FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[02 Warhawk]

This WR group is going to be ridiculous.

[fredfalcon]

UWRF vs Hendrix may be affected by last weeks's postponement of H's first game  w/ Austin College due to Covid 19 issues at Austin College.  H. is predicted to finish third in their conference by the coaches.

[OzJohnnie]

You know football is back when the prevailing WW discussion is "Are we going to obliterate them or simply pulverise them?"

I was feeling a little nostalgic for hating the Tommies but I've since realised there is still some purple around that earns plenty of ire.

[bleedpurple]

You know football is back when the prevailing WW discussion is "Are we going to obliterate them or simply pulverise them?"

I was feeling a little nostalgic for hating the Tommies but I've since realised there is still some purple around that earns plenty of ire.

Doing well Oz, thanks for asking. How have you been?

[02 Warhawk]

You know football is back when the prevailing WW discussion is "Are we going to obliterate them or simply pulverise them?"

I was feeling a little nostalgic for hating the Tommies but I've since realised there is still some purple around that earns plenty of ire.

Doing well Oz, thanks for asking. How have you been?

Probably still bitter on how 2019 ended.   

[colinsteinke]

You know football is back when the prevailing WW discussion is "Are we going to obliterate them or simply pulverise them?"

I was feeling a little nostalgic for hating the Tommies but I've since realised there is still some purple around that earns plenty of ire.

Doing well Oz, thanks for asking. How have you been?

Probably still bitter on how 2019 ended.   

[02 Warhawk]

Let's hope Wiz's test comes back clear before travel date.

I would think UWW will be better served with longer sustained drives from the Warhawk offense for this game in particular. That Salisbury option offense is pretty good at keeping the defense on the field for long stretches.

Or, we jump on them early and they get less and less comfortable playing from behind as the game wears on. Nothing makes a Salisbury offense less comfortable than falling behind by three scores or more.

Given how heavy Salisbury is on running the ball, I don't think they're really built to come from behind quickly. A couple of quick scores could seal the deal early given how dominant our defense looked on Saturday.

Yup, that's why they don't do particularly well against the top tier teams in the playoffs.

True enough. It's also true that quick strike teams don't do particularly well in the playoffs.

Yeah, Mount Union for example, has really struggled over the years.

Was thinking the same thing. Kmic, Garçon, Shorts. All of them torched UWW for big plays en route to winning the Stagg Bowls '05, '06 and '08.

Not to mention the ones they won before UWW came into the Stagg Bowl picture.

Only one game into the season and we take up where we left off.
For clarification, I don't consider long touchdown runs as part of a "quick strike offense"- it's my opinion.
02 and Bleed - I think you'd be surprised at the low number of Mt Union drives that were quick strike against UWW or in general. 08 had two in first quarter- absolutely an anomaly.
Take a look at the Mt box score vs Westminster last week. 4 (31 yd TD run), 6 and 7 play drives all ended w a rushing TD. Then 11, 11, 10 and 9 play drives ending in TD's. Take a look at UWW's scoring drives.

I'm not jumping to any conclusions about this year's UWW team (I hardly saw any of the broadcast due to technical difficulties somewhere along the line)- sometimes a team can't help but score.
That said, the game plan sets the stage. These non con games are the time to work on the team's identity/strength.
We saw the struggles UWW had when the UWO OC came to candyland.

Mark my words, if this

I can't mark your words if you don't type them.

I did as you suggested and looked at each of UW-W's first half scoring drives:

One note: Each drive started in Carthage territory. That certainly opens up the playbook. It also can limit the number of plays necessary to score:

Scoring Drive One: 41 yards.  Alex Peete scores on a 35 yard run. Not "quick strike" by your definition.
Scoring Drive Two: 47 yards.  47 yard TD pass from Max Meylor to Tyler Holte. Quick strike by all definitions.
Scoring Drive Three: 7 plays, 59 yards: Longest run of the drive 26 yards. Longest completion 15 yards. TD, Alex Peete one yard run.  Not "quick strike".
Scoring Drive Four: 4 plays, 44 yards: Longest passes: 15 yard screen pass, 20 yard completion. TD, Alex Peete one yard run. Not exactly bombs away.
Scoring Drive Five: 12 plays, 59 yards.  I'm assuming that's what you are looking for.
Scoring Drive Six: 45 yards.  45 yard TD from Meylor to tight end Michael Berentes. Quick Strike

To each his own, but not finding anything to worry about.

