FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[retagent]

,,, and absolutely nothing having to do with expanding the pool of athletes you can recruit. I get it.

[bleedpurple]

,,, and absolutely nothing having to do with expanding the pool of athletes you can recruit. I get it.

Actually, it is the inverse.  Let's take...oh, I don't know...U-Dub-Dub and St. John's as an example....just to pick one out of the thin air. 

U-Dub-Dub's admission standards are what they are. Neither illegal nor unethical. In fact, given the opportunities U-Dub-Dub has provided to thousands of people that would have been rejected at St. John's, it can be rightly argued that those admission standards are COMMENDABLE.  But I regress.
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So U-Dub-Dub has admission standards that are neither illegal nor unethical.  St. John's, as a private university, has every right to have the exact same admission standards as U-Dub-Dub.  But they choose a different standard. Their choice and they have every right to make it.  But then let's be clear as to what is happening instead of spinning it to land St. John's as the victim.  UW-W isn't expanding the pool of athletes they can recruit, St. John's is restricting the pool of athletes THEY can recruit. There is a difference. 

Your gripe is not with UW-W. It's with your own school.  If you feel like their policies create a disparity, take it up with St. John's.  If you disagree with their restrictive admissions and financial requirements that results in a student population that is comprised of only 5.8% African American students and undoubtedly eliminates other worthy student-athlete candidates as well, then take it up with St. John's.  If you agree with St. John's policies, then you really have nothing to complain about. 

I feel like you create a straw man and then argue against it. For the most part at least, I don't think most WIAC fans deny there are advantages to being public schools.  I think the argument is more that the advantages aren't as pronounced as some would have you believe given some of the grant money available at privates.  We lost a basketball player to Illinois Wesleyan because he couldn't afford to attend UW-W after his freshman year.  He wanted to attend UW-W.  Couldn't afford it. Somehow, some way, IWU found a way to make it cheaper for him to attend there. Huh.

And another thing, lol. You cite the five teams the WIAC have in the range of the Top 25. You do realize that does make it much harder for your favorite target (UW-W) to even make the playoffs each year than St. John's right?  Like, a LOT harder.  Some advantage...

[badgerwarhawk]

I had a friend who's son was a very good baseball player.  His college choices came down to UWW and Carthage.  He was all set to come to UWW until Carthage increased their academic scholarship offer by adding a band scholarship.  My friend's son has never played a musical instrument and had absolutely nothing to do with the band for the four years at Carthage.  But he had a hell of baseball career there.  So spare us all this bull****.  I'm sick of it. 

[emma17]

Hey BW, don't let guys like Ret get under your skin- they actually take pleasure in doing so (a personality trait I never understood).

Feel good about the fact that UWW makes the most of everything it can, resulting in an awesome experience for all associated with the program.

[02 Warhawk]

,,, and absolutely nothing having to do with expanding the pool of athletes you can recruit. I get it.

Actually, it is the inverse.  Let's take...oh, I don't know...U-Dub-Dub and St. John's as an example....just to pick one out of the thin air. 

U-Dub-Dub's admission standards are what they are. Neither illegal nor unethical. In fact, given the opportunities U-Dub-Dub has provided to thousands of people that would have been rejected at St. John's, it can be rightly argued that those admission standards are COMMENDABLE.  But I regress.
h
So U-Dub-Dub has admission standards that are neither illegal nor unethical.  St. John's, as a private university, has every right to have the exact same admission standards as U-Dub-Dub.  But they choose a different standard. Their choice and they have every right to make it.  But then let's be clear as to what is happening instead of spinning it to land St. John's as the victim.  UW-W isn't expanding the pool of athletes they can recruit, St. John's is restricting the pool of athletes THEY can recruit. There is a difference. 

Your gripe is not with UW-W. It's with your own school.  If you feel like their policies create a disparity, take it up with St. John's.  If you disagree with their restrictive admissions and financial requirements that results in a student population that is comprised of only 5.8% African American students and undoubtedly eliminates other worthy student-athlete candidates as well, then take it up with St. John's.  If you agree with St. John's policies, then you really have nothing to complain about. 

