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badgerwarhawk

Quote from: colinsteinke on October 03, 2023, 09:25:19 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 02, 2023, 11:05:45 AM
Quote from: cubs on October 02, 2023, 10:50:23 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 30, 2023, 06:25:25 PM
Haven't seen a UW0 that inept in quite some time. For 2/3 of the game they couldn't move the ball or stop us. 
Say what you want, but the current version of UWO doesn't resemble anything even close to what Cerroni and his staff built over his time there....  I don't see the current regime being a threat to to win the WIAC anytime soon either....

100% agree. From what I gather Jennings is a great guy, players seem to like him. But I really like where UWW's offense is at now, compared back to when he ran the offense for UWW.

I was a bit worried last year, but it seems Pesik is hitting his stride this year; maybe more freedom? Who knows how the different head coaches philosophