heard on the news last night that with the loss yesterday, it marked the first time UWO lost back-to-back conference games since 2011....

Noticed that Gerhartz hasn't played the last two weeks...  Safe to assume he was injured in his 100+ yard day against La Crosse three weeks ago?

My understanding is that both Gerhartz and Todarello were injured against UW-L.  I was surprised Todarello played the last two weeks.  I'm guessing he has been playing through some pain.

No Gerhartz in the stats and Todarello with only 1 rush and 1 catch. It's too bad for Todarello as this is his senior year. I've always been a fan of his play.
Yes, UWO's record is unexpectedly average. 4, 6 and 6 are the score differences in the games they lost other than to UWW. I think it's clear UWO is attempting to rebuild a team that was stacked with talented multi-year starters last year. I certainly didn't think they'd struggle this much, but I also think they are a tough out for any team they play, and that's credit to them.

02- I wouldn't be so quick to assume UWW hasn't been tested by playoff caliber teams. Perhaps not by top 7 teams, but but I'd be curious to know which teams ranked 8-25 UWL, UWO and even UWP couldn't give a good game?

Just looking at their schedule UWW will not have faced a playoff team this regular season. Nobody will even be considered. That's how I was looking at it.

At the same time, yes....uwo and UWP are probably better than some of the smaller conferences that get pool A bids.

Massey has UW-0 losing to both #6 Frostburg and #7 Hardin Simmons by one point.
Massey has UW-P beating beating #20 Wabash by 7 and #21 Wittenberg by 4

All on a neutral field.

What did Massey have for UWO against UWEC?

Come on 02- that's a cop-out.
I asked what teams ranked 8-25 UWO, UWL and maybe UWP wouldn't be able to compete with. Is your answer seriously "only some of the smaller conference pool A's"?

[bleedpurple]

Terrific game by UWW today. Offense, defense and special teams all looking sharp.
OC coach Jennings putting a lot of plays and players on game tape.

UWL continues to roll, again showing their success isn't dependent on a couple superstars.
UWO- it was a nice run while it lasted. Nice win UWEC.

UWS- outstanding victory. Great last minute drive- dominating the line of scrimmage against UWP.

Thought I heard on the news last night that with the loss yesterday, it marked the first time UWO lost back-to-back conference games since 2011....

Noticed that Gerhartz hasn't played the last two weeks...  Safe to assume he was injured in his 100+ yard day against La Crosse three weeks ago?

My understanding is that both Gerhartz and Todarello were injured against UW-L.  I was surprised Todarello played the last two weeks.  I'm guessing he has been playing through some pain.

No Gerhartz in the stats and Todarello with only 1 rush and 1 catch. It's too bad for Todarello as this is his senior year. I've always been a fan of his play.
Yes, UWO's record is unexpectedly average. 4, 6 and 6 are the score differences in the games they lost other than to UWW. I think it's clear UWO is attempting to rebuild a team that was stacked with talented multi-year starters last year. I certainly didn't think they'd struggle this much, but I also think they are a tough out for any team they play, and that's credit to them.

02- I wouldn't be so quick to assume UWW hasn't been tested by playoff caliber teams. Perhaps not by top 7 teams, but but I'd be curious to know which teams ranked 8-25 UWL, UWO and even UWP couldn't give a good game?

Just looking at their schedule UWW will not have faced a playoff team this regular season. Nobody will even be considered. That's how I was looking at it.

At the same time, yes....uwo and UWP are probably better than some of the smaller conferences that get pool A bids.

Massey has UW-0 losing to both #6 Frostburg and #7 Hardin Simmons by one point.
Massey has UW-P beating beating #20 Wabash by 7 and #21 Wittenberg by 4

All on a neutral field.

What did Massey have for UWO against UWEC?

Not sure, but they have Eau Claire beating Eureka 42-20.  And St. Norbert plays for a berth next week and Eau Claire DID beat them.

[02 Warhawk]

Terrific game by UWW today. Offense, defense and special teams all looking sharp.
OC coach Jennings putting a lot of plays and players on game tape.

UWL continues to roll, again showing their success isn't dependent on a couple superstars.
UWO- it was a nice run while it lasted. Nice win UWEC.

UWS- outstanding victory. Great last minute drive- dominating the line of scrimmage against UWP.

