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02 Warhawk

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Quote from: WW on November 12, 2019, 10:41:25 AM
Quote from: palum on November 12, 2019, 10:29:48 AM
Quote from: UWO Titan 78 on November 11, 2019, 03:27:36 PM
I hope the Warhawks play the QB that will throw it to the Titans the most. I think the only way we can win this game is by winning the turnover battle by a good margin.
The only way the WIAC will get  2 teams in the playoffs is if WW's QB  throws it to Oshkosh players (don't think that will happen). There are plenty of 1 loss 2nd place teams (whose only loss is to a undefeated conference champ)  that will be ahead of of a 2 loss WIAC team. Teams like:
1. John Carroll, only loss is to Mt. Union
2. North Central,  only loss is to Wheaton
3. Redlands, only loss is to Chapman
4. Wesley, whose only loss is to Salisbury  (who beat Oshkosh)
Then what will the selection committee do about Wartburg who lost to Central and if Bethal  beats St. Thomas will they get in? Looks like WW will carry the WIAC flag into the playoffs because the WIAC is to good from top to bottom.

Or Susquehanna, only loss to unbeaten Muhlenberg.

Say Oshkosh wins... does Whitewater make the field? Their loss to 2-loss Oshkosh would be "worse" than any of the above's loss.

I would bet my house on it. Their win against Stout pretty much secured them a spot.

hazzben

Quote from: WW on November 12, 2019, 11:10:35 AM
Quote from: hazzben on November 12, 2019, 10:50:07 AM
Quote from: palum on November 12, 2019, 10:29:48 AM
Quote from: UWO Titan 78 on November 11, 2019, 03:27:36 PM
I hope the Warhawks play the QB that will throw it to the Titans the most. I think the only way we can win this game is by winning the turnover battle by a good margin.
The only way the WIAC will get  2 teams in the playoffs is if WW's QB  throws it to Oshkosh players (don't think that will happen). There are plenty of 1 loss 2nd place teams (whose only loss is to a undefeated conference champ)  that will be ahead of of a 2 loss WIAC team. Teams like:
1. John Carroll, only loss is to Mt. Union
2. North Central,  only loss is to Wheaton
3. Redlands, only loss is to Chapman
4. Wesley, whose only loss is to Salisbury  (who beat Oshkosh)
Then what will the selection committee do about Wartburg who lost to Central and if Bethal  beats St. Thomas will they get in? Looks like WW will carry the WIAC flag into the playoffs because the WIAC is to good from top to bottom.

I'm not sure that John Carroll is a strong candidate this year. They also have to beat Baldwin-Wallace this week. But to your point, there are a ton of quality one loss teams still on the board. That could all change in a hurry Saturday, but as it stands, I think it's a tough year for really good 2 loss teams.

I think a couple good 1-loss teams aren't gonna be happy either.

Totally agree, just hoping Bethel isn't one of them. If they beat UST they'll stay in the top 10, but might not make the field. Have we ever had a Top 10, 1 loss conference co-champ, from a top 5 conference, not make the playoffs (I am well aware Top 25 and conference co-champs are not criteria).

02 Warhawk

Quote from: hazzben on November 12, 2019, 11:23:30 AM
Quote from: WW on November 12, 2019, 11:10:35 AM
Quote from: hazzben on November 12, 2019, 10:50:07 AM
Quote from: palum on November 12, 2019, 10:29:48 AM
Quote from: UWO Titan 78 on November 11, 2019, 03:27:36 PM
I hope the Warhawks play the QB that will throw it to the Titans the most. I think the only way we can win this game is by winning the turnover battle by a good margin.
The only way the WIAC will get  2 teams in the playoffs is if WW's QB  throws it to Oshkosh players (don't think that will happen). There are plenty of 1 loss 2nd place teams (whose only loss is to a undefeated conference champ)  that will be ahead of of a 2 loss WIAC team. Teams like:
1. John Carroll, only loss is to Mt. Union
2. North Central,  only loss is to Wheaton
3. Redlands, only loss is to Chapman
4. Wesley, whose only loss is to Salisbury  (who beat Oshkosh)
Then what will the selection committee do about Wartburg who lost to Central and if Bethal  beats St. Thomas will they get in? Looks like WW will carry the WIAC flag into the playoffs because the WIAC is to good from top to bottom.

