FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Looks like he celebrated five years being married this past summer and has a toddler.

It's weird, 10 years later, that the guy from California who roots for a team in Oregon is hung up over a marijuana charge.

This is actually a really good example of how the world has changed. Who gives a f*** at this point?

[02 Warhawk]

Anything to drag UWW through the mud, Pat

[emma17]

Generally, yes. But it's a part of the whole. My question back is why does it seem that it's that important to deny those advantages. Again, if there are advantages, it still is incumbent to exploit the advantages you have.

From my point of view- I think others on this board have agreed the WIAC does have some advantages. I think it's been made clear and agreed upon the WIAC doesn't have to compete with in-state scholarship schools- a WIAC advantage. The WIAC has lower admission standards than many other conferences- I think that's been acknowledged.

Is there something more you are looking for? Something that makes you feel better about yourself or whatever conference you feel would perform better if only it had the WIAC advantages?

I am old enough to recall the days when UWW was a .500 team and the only real national threat was UWL. It's odd there weren't other WIAC programs in the national picture seeing as how the same advantages existed way back when.

Truth is, you're starting to sound like a soccer parent- trophies for everybody!!
You could spend some of your deep thought time investigating what it is that UWW, UWL, UWO, UWRF are doing administratively and big picture that enables them to field such competitive teams.

[Pat Coleman]

And, frankly, MORE advantages existed back then because schools were able to use traditional redshirting.

[TheChucker]

Generally, yes. But it's a part of the whole. My question back is why does it seem that it's that important to deny those advantages. Again, if there are advantages, it still is incumbent to exploit the advantages you have.

From my point of view- I think others on this board have agreed the WIAC does have some advantages. I think it's been made clear and agreed upon the WIAC doesn't have to compete with in-state scholarship schools- a WIAC advantage. The WIAC has lower admission standards than many other conferences- I think that's been acknowledged.

Is there something more you are looking for? Something that makes you feel better about yourself or whatever conference you feel would perform better if only it had the WIAC advantages?

I am old enough to recall the days when UWW was a .500 team and the only real national threat was UWL. It's odd there weren't other WIAC programs in the national picture seeing as how the same advantages existed way back when.

Truth is, you're starting to sound like a soccer parent- trophies for everybody!!
You could spend some of your deep thought time investigating what it is that UWW, UWL, UWO, UWRF are doing administratively and big picture that enables them to field such competitive teams.

In the end, I don't think academic requirements and student aid/cost are significant WIAC competitive advantages, at least for the private schools that emphasize athletics. High academic requirements can be just as attractive to some students/parents as lower requirements are to others. Private schools might need to be creative, but they can create financial packages that are competitive with public schools (the case with my kid that currently attends a private school). Institutionally, the average athletic department budgets in the WIAC and MIAC are near identical the last time I looked.

I think the main competitive advantage the WIAC might have is that there is no D2 nor NAIA football in the state which helps them compete for athletes. That factor probably helps create a floor a the bottom of the conference, but the best teams still need to be superior in all other factors to win. Someone else pointed out elsewhere, other states like New York don't have D2 either, but those teams are seldom relevant nationally. Success still boils down to each individual school's dedication to athletics, football, and team excellence. 

[02 Warhawk]

Generally, yes. But it's a part of the whole. My question back is why does it seem that it's that important to deny those advantages. Again, if there are advantages, it still is incumbent to exploit the advantages you have.

From my point of view- I think others on this board have agreed the WIAC does have some advantages. I think it's been made clear and agreed upon the WIAC doesn't have to compete with in-state scholarship schools- a WIAC advantage. The WIAC has lower admission standards than many other conferences- I think that's been acknowledged.

Is there something more you are looking for? Something that makes you feel better about yourself or whatever conference you feel would perform better if only it had the WIAC advantages?

I am old enough to recall the days when UWW was a .500 team and the only real national threat was UWL. It's odd there weren't other WIAC programs in the national picture seeing as how the same advantages existed way back when.

Truth is, you're starting to sound like a soccer parent- trophies for everybody!!
You could spend some of your deep thought time investigating what it is that UWW, UWL, UWO, UWRF are doing administratively and big picture that enables them to field such competitive teams.

In the end, I don't think academic requirements and student aid/cost are significant WIAC competitive advantages, at least for the private schools that emphasize athletics. High academic requirements can be just as attractive to some students/parents as lower requirements are to others. Private schools might need to be creative, but they can create financial packages that are competitive with public schools (the case with my kid that currently attends a private school). Institutionally, the average athletic department budgets in the WIAC and MIAC are near identical the last time I looked.

I think the main competitive advantage the WIAC might have is that there is no D2 nor NAIA football in the state which helps them compete for athletes. That factor probably helps create a floor a the bottom of the conference, but the best teams still need to be superior in all other factors to win. Someone else pointed out elsewhere, other states like New York don't have D2 either, but those teams are seldom relevant nationally. Success still boils down to each individual school's dedication to athletics, football, and team excellence.