Thought I heard on the news last night that with the loss yesterday, it marked the first time UWO lost back-to-back conference games since 2011....

Noticed that Gerhartz hasn't played the last two weeks...  Safe to assume he was injured in his 100+ yard day against La Crosse three weeks ago?

My understanding is that both Gerhartz and Todarello were injured against UW-L.  I was surprised Todarello played the last two weeks.  I'm guessing he has been playing through some pain.

No Gerhartz in the stats and Todarello with only 1 rush and 1 catch. It's too bad for Todarello as this is his senior year. I've always been a fan of his play.
Yes, UWO's record is unexpectedly average. 4, 6 and 6 are the score differences in the games they lost other than to UWW. I think it's clear UWO is attempting to rebuild a team that was stacked with talented multi-year starters last year. I certainly didn't think they'd struggle this much, but I also think they are a tough out for any team they play, and that's credit to them.

02- I wouldn't be so quick to assume UWW hasn't been tested by playoff caliber teams. Perhaps not by top 7 teams, but but I'd be curious to know which teams ranked 8-25 UWL, UWO and even UWP couldn't give a good game?

Just looking at their schedule UWW will not have faced a playoff team this regular season. Nobody will even be considered. That's how I was looking at it.

At the same time, yes....uwo and UWP are probably better than some of the smaller conferences that get pool A bids.

Massey has UW-0 losing to both #6 Frostburg and #7 Hardin Simmons by one point.
Massey has UW-P beating beating #20 Wabash by 7 and #21 Wittenberg by 4

All on a neutral field.

What did Massey have for UWO against UWEC?

Come on 02- that's a cop-out.
I asked what teams ranked 8-25 UWO, UWL and maybe UWP wouldn't be able to compete with. Is your answer seriously "only some of the smaller conference pool A's"?

In all seriousness, I have no idea. In my mind uwo and uwp lost all credibility as a "good team" when they both lost to uwec. The blue golds' only 2 conference wins this year have come against UWP and uwo. Ouch. Even UWSP and Stout got their licks in against the titans and pioneers.

I honestly can't answer that question, I don't think anyone can with 100% certainty with how they've been playing recently. UWL might be the best team of the three. They're the only one not (you now what) the bed right now.

[Brad]

What happened to Herink? It appears he started, as did Beckham. Did they get hurt?

Lay off the "morons". You're paying nothing for them.

I was at the UWRF vs UWL game. I went because I thought it was going to be a heck of a game. Beckman got ejected for 2 unsportsmanlike early in the third Q. The backup Q came in the first play and got a safety. That is when it all started to come undone for UWRF. Herink had to be targeted 10 times, but UWL DB's did a nice job being physical with him and not letting him get over the top it looked like. I was not overall impressed with either team. Mike Schmidt got a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty for taunting the UWRF bench which I thought was interesting. It was a game filled with flags and dumb decisions. I think UWL team last year was much better than this year, while UWRF still is working through how to break through. I think their is a chance these two will be fighting for 3rd or 4th going forward in the coming years.

[WW]

What happened to Herink? It appears he started, as did Beckham. Did they get hurt?

Lay off the "morons". You're paying nothing for them.

I was at the UWRF vs UWL game. I went because I thought it was going to be a heck of a game. Beckman got ejected for 2 unsportsmanlike early in the third Q. The backup Q came in the first play and got a safety. That is when it all started to come undone for UWRF. Herink had to be targeted 10 times, but UWL DB's did a nice job being physical with him and not letting him get over the top it looked like. I was not overall impressed with either team. Mike Schmidt got a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty for taunting the UWRF bench which I thought was interesting. It was a game filled with flags and dumb decisions. I think UWL team last year was much better than this year, while UWRF still is working through how to break through. I think their is a chance these two will be fighting for 3rd or 4th going forward in the coming years.

The QB got ejected??? What exactly did he do? And Schmidt got 15 for taunting the UWRF bench from across the field Musta been quite a taunt.

Sounds like quite a job by the UWL DBs, but that's gotta be on the QB too. The reason 6-7 receivers have such a high ceiling (get it???) is because part of the target they provide is indefensible. QBs just gotta put it there which, of course, is not as easy as I make it sound.

I just don't get UWO, and I haven't all year, ever since they gave the starter gig to Radavich over heir-apparent Duranso. They not only lost that UWEC game, they were statistically trounced. There's gotta be more hurt there than Gerhartz and Todarello.