I feel like you create a straw man and then argue against it. For the most part at least, I don't think most WIAC fans deny there are advantages to being public schools.  I think the argument is more that the advantages aren't as pronounced as some would have you believe given some of the grant money available at privates.  We lost a basketball player to Illinois Wesleyan because he couldn't afford to attend UW-W after his freshman year.  He wanted to attend UW-W.  Couldn't afford it. Somehow, some way, IWU found a way to make it cheaper for him to attend there. Huh.

And another thing, lol. You cite the five teams the WIAC have in the range of the Top 25. You do realize that does make it much harder for your favorite target (UW-W) to even make the playoffs each year than St. John's right?  Like, a LOT harder.  Some advantage...

Post of the Year nomination

[02 Warhawk]

And I know WarhawkDad always talked about how NCC recruited his son. But he ultimately chose UWW b/c it was a better fit. even though all the grant money NCC threw at him, NCC would have been the cheaper option.

Believe me, paying out of state tuition for UWW was no picnic.

[retagent]

I've NEVER, NEVER said or implied or hinted that the advantages I think the UW schools, and possibly others have, is unfair, unethical or wrong. I just state what I believe are facts. You (plural) attack me for that which I have not stated. There are other schools that have advantages as well. Just to pick a school at random, we'll take St John's. There are advantages in once having a renowned coach, and having won NCAA titles, and being featured in a book and on a number of television shows. Some of those are rather old, and may no longer apply. It is also situated in a place that can be an advantage and a disadvantage as well. Recently, UWW has had the notoriety of winning a fairly significant number of National Titles. That brings notoriety and is an advantage as well. Just pointing out such things, and acknowledging that they are real, is all I ask. Linfield, Mt Union Mary Hardin Baylor, have had recent, and, in some cases, long time success. Success breeds success. But, such factors can also evaporate. It is to the credit of UWW that they have maintained a success rate that other WIAC schools have not, that would seemingly have some of those same factors at work.

I am not trying to be a Richard, just asking that reality be acknowledged.

[DuffMan]

...just asking that reality be acknowledged.

But why do you care so much if they do or don't acknowledge? 

[02 Warhawk]

...just asking that reality be acknowledged.

But why do you care so much if they do or don't acknowledge? 

Inferiority complex. I'm a Cubs fan living in Milwaukee. I experience the same sort of behavior here. Brewers fans love to torment the Cubs as much as they like to see their own team win. Boy, the stories I have can fill up this thread.

Also, he states "other schools have advantages as well", but to my knowledge he only trolls the WIAC board reminding us of this...and no where else.

[emma17]

Ret,
Your most recent tangent is not program specific (unlike the examples in your last post), but conference specific.

When you can't see what is obvious, you are only fooling yourself. How would you explain the 5 WIAC teams in the Top 25? Any other conference that has done that in your memory?

It's my understanding your position is "we WIAC people must acknowledge the reason there are five highly ranked teams in the conference is due to an inherent advantage- NOT associated with any particular historical success".

[retagent]

Generally, yes. But it's a part of the whole. My question back is why does it seem that it's that important to deny those advantages. Again, if there are advantages, it still is incumbent to exploit the advantages you have.

[D O.C.]

Just what is Levell Coppage up nowadays?

[02 Warhawk]

Just what is Levell Coppage up nowadays?

Huh?

[bleedpurple]

Just what is Levell Coppage up nowadays?

Huh?

Just an attempt to put some bait on a hook by someone who has trouble with complete sentences.

[02 Warhawk]

Just what is Levell Coppage up nowadays?

Huh?

Just an attempt to put some bait on a hook by someone who has trouble with complete sentences.

This reminds me of that scene with Drax in Avengers: Infinity War

I'll do you one better, why is Levell Coppage up nowadays?!