I'm not sure that John Carroll is a strong candidate this year. They also have to beat Baldwin-Wallace this week. But to your point, there are a ton of quality one loss teams still on the board. That could all change in a hurry Saturday, but as it stands, I think it's a tough year for really good 2 loss teams.

I think a couple good 1-loss teams aren't gonna be happy either.

Totally agree, just hoping Bethel isn't one of them. If they beat UST they'll stay in the top 10, but might not make the field. Have we ever had a Top 10, 1 loss conference co-champ, from a top 5 conference, not make the playoffs (I am well aware Top 25 and conference co-champs are not criteria).

No chance Bethel doesn't get in if they take care of UST Saturday.

However, I very biased to one-loss Pool C eligible teams in the top conferences. Especially if that one loss is against the Pool A team.

USee

Hazz,

if that 5th spot comes down to Bethel/NCC I think it's NCC that will be singing the blues. Bethel's SOS will bounce a bit this week w STT and NCC's will weaken a bit w Millikin. Both will be 0-1 vs RRO. No one believes it, but the criteria don't lie, a top 10 team could be left out this year.

02-I hope there is "no chance" but the criteria tell a different story right now.

hazzben

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 12, 2019, 11:38:04 AM
Quote from: hazzben on November 12, 2019, 11:23:30 AM
Quote from: WW on November 12, 2019, 11:10:35 AM
Quote from: hazzben on November 12, 2019, 10:50:07 AM
Quote from: palum on November 12, 2019, 10:29:48 AM
Quote from: UWO Titan 78 on November 11, 2019, 03:27:36 PM
I hope the Warhawks play the QB that will throw it to the Titans the most. I think the only way we can win this game is by winning the turnover battle by a good margin.
The only way the WIAC will get  2 teams in the playoffs is if WW's QB  throws it to Oshkosh players (don't think that will happen). There are plenty of 1 loss 2nd place teams (whose only loss is to a undefeated conference champ)  that will be ahead of of a 2 loss WIAC team. Teams like:
1. John Carroll, only loss is to Mt. Union
2. North Central,  only loss is to Wheaton
3. Redlands, only loss is to Chapman
4. Wesley, whose only loss is to Salisbury  (who beat Oshkosh)
Then what will the selection committee do about Wartburg who lost to Central and if Bethal  beats St. Thomas will they get in? Looks like WW will carry the WIAC flag into the playoffs because the WIAC is to good from top to bottom.

I'm not sure that John Carroll is a strong candidate this year. They also have to beat Baldwin-Wallace this week. But to your point, there are a ton of quality one loss teams still on the board. That could all change in a hurry Saturday, but as it stands, I think it's a tough year for really good 2 loss teams.

I think a couple good 1-loss teams aren't gonna be happy either.

Totally agree, just hoping Bethel isn't one of them. If they beat UST they'll stay in the top 10, but might not make the field. Have we ever had a Top 10, 1 loss conference co-champ, from a top 5 conference, not make the playoffs (I am well aware Top 25 and conference co-champs are not criteria).

No chance Bethel doesn't get in if they take care of UST Saturday.

However, I very biased to one-loss Pool C eligible teams in the top conferences. Especially if that one loss is against the Pool A team.

I hope the committee agrees with you  :)

USee - it's a shame that either team might get left home (assuming Bethel beats UST, no small task).

I wonder if there's some subjective effect on the National Committee with Bethel potentially finishing with a statement game/W. There's no criteria for that. But human nature is a real thing. Does it give them a little nudge if they beat UST, who won't be regionally ranked, but still has a lot of 'street cred' on the national level. not sure...

I am sure this is maybe the most entertaining Saturday of the entire year. Rd 1 of the playoffs is full of blowouts, but every team playing is controlling their own destiny. There are a lot of teams watching things Nationally in a way they don't in any other week.

bleedpurple

Quote from: USee on November 12, 2019, 10:56:24 AM
a one-loss UWW would rank very high in the West standings, even if to 2 loss UWO. Their SOS would be one of the highest on the board. I would think they would be either #1 or #2 on the Pool C board from the West and would make the field pretty handily. The problem is UWW could bump another high quality team, potentially Bethel or NCC from the field.

Yes.  I'm guessing there will be a lot of Pool C candidates who become temporary Warhawk fans on Saturday night.

UWO Titan 78

Quote from: bleedpurple on November 12, 2019, 12:52:36 PM
Quote from: USee on November 12, 2019, 10:56:24 AM
a one-loss UWW would rank very high in the West standings, even if to 2 loss UWO. Their SOS would be one of the highest on the board. I would think they would be either #1 or #2 on the Pool C board from the West and would make the field pretty handily. The problem is UWW could bump another high quality team, potentially Bethel or NCC from the field.

Yes.  I'm guessing there will be a lot of Pool C candidates who become temporary Warhawk fans on Saturday night.

I don't know how many other night games there are on Saturday, but I love having the WIAC be center stage in prime time. Can't wait!

02 Warhawk

Quote from: USee on November 12, 2019, 11:38:52 AM
Hazz,

if that 5th spot comes down to Bethel/NCC I think it's NCC that will be singing the blues. Bethel's SOS will bounce a bit this week w STT and NCC's will weaken a bit w Millikin. Both will be 0-1 vs RRO. No one believes it, but the criteria don't lie, a top 10 team could be left out this year.

02-I hope there is "no chance" but the criteria tell a different story right now.

I stand corrected on Bethel. Didn't expect them to fall to 8th(!!!!) in the West. Not sure if beating UST will be enough. Crazy to think a one-loss MIAC might not be good enough for the tournament. Crazy.

jamtod

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 13, 2019, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: USee on November 12, 2019, 11:38:52 AM
Hazz,

if that 5th spot comes down to Bethel/NCC I think it's NCC that will be singing the blues. Bethel's SOS will bounce a bit this week w STT and NCC's will weaken a bit w Millikin. Both will be 0-1 vs RRO. No one believes it, but the criteria don't lie, a top 10 team could be left out this year.

02-I hope there is "no chance" but the criteria tell a different story right now.

I stand corrected on Bethel. Didn't expect them to fall to 8th(!!!!) in the West. Not sure if beating UST will be enough. Crazy to think a one-loss MIAC might not be good enough for the tournament. Crazy.
Wow. Aside from an SOS bump, I'm not sure that beating St Thomas is considered that big of a deal by the Regional Ranking folks.

USee

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on November 13, 2019, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: USee on November 12, 2019, 11:38:52 AM
Hazz,

if that 5th spot comes down to Bethel/NCC I think it's NCC that will be singing the blues. Bethel's SOS will bounce a bit this week w STT and NCC's will weaken a bit w Millikin. Both will be 0-1 vs RRO. No one believes it, but the criteria don't lie, a top 10 team could be left out this year.

02-I hope there is "no chance" but the criteria tell a different story right now.

I stand corrected on Bethel. Didn't expect them to fall to 8th(!!!!) in the West. Not sure if beating UST will be enough. Crazy to think a one-loss MIAC might not be good enough for the tournament. Crazy.

And a 1 loss CCIW team, currently ranked 6th, may not get in either. The North RAC put JCU up this week ahead of Hope and Aurora (despite the criteria) which could allow them to leap NCC if they win Saturday. So we could have two top 10 ranked teams and 1 loss reps from MIAC and CCIW not make the field.

02 Warhawk

Funny to think that only a few weeks ago some of us were discussing the possibility of a two-loss team having a good enough resume to get a Pool C bid. Now the narrative is how many good one-loss teams will be left out.

:o

emma17

The D3 projected bracket is very interesting. UWW would match up w St. John's in round two if all goes well. The game many have been hoping for.

I'll be very interested to watch St. John's first round matchup vs. Aurora. Aurora is a heck of a passing team like the Johnnies.

WW

Quote from: emma17 on November 14, 2019, 10:19:33 AM
The D3 projected bracket is very interesting. UWW would match up w St. John's in round two if all goes well. The game many have been hoping for.

I'll be very interested to watch St. John's first round matchup vs. Aurora. Aurora is a heck of a passing team like the Johnnies.

I was hoping for it in at worst the quarters. Doesn't seem right that the two teams spending most of the season at No. 3 and 4 (now 3 and 8) would meet in the second round. And not to ruffle the feathers of y'all Warhawks but I think I'm a Titan fan Saturday night. I'd like to see two WIAC teams make the field. St. John's (or some other quality West-North team) is gonna loom in the second round anyway, although it might create a tougher first-round matchup should Dubdub lose Saturday.

bleedpurple

Quote from: WW on November 14, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: emma17 on November 14, 2019, 10:19:33 AM
The D3 projected bracket is very interesting. UWW would match up w St. John's in round two if all goes well. The game many have been hoping for.

I'll be very interested to watch St. John's first round matchup vs. Aurora. Aurora is a heck of a passing team like the Johnnies.

I was hoping for it in at worst the quarters. Doesn't seem right that the two teams spending most of the season at No. 3 and 4 (now 3 and 8) would meet in the second round. And not to ruffle the feathers of y'all Warhawks but I think I'm a Titan fan Saturday night. I'd like to see two WIAC teams make the field. St. John's (or some other quality West-North team) is gonna loom in the second round anyway, although it might create a tougher first-round matchup should Dubdub lose Saturday.
No offense taken. I think you would enjoy the night more if you chose to root for Whitewater.  But it's all good. 

gbpuckfan

UWO release to highlight TV coverage in Wisconsin:

My24 Milwaukee To Televise UW-Oshkosh, UW-Whitewater Football Game

The highly anticipated Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (WIAC) football regular season finale between UW-Oshkosh and nationally ranked UW-Whitewater will be televised live to a large regional audience Saturday (Nov. 16) from J. J. Keller Field at Titan Stadium. Kickoff of the de facto league title game is set for 6:05 p.m. in Oshkosh.

The winner of Saturday's contest earns the WIAC's automatic berth into the 32-team National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Division III Championship that commences Nov. 23.

The live broadcast will originate on My24 Milwaukee to Milwaukee, Whitewater and the southern portions of the state with a simulcast on TheCW14 for audiences in Green Bay, Oshkosh and Northeast Wisconsin. Check local listings for the viewing options in your area.

Bob Brainerd will handle the play-by-play of Saturday's contest and Dan Brunner, Executive Director of the Wisconsin Football Coaches Association, will serve as analyst.

UW-Oshkosh enters the 112th meeting of the series listed second in the WIAC football standings with a 5-1 league record (7-2 overall). The Titans, vying for their fourth conference championship in the past eight seasons, reached the national title game in 2016, the semifinals in both 2012 and 2017, and the quarterfinals in 2015.

UW-Whitewater, ranked third in the country by D3football.com, sits atop the conference with its 6-0 league record (9-0 overall). The Warhawks are vying for their second straight outright conference title and 12th overall league championship since 2005. UW-Whitewater secured at least a share of this year's WIAC title with last Saturday's (Nov. 9) 37-17 victory over UW-Stout. The Warhawks, who advanced to the national title game nine times from 2005-14, claimed Division III championships in 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013 and 2014.

Saturday's finale features the top two defenses in the conference as UW-Whitewater is allowing a WIAC-best 14.1 points per game while UW-Oshkosh yields 17.9 per contest.

The Titans, scoring 25.3 points per game, have won 26 straight regular season home games while the Warhawks, averaging 31.1 points per contest, have not lost a WIAC road game since a 37-20 setback at UW-Oshkosh on Sept. 30, 2017.

Since 2012, UW-Oshkosh has won 76 of its 94 games while UW-Whitewater has won 90 of its 100 contests.

UW-Whitewater owns a 77-29-5 record in the series with UW-Oshkosh after a 20-0 home win over the Titans last year.

Fans can also follow Saturday's game via live statistics, live on television (channel 57 in Oshkosh and 71.1 on the UW-Oshkosh campus) and online through Titan TV, as well as live audio on both WRST 90.3 FM (Oshkosh) and KOOL 106.5 FM WKCH (Whitewater).

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