For that matter, I don't get UWEC either. Or UWL. Or any of the WIAC teams except Dubdub, which has absolutely steamrolled the league this year. And that I did not see coming.

[emma17]

It's crazy WIAC.
This we know. UWL beat IWU at IWU (does that help you at least a little 02?).
UWSP played Wabash very close and played JCU reasonably close.
UWP played Thomas More neck and neck and crushed Lakeland.
UWEC is the 1 to 8-1 St. Norbert.
UWS beat Gustavus Adolphus- a near victor over St T.
UWRF lost a close game to Bethel.
UWO beat Carthage and held UWW to 116 yards rushing on 39 carries.

I can't answer any question as to who would beat who with 100% certainty- but I'm 100% certain the WIAC has provided plenty of playoff caliber challenges to UWW.
Whether UWW is ready for the top 7 is the question I have.

[UWO Titan 78]

I haven't watched the last two games (thank goodness), because my son was playing in the IHSA playoffs the last couple of weeks. The were eliminated in a 24-17 heartbreaker on Saturday, and his HS career is over. I'll watch the Titans on Saturday, but I don't think much will change. This offense is pedestrian at best. They've never had the most exotic schemes offensively, but they had maulers up front and they could always run the ball. This has changed. They will need to rectify this to compete in this league next year. The QB situation must be addressed. Duranso was highly touted and most thought he would be an above average QB in this league. Maybe he will be, but I think he's down to third on the depth chart, so that doesn't bode well. Radavich has gotten a lot of experience this year. That may help him over the next two years, but is he a difference maker or a game manager? The defense is giving up 14 points a game, and when you're not getting any help from your offense, that is more than respectable. There have been injuries, and the depth isn't what it was the last few years. We lose some pretty good OL and our best playmaker on offense (Todarello). We will lose our top 3 tacklers and our best DB on defense. This doesn't have the feel of a quick fix and we're back in the hunt next year. But we'll see how the roster develops.

[WW]

I haven't watched the last two games (thank goodness), because my son was playing in the IHSA playoffs the last couple of weeks. The were eliminated in a 24-17 heartbreaker on Saturday, and his HS career is over. I'll watch the Titans on Saturday, but I don't think much will change. This offense is pedestrian at best. They've never had the most exotic schemes offensively, but they had maulers up front and they could always run the ball. This has changed. They will need to rectify this to compete in this league next year. The QB situation must be addressed. Duranso was highly touted and most thought he would be an above average QB in this league. Maybe he will be, but I think he's down to third on the depth chart, so that doesn't bode well. Radavich has gotten a lot of experience this year. That may help him over the next two years, but is he a difference maker or a game manager? The defense is giving up 14 points a game, and when you're not getting any help from your offense, that is more than respectable. There have been injuries, and the depth isn't what it was the last few years. We lose some pretty good OL and our best playmaker on offense (Todarello). We will lose our top 3 tacklers and our best DB on defense. This doesn't have the feel of a quick fix and we're back in the hunt next year. But we'll see how the roster develops.

You'll get Pete MacCudden off of his greyshirt season. I don't know where he is in injury recovery and had he not greyshirted, if he'd be on the field by now. But I think there were high expectations that he'd be a big contributor as a freshman. Pete's a Playmaker with a capital P.

As for OL, I don't know if any maulers are in the development chain or not. I suspect O line play may be a more significant contributor to the Titan offensive woes than we're giving it credit (or blame) for. Six sacks, 160 yards in total offense vs Eau Claire. That's weak.

[UWO Titan 78]

I haven't watched the last two games (thank goodness), because my son was playing in the IHSA playoffs the last couple of weeks. The were eliminated in a 24-17 heartbreaker on Saturday, and his HS career is over. I'll watch the Titans on Saturday, but I don't think much will change. This offense is pedestrian at best. They've never had the most exotic schemes offensively, but they had maulers up front and they could always run the ball. This has changed. They will need to rectify this to compete in this league next year. The QB situation must be addressed. Duranso was highly touted and most thought he would be an above average QB in this league. Maybe he will be, but I think he's down to third on the depth chart, so that doesn't bode well. Radavich has gotten a lot of experience this year. That may help him over the next two years, but is he a difference maker or a game manager? The defense is giving up 14 points a game, and when you're not getting any help from your offense, that is more than respectable. There have been injuries, and the depth isn't what it was the last few years. We lose some pretty good OL and our best playmaker on offense (Todarello). We will lose our top 3 tacklers and our best DB on defense. This doesn't have the feel of a quick fix and we're back in the hunt next year. But we'll see how the roster develops.

