FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[57Johnnie]

Coach LL makes ESPN top 150 of all time coaches' list.

I saw that, that's pretty cool.
The
I didn't see the whole list but I'm sure he's not the only D3 coach on there (i.e. LK and Gagliardi)

02
You're right. Gagliardi #16. Larry Kehres #28.
Hooray for all the Dlll coaches. They deserve the recognition! 🏈  🏆

I'm sure Frosty Westering is in there.

[emma17]

Coach LL makes ESPN top 150 of all time coaches' list.

I saw that, that's pretty cool.
The
I didn't see the whole list but I'm sure he's not the only D3 coach on there (i.e. LK and Gagliardi)

02
You're right. Gagliardi #16. Larry Kehres #28.
Hooray for all the Dlll coaches. They deserve the recognition! 🏈  🏆

Right on MUC- their accomplishments are nothing short of incredible in my opinion.

[WarhawkDad]

Interesting perspective on the deep throws. I'll agree with you partially and say: SJU has been ridiculously consistent in finding DB's that allow ridiculously easy long TD passes.

So, you're implying that Bethel, U$T, Aurora, Chapman, and Wheaton all have terrible defensive backs?

Actually, I believe he is saying UWW's CB might be better.

No he's saying the DB's for the teams SJU has faced are lacking and give up ridiculously easy TD's. It's right there, we see it.

You know, I am a guy that spends a good deal of time in Minnesota, we have a cabin on Leech Lake that I am at a various times in the Spring, Summer and Fall, my oldest daughter went to the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities and still lives and works in Minneapolis and my youngest just accepted an offer to play soccer at the University of Minnesota-Duluth....and over all those trips and contacts I have always been impressed and heartened by "Minnesota Nice".      I guess that does not apply to Johnnies fans......LOL   

[emma17]

Interesting perspective on the deep throws. I'll agree with you partially and say: SJU has been ridiculously consistent in finding DB's that allow ridiculously easy long TD passes.

So, you're implying that Bethel, U$T, Aurora, Chapman, and Wheaton all have terrible defensive backs?

Actually, I believe he is saying UWW's CB might be better.

No he's saying the DB's for the teams SJU has faced are lacking and give up ridiculously easy TD's. It's right there, we see it.

You know, I am a guy that spends a good deal of time in Minnesota, we have a cabin on Leech Lake that I am at a various times in the Spring, Summer and Fall, my oldest daughter went to the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities and still lives and works in Minneapolis and my youngest just accepted an offer to play soccer at the University of Minnesota-Duluth....and over all those trips and contacts I have always been impressed and heartened by "Minnesota Nice".      I guess that does not apply to Johnnies fans......LOL   

My guess is they actually are pretty good guys, and likely a ton of fun to hang out in an ice fishing shanty with. But right now, their demeanor is likely impacted with worry that Johnny Magic has to find a way to overcome disciplined football.

[jamtod]

Interesting perspective on the deep throws. I'll agree with you partially and say: SJU has been ridiculously consistent in finding DB's that allow ridiculously easy long TD passes.

So, you're implying that Bethel, U$T, Aurora, Chapman, and Wheaton all have terrible defensive backs?

Actually, I believe he is saying UWW's CB might be better.

No he's saying the DB's for the teams SJU has faced are lacking and give up ridiculously easy TD's. It's right there, we see it.

You know, I am a guy that spends a good deal of time in Minnesota, we have a cabin on Leech Lake that I am at a various times in the Spring, Summer and Fall, my oldest daughter went to the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities and still lives and works in Minneapolis and my youngest just accepted an offer to play soccer at the University of Minnesota-Duluth....and over all those trips and contacts I have always been impressed and heartened by "Minnesota Nice".      I guess that does not apply to Johnnies fans......LOL   

1. You are right, it doesn't apply to Johnnies fans. They are mostly terrible people.
2. I think it's surely a bit of column A, B, and C. St Thomas DBs have been exposed a few times by the SJU/Erdmann passing attack. SJU has exposed other teams DBs as well. Part of this is lacking top-tier talent to defend the WR depth, which maybe UW-W has this year. Part of this is Erdmann being exceptional and really understanding the timing and ability to make the big throws. And part of this is OC Heckendorf doing a heck-endorf of a job putting his team in position to win.