These two paragraphs perfectly sum up exactly what we've been saying for years.

As far as individual school's go, I do think UWW's location is a big factor. They are the closest WIAC school to the Madison, Milwaukee and Chicago area, which makes recruiting easier. However, they don't offer tuition reciprocity, like UWP does (or did, at least). I know they do it for Minnesota residents, but I thought they offered it for Illinois residents as well at some point.

Also, getting Lance Leipold as a coach here from 2007-2014 was the best thing that could have happened to the program. He built a perennial winner, and is probably the hottest coaching prospect in the country right now...given his success at Whitewater, Buffalo and now Kansas.

[D3fanboy]

Lance Leipold is an absolute dawg.  He's going to kill it at his next stop, unless its Nebraska.  He matched LK's mantra: players/formations/plays.  Whether it was Coppage running behind those massive O-Lines or Kumerow's big body and speed at WR, he used his player's best attributes to win.  I forget the UWW QB that was a dawg as well, something with a B.  The best thing about D3 coaches going big time is that they keep that D3, more than football mentality.  I can't wait to see the Gameday segments about LL, whether its maximizing Kumerow's ability to get him a 5+ year NFL career, or Coppage being a top notch salesman, or any of the countless Warhawks that are still champions off of the field. 

[bleedpurple]

Lance Leipold is an absolute dawg.  He's going to kill it at his next stop, unless its Nebraska.  He matched LK's mantra: players/formations/plays.  Whether it was Coppage running behind those massive O-Lines or Kumerow's big body and speed at WR, he used his player's best attributes to win.  I forget the UWW QB that was a dawg as well, something with a B.  The best thing about D3 coaches going big time is that they keep that D3, more than football mentality.  I can't wait to see the Gameday segments about LL, whether its maximizing Kumerow's ability to get him a 5+ year NFL career, or Coppage being a top notch salesman, or any of the countless Warhawks that are still champions off of the field.

I almost never do the K thing, but +K.

[DuffMan]

...he used his player's best attributes to win.

Something Gagliardi started in the 50s. 

['95 Blugold]

Generally, yes. But it's a part of the whole. My question back is why does it seem that it's that important to deny those advantages. Again, if there are advantages, it still is incumbent to exploit the advantages you have.

From my point of view- I think others on this board have agreed the WIAC does have some advantages. I think it's been made clear and agreed upon the WIAC doesn't have to compete with in-state scholarship schools- a WIAC advantage. The WIAC has lower admission standards than many other conferences- I think that's been acknowledged.

Is there something more you are looking for? Something that makes you feel better about yourself or whatever conference you feel would perform better if only it had the WIAC advantages?

I am old enough to recall the days when UWW was a .500 team and the only real national threat was UWL. It's odd there weren't other WIAC programs in the national picture seeing as how the same advantages existed way back when.

Truth is, you're starting to sound like a soccer parent- trophies for everybody!!
You could spend some of your deep thought time investigating what it is that UWW, UWL, UWO, UWRF are doing administratively and big picture that enables them to field such competitive teams.

I'm still waiting for this competitive WIAC advantage to filter down to my Blugolds' football program. Evidently we use ours mostly for volleyball and men's track & field.

That said, who schedules Whitewater for their Homecoming?? We do. I'm looking at something like a 56-14 type of score probably come tomorrow afternoon, though 56 may be a bit low for Whitewater.

[DuffMan]

I'm still waiting for this competitive WIAC advantage to filter down to my Blugolds' football program.

UWEC had their brief time to shine in the late 90s.

[02 Warhawk]

I'm still waiting for this competitive WIAC advantage to filter down to my Blugolds' football program.

UWEC had their brief time to shine in the late 90s.

Yeah, when I was at whitewater I think UWEC was the team to beat in the late 90s. Them and UWRF, and that damn wishbone offense

[WarhawkDad]

Looks like he celebrated five years being married this past summer and has a toddler.

It's weird, 10 years later, that the guy from California who roots for a team in Oregon is hung up over a marijuana charge.

This is actually a really good example of how the world has changed. Who gives a f*** at this point?

Amen!!!

['95 Blugold]

I'm still waiting for this competitive WIAC advantage to filter down to my Blugolds' football program.

UWEC had their brief time to shine in the late 90s.

Yeah, when I was at whitewater I think UWEC was the team to beat in the late 90s. Them and UWRF, and that damn wishbone offense

1998 they made the playoffs and lost in the semis I believe to Rowan. Unfortunately,  I was in the South at Grad school during that time. I was there in the early 90s and we were that good, but rather competitive for the most part. Early 2000s to present they started decent and were competitive, but have really tailed off the past 10 years. Though we were about to turn the corner around 2018/2019, but we've regressed even worse since.

[bleedpurple]

"WIAC Predictions"

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