You'll get Pete MacCudden off of his greyshirt season. I don't know where he is in injury recovery and had he not greyshirted, if he'd be on the field by now. But I think there were high expectations that he'd be a big contributor as a freshman. Pete's a Playmaker with a capital P.

As for OL, I don't know if any maulers are in the development chain or not. I suspect O line play may be a more significant contributor to the Titan offensive woes than we're giving it credit (or blame) for. Six sacks, 160 yards in total offense vs Eau Claire. That's weak.

Yes, MacCudden was expected to contribute. But I'm not sure he'd have much success without better line play.

[TheGreenKnight920]

UWEC is the 1 to 8-1 St. Norbert.

Can confirm...I think UWEC is actually a good team in general, though SNC nearly pulled off something like a 16 point comeback win in the last 30 seconds, which should never happen to a good team, given that our "offense" is non-existent.

[hazzben]

It's crazy WIAC.
This we know. UWL beat IWU at IWU (does that help you at least a little 02?).
UWSP played Wabash very close and played JCU reasonably close.
UWP played Thomas More neck and neck and crushed Lakeland.
UWEC is the 1 to 8-1 St. Norbert.
UWS beat Gustavus Adolphus- a near victor over St T.
UWRF lost a close game to Bethel.
UWO beat Carthage and held UWW to 116 yards rushing on 39 carries.

I can't answer any question as to who would beat who with 100% certainty- but I'm 100% certain the WIAC has provided plenty of playoff caliber challenges to UWW.
Whether UWW is ready for the top 7 is the question I have.

I don't have confidence the WIAC has provided playoff caliber competition to UWW or anyone for that matter.

I don't look at UWRF and think, well we know Bethel can beat a playoff type team in a close game. I also don't think anyone in the MIAC looks at GAC and thinks they are playoff caliber. Or Stout by extension. IWU isn't likely to make the field from a CCIW that seems down to me this year.

But if 'playoff caliber' means you have results and wins against some of the worst Pool A conference contenders then we have a nicely diluted definition of playoff caliber.

[OzJohnnie]

It's crazy WIAC.
This we know. UWL beat IWU at IWU (does that help you at least a little 02?).
UWSP played Wabash very close and played JCU reasonably close.
UWP played Thomas More neck and neck and crushed Lakeland.
UWEC is the 1 to 8-1 St. Norbert.
UWS beat Gustavus Adolphus- a near victor over St T.
UWRF lost a close game to Bethel.
UWO beat Carthage and held UWW to 116 yards rushing on 39 carries.

I can't answer any question as to who would beat who with 100% certainty- but I'm 100% certain the WIAC has provided plenty of playoff caliber challenges to UWW.
Whether UWW is ready for the top 7 is the question I have.

I don't have confidence the WIAC has provided playoff caliber competition to UWW or anyone for that matter.

I don't look at UWRF and think, well we know Bethel can beat a playoff type team in a close game. I also don't think anyone in the MIAC looks at GAC and thinks they are playoff caliber. Or Stout by extension. IWU isn't likely to make the field from a CCIW that seems down to me this year.

But if 'playoff caliber' means you have results and wins against some of the worst Pool A conference contenders then we have a nicely diluted definition of playoff caliber.

I think the discussion is being a bit hard on the two conferences.  There's playoff caliber and then there are national contenders. I think the conferences go three or even four teams deep with squads that could put up a reasonable game against a large number of the field of 32.  That's been the curse of the west region, and our conferences specifically, since the beginning of time.

What is nice to see is a conference that puts out two, or possibly three, legit semi final teams out in a year.  The WIAC is one deep there, a down year compared to the last ten or so, while the MIAC is 2 1/2 deep, not a bad result at all. Put UST or Bethel in the East/North/non-Mount bracket and they would have a good chance of running to the semis. Keep them in the west and it's much more difficult.

So my argument is that we don't need to talk down these two powerhouse conferences too much.  They may not be semi-final deep this year but they do field a number of teams that would be very dangerous to well over half of the squads that will make the post-season.