Plus Carthage just wasn't that good. I really don't think we have to worry about UWW scoring too quick, too often each week. Especially with tougher competition on the horizon.

It's been years since we had a complimentary high octane pass game to match our #poundtherock foundation. I really don't think that's a bad thing, especially with our defense.

I mentioned this earlier, but I wonder if the Hawks are in a transition period. It seems over the years we've been getting away from pounding the rock, and evolving more towards a passing team. Actually football in general (pros and college) have been experiencing the same thing. Games in which backs getting 20 carries for 100 yards are becoming less and less frequent at every level. I think we first started seeing this when Lance left. It seemed like the new coaches tried to force the passing game, and it didn't quite work out. Many times it seemed Wilber would just chuck it down field and hope for the best.

Now, however, I truly believe we have the talent in place for a pass-first offense to actually succeed. Then have the pass setup the run game (which is the opposite of the style of football we're used to seeing at UWW). With Max and Evan at QB, while having targets like Wis, Kumerow, Delany, Holte and Berentes....my god this offense is going to be very fun to watch. Lots of speed and size. 

I know it's just one game, but against Carthage I was kind of surprised at the frequency at which we were chucking it down field. Even when we had a big lead. Peete only had 9 carries that game, which is crazy. I think half of those carries we was just brought in at the goal line to just punch it in.

[colinsteinke]

Let's hope Wiz's test comes back clear before travel date.

I would think UWW will be better served with longer sustained drives from the Warhawk offense for this game in particular. That Salisbury option offense is pretty good at keeping the defense on the field for long stretches.

Or, we jump on them early and they get less and less comfortable playing from behind as the game wears on. Nothing makes a Salisbury offense less comfortable than falling behind by three scores or more.

Given how heavy Salisbury is on running the ball, I don't think they're really built to come from behind quickly. A couple of quick scores could seal the deal early given how dominant our defense looked on Saturday.

Yup, that's why they don't do particularly well against the top tier teams in the playoffs.

True enough. It's also true that quick strike teams don't do particularly well in the playoffs.

Yeah, Mount Union for example, has really struggled over the years.

Was thinking the same thing. Kmic, Garçon, Shorts. All of them torched UWW for big plays en route to winning the Stagg Bowls '05, '06 and '08.

Not to mention the ones they won before UWW came into the Stagg Bowl picture.

Only one game into the season and we take up where we left off.
For clarification, I don't consider long touchdown runs as part of a "quick strike offense"- it's my opinion.
02 and Bleed - I think you'd be surprised at the low number of Mt Union drives that were quick strike against UWW or in general. 08 had two in first quarter- absolutely an anomaly.
Take a look at the Mt box score vs Westminster last week. 4 (31 yd TD run), 6 and 7 play drives all ended w a rushing TD. Then 11, 11, 10 and 9 play drives ending in TD's. Take a look at UWW's scoring drives.

I'm not jumping to any conclusions about this year's UWW team (I hardly saw any of the broadcast due to technical difficulties somewhere along the line)- sometimes a team can't help but score.
That said, the game plan sets the stage. These non con games are the time to work on the team's identity/strength.
We saw the struggles UWW had when the UWO OC came to candyland.

Mark my words, if this

I can't mark your words if you don't type them.

I did as you suggested and looked at each of UW-W's first half scoring drives:

One note: Each drive started in Carthage territory. That certainly opens up the playbook. It also can limit the number of plays necessary to score:

Scoring Drive One: 41 yards.  Alex Peete scores on a 35 yard run. Not "quick strike" by your definition.
Scoring Drive Two: 47 yards.  47 yard TD pass from Max Meylor to Tyler Holte. Quick strike by all definitions.
Scoring Drive Three: 7 plays, 59 yards: Longest run of the drive 26 yards. Longest completion 15 yards. TD, Alex Peete one yard run.  Not "quick strike".
Scoring Drive Four: 4 plays, 44 yards: Longest passes: 15 yard screen pass, 20 yard completion. TD, Alex Peete one yard run. Not exactly bombs away.
Scoring Drive Five: 12 plays, 59 yards.  I'm assuming that's what you are looking for.
Scoring Drive Six: 45 yards.  45 yard TD from Meylor to tight end Michael Berentes. Quick Strike

To each his own, but not finding anything to worry about.

Plus Carthage just wasn't that good. I really don't think we have to worry about UWW scoring too quick, too often each week. Especially with tougher competition on the horizon.

It's been years since we had a complimentary high octane pass game to match our #poundtherock foundation. I really don't think that's a bad thing, especially with our defense.