If we're going to focus on these weaknesses that SJU can exploit, it's also worth considering the weaknesses Concordia-Moorhead was able to show in SJU, because that game wasn't lost solely due to the kicking game.

[WW]

Welp, count me among those who think stuff like blocking and tackling will have a far greater effect on the outcome than 13-year-ago Stagg Bowls or magic. Any of y'all going? I may or may not be sharing some of my pregame Fireball in the Fieldhouse lot.

[jamtod]

Welp, count me among those who think stuff like blocking and tackling will have a far greater effect on the outcome than 13-year-ago Stagg Bowls or magic. Any of y'all going? I may or may not be sharing some of my pregame Fireball in the Fieldhouse lot.

How dare you, WW!

+k

[WarhawkDad]

UWW has been getting blasted as being a publicly funded university with less than quality education.   But straight from the St. John's website; their game preview has this quote, "No.7 UW-Whitewater, meanwhile, dominated No. 1/2 Mary Hardin-Baylor (Texas) in a 26-7 road victory, out-gaining the Warhawks 358-140 and possessing the ball for over 42 minutes."

So the writers and editors of this sentence thought that UMHB was the Warhawks.....or didn't know that UMHB was the Crusaders?   

Where is the academic superiority, the private school  excellence?     Hmmmmmmmmmm!   

Pound the Rock

[emma17]

Interesting perspective on the deep throws. I'll agree with you partially and say: SJU has been ridiculously consistent in finding DB's that allow ridiculously easy long TD passes.

So, you're implying that Bethel, U$T, Aurora, Chapman, and Wheaton all have terrible defensive backs?

Actually, I believe he is saying UWW's CB might be better.

No he's saying the DB's for the teams SJU has faced are lacking and give up ridiculously easy TD's. It's right there, we see it.

Well, the quote WD is responding to said Emma is "implying" those schools have "terrible defensive backs". I'm with WD. I don't think that is what he's implying. St. John's has been successful in taking the top off of defenses and scoring with quick, long strikes. I think Emma's position is that is not likely to happen Saturday.  That position may not be the same as yours, but it is a reasonable one. Personally, I hope Erdmann throws deep a bunch. The more often he throws deep, the more often he gets hit. The more often he gets hit, the better for UW-W.

Indeed Bleed.

Hazz, I'm a little surprised with you as I don't see you being the kind of guy that picks and chooses text to make a case.
Following are my exact words that started this discussion on DB's getting burned:

Maybe SJU players just end up making great plays on the ball, and that's ok, but I don't see them getting the ridiculously easy long TD's we've seen recently. 

It was your fellow MIAC buddy that posted:

So, you're implying that Bethel, U$T, Aurora, Chapman, and Wheaton all have terrible defensive backs?

Looking from another perspective, I think about the NCC at MT game. In the first two series NCC DB's gave up wide open bombs to MT. I wasn't thinking, boy, those NCC  DB's suck. Rather, I was thinking, for cry eye, NCC must have worked and stressed all week long "Don't get beat deep", and I'm sure the DB's felt they had it under control. Yet, they probably got mentally lax, fell for a double move, and then it's tail lights. The same with Aurora DB's vs SJU and Wheaton DB's vs SJU. I'm not saying in any way that they are bad DB's. I'm saying, as you all know, the game is more than just physical. Those guys ALL got beat because they made mental mistakes. It had very little to do with great offensive game planning- and it has almost everything to do with executing the plan you worked on all week long.

Like I said, SJU receivers may end up making some great plays, and that's to their credit. But imo, a receiver doing a "double move" that gets the DB to bite, allowing a receiver 10 yards past all coverage, isn't to the great credit of Erdmann or the SJU OC, it's to the discredit of an undisciplined DB that should have played that play better.

[wally_wabash]

UWW has been getting blasted as being a publicly funded university with less than quality education.   But straight from the St. John's website; their game preview has this quote, "No.7 UW-Whitewater, meanwhile, dominated No. 1/2 Mary Hardin-Baylor (Texas) in a 26-7 road victory, out-gaining the Warhawks 358-140 and possessing the ball for over 42 minutes."