I mentioned this earlier, but I wonder if the Hawks are in a transition period. It seems over the years we've been getting away from pounding the rock, and evolving more towards a passing team. Actually football in general (pros and college) have been experiencing the same thing. Games in which backs getting 20 carries for 100 yards are becoming less and less frequent at every level. I think we first started seeing this when Lance left. It seemed like the new coaches tried to force the passing game, and it didn't quite work out. Many times it seemed Wilber would just chuck it down field and hope for the best.

Now, however, I truly believe we have the talent in place for a pass-first offense to actually succeed. Then have the pass setup the run game (which is the opposite of the style of football we're used to seeing at UWW). With Max and Evan at QB, while having targets like Wis, Kumerow, Delany, Holte and Berentes....my god this offense is going to be very fun to watch. Lots of speed and size. 

I know it's just one game, but against Carthage I was kind of surprised at the frequency at which we were chucking it down field. Even when we had a big lead. Peete only had 9 carries that game, which is crazy. I think half of those carries we was just brought in at the goal line to just punch it in.

This is a good observation. Jennings does seem to want to throw the ball more....and call QB draws regularly.

[bleedpurple]

Let's hope Wiz's test comes back clear before travel date.

I would think UWW will be better served with longer sustained drives from the Warhawk offense for this game in particular. That Salisbury option offense is pretty good at keeping the defense on the field for long stretches.

Or, we jump on them early and they get less and less comfortable playing from behind as the game wears on. Nothing makes a Salisbury offense less comfortable than falling behind by three scores or more.

Given how heavy Salisbury is on running the ball, I don't think they're really built to come from behind quickly. A couple of quick scores could seal the deal early given how dominant our defense looked on Saturday.

Yup, that's why they don't do particularly well against the top tier teams in the playoffs.

True enough. It's also true that quick strike teams don't do particularly well in the playoffs.

Yeah, Mount Union for example, has really struggled over the years.

Was thinking the same thing. Kmic, Garçon, Shorts. All of them torched UWW for big plays en route to winning the Stagg Bowls '05, '06 and '08.

Not to mention the ones they won before UWW came into the Stagg Bowl picture.

Only one game into the season and we take up where we left off.
For clarification, I don't consider long touchdown runs as part of a "quick strike offense"- it's my opinion.
02 and Bleed - I think you'd be surprised at the low number of Mt Union drives that were quick strike against UWW or in general. 08 had two in first quarter- absolutely an anomaly.
Take a look at the Mt box score vs Westminster last week. 4 (31 yd TD run), 6 and 7 play drives all ended w a rushing TD. Then 11, 11, 10 and 9 play drives ending in TD's. Take a look at UWW's scoring drives.

I'm not jumping to any conclusions about this year's UWW team (I hardly saw any of the broadcast due to technical difficulties somewhere along the line)- sometimes a team can't help but score.
That said, the game plan sets the stage. These non con games are the time to work on the team's identity/strength.
We saw the struggles UWW had when the UWO OC came to candyland.

Mark my words, if this

I can't mark your words if you don't type them.

I did as you suggested and looked at each of UW-W's first half scoring drives:

One note: Each drive started in Carthage territory. That certainly opens up the playbook. It also can limit the number of plays necessary to score:

Scoring Drive One: 41 yards.  Alex Peete scores on a 35 yard run. Not "quick strike" by your definition.
Scoring Drive Two: 47 yards.  47 yard TD pass from Max Meylor to Tyler Holte. Quick strike by all definitions.
Scoring Drive Three: 7 plays, 59 yards: Longest run of the drive 26 yards. Longest completion 15 yards. TD, Alex Peete one yard run.  Not "quick strike".
Scoring Drive Four: 4 plays, 44 yards: Longest passes: 15 yard screen pass, 20 yard completion. TD, Alex Peete one yard run. Not exactly bombs away.
Scoring Drive Five: 12 plays, 59 yards.  I'm assuming that's what you are looking for.
Scoring Drive Six: 45 yards.  45 yard TD from Meylor to tight end Michael Berentes. Quick Strike

To each his own, but not finding anything to worry about.

Plus Carthage just wasn't that good. I really don't think we have to worry about UWW scoring too quick, too often each week. Especially with tougher competition on the horizon.

It's been years since we had a complimentary high octane pass game to match our #poundtherock foundation. I really don't think that's a bad thing, especially with our defense.

I mentioned this earlier, but I wonder if the Hawks are in a transition period. It seems over the years we've been getting away from pounding the rock, and evolving more towards a passing team. Actually football in general (pros and college) have been experiencing the same thing. Games in which backs getting 20 carries for 100 yards are becoming less and less frequent at every level. I think we first started seeing this when Lance left. It seemed like the new coaches tried to force the passing game, and it didn't quite work out. Many times it seemed Wilber would just chuck it down field and hope for the best.

Now, however, I truly believe we have the talent in place for a pass-first offense to actually succeed. Then have the pass setup the run game (which is the opposite of the style of football we're used to seeing at UWW). With Max and Evan at QB, while having targets like Wis, Kumerow, Delany, Holte and Berentes....my god this offense is going to be very fun to watch. Lots of speed and size. 

I know it's just one game, but against Carthage I was kind of surprised at the frequency at which we were chucking it down field. Even when we had a big lead. Peete only had 9 carries that game, which is crazy. I think half of those carries we was just brought in at the goal line to just punch it in.

This is a good observation. Jennings does seem to want to throw the ball more....and call QB draws regularly.

Peete didn't play all that deep into the game. Plus we sure used him effectively on screens!
I believe we are striving for balance. And, scoring a bunch of points. I don't think there is an anal concern to have balance in every game. But more being ABLE to both run and pass when the situation calls for it. If teams load up to stop one, We'll take the other. Saturday we ran the ball 32 times and threw it 23. Even in the first half it was balanced as we passed 18 times (including the PI penalties that don't count as an attempt) and ran it 16 times.

[WW]

I'm aware that Lewandowski had missed some practice, but jeez... he wasn't stellar. Wonder if Chryst (or other) will get a chance to play his way into the backup spot.

[colinsteinke]

I'm aware that Lewandowski had missed some practice, but jeez... he wasn't stellar. Wonder if Chryst (or other) will get a chance to play his way into the backup spot.

I don't know. That throw to Holte down the sideline was an excellent throw. Yea, he threw a couple of picks, but in terms of upside...let's let him settle in a bit before we decide that he can't even play.

[WW]

I'm aware that Lewandowski had missed some practice, but jeez... he wasn't stellar. Wonder if Chryst (or other) will get a chance to play his way into the backup spot.

I don't know. That throw to Holte down the sideline was an excellent throw. Yea, he threw a couple of picks, but in terms of upside...let's let him settle in a bit before we decide that he can't even play.

All I'm saying is the jury should still be out, and maybe the Chryst kid should get a shot. That's a bad part of the field to give away the football... twice... in one quarter... against backups.

To the north, Jaylen Grant might need to have his heels investigated. This guy is a national-champion burner for UWO track. His TD KO return was huge in UWO's opening-weekend win. You always wonder what straight track-speed guys can bring to a football team... that KO return certainly showed value of their contribution.

Otherwise, UWO looks like old-school bread and butter with MacCudden and Gerhartz pounding away, and Berghammer with mostly low-risk shots to a solid receiving crew. This team will probably not define itself by quick-strike drives (unless they figure a way to get Grant the ball more often). Maybe Emma would like them better.

[OzJohnnie]

You know football is back when the prevailing WW discussion is "Are we going to obliterate them or simply pulverise them?"

I was feeling a little nostalgic for hating the Tommies but I've since realised there is still some purple around that earns plenty of ire.

Doing well Oz, thanks for asking. How have you been?

Probably still bitter on how 2019 ended.   

I would give you credit for that but I honestly had to sit for a minute to remember how 2019 ended.  It's been a long time between drinks.

[bleedpurple]

You know football is back when the prevailing WW discussion is "Are we going to obliterate them or simply pulverise them?"

I was feeling a little nostalgic for hating the Tommies but I've since realised there is still some purple around that earns plenty of ire.

Doing well Oz, thanks for asking. How have you been?

Probably still bitter on how 2019 ended.   

I would give you credit for that but I honestly had to sit for a minute to remember how 2019 ended.  It's been a long time between drinks.

THAT is something we can all agree on!

[emma17]

Looking forward to the UWW game, not only as a Warhawk fan but also a fan of watching well-run option football.

Per game sheet, UWW traveling 910 miles each way via bus. Yikes.
UWW has two starting O linemen from the same high school- St. Lawrence. You don't see that very often.

A quick look at last time these two teams met up. Salisbury had 240 yards rushing, averaged over 5 yards per carry.
UWW had some impressive scoring drives - 9, 10, 11, 10 and a 3 play drive ending in an 80 yard Coppage run.