So the writers and editors of this sentence thought that UMHB was the Warhawks.....or didn't know that UMHB was the Crusaders?   

I have no doubt that they know which team are Crusaders and which team are Warhawks.  It's an easy, innocent mistake to make when you've got both the look back and the look forward aspects of a weekly set of game notes in your head at the same time. 

[OzJohnnie]

UWW has been getting blasted as being a publicly funded university with less than quality education.   But straight from the St. John's website; their game preview has this quote, "No.7 UW-Whitewater, meanwhile, dominated No. 1/2 Mary Hardin-Baylor (Texas) in a 26-7 road victory, out-gaining the Warhawks 358-140 and possessing the ball for over 42 minutes."

So the writers and editors of this sentence thought that UMHB was the Warhawks.....or didn't know that UMHB was the Crusaders?   

I have no doubt that they know which team are Crusaders and which team are Warhawks.  It's an easy, innocent mistake to make when you've got both the look back and the look forward aspects of a weekly set of game notes in your head at the same time. 

You need to use more simple words, wally.

[USee]

Wheaton gave up 1 of the 5 TD's because of a mental lapse. The other 4 were well covered receivers where Erdman just threw it to the right spot (from 25-50 yds away) and or the receiver made a great catch. Wheaton hit Erdman many times with their DL. Sacked him basically 5x (3 recorded sacks and 2 that went for 1-2 yd gains off scrambles) 3 of his 5 TD's were scrambles from pressure where he made a throw and the receiver made a catch. Wheaton had probably 7-9 other hits/pressures on Erdman where he threw it away or got it off as we hit him.

I seriously doubt UWW is gonna get to him any more that Wheaton did. They may get to him a similar number of times and their DB's may make more plays than Wheaton's did on the ball, that remains to be seen. Wheaton played against plenty of other offenses that were capable and they were one of the better defenses in the country at limiting big plays. The thing is, Erdman isn't going to throw it deep 1 or 2 times like most teams. he is gonna do it 10-15 times. That's pretty unusual and can test even the best defensive strategies.

I get the arrogance UWW has and should have. I believe they will be int he right spots. I believe they will get pressure on Erdman. I think all that will matter. How much? Don't know. Bigger key is can UWW offense score enough to put more pressure on Erdman and company? Wheaton fell behind early and never really got to put pressure on StJ until second half, when their strategy began to work. If UWW can get a lead, I think that's better.

Looking forward to a great game.

[emma17]

Welp, count me among those who think stuff like blocking and tackling will have a far greater effect on the outcome than 13-year-ago Stagg Bowls or magic. Any of y'all going? I may or may not be sharing some of my pregame Fireball in the Fieldhouse lot.

Ooh, so profound.
Here I thought all UWW had to do was point toward the National Championship banners and SJU would forfeit.

The game is much more than blocking and tackling. There is a big advantage to program tradition in many ways. To me, recent history is important because there are still several coaches on the team that coached through all those playoff games and Stagg Bowls. With that experience, they bring not only knowledge, but proof of their game planning to face the best of the best. UWW players, like the very DB's that will be in the exact same situations as Wheaton, Aurora and all the rest were, should be in better position to not only block and tackle, but excel in the mental aspect of the game, partly due to the success of previous years.
That's my opinion.   

[AO]

If UWW can get a lead, I think that's better.

[WarhawkDad]

UWW has been getting blasted as being a publicly funded university with less than quality education.   But straight from the St. John's website; their game preview has this quote, "No.7 UW-Whitewater, meanwhile, dominated No. 1/2 Mary Hardin-Baylor (Texas) in a 26-7 road victory, out-gaining the Warhawks 358-140 and possessing the ball for over 42 minutes."

So the writers and editors of this sentence thought that UMHB was the Warhawks.....or didn't know that UMHB was the Crusaders?   

I have no doubt that they know which team are Crusaders and which team are Warhawks.  It's an easy, innocent mistake to make when you've got both the look back and the look forward aspects of a weekly set of game notes in your head at the same time.

So says another private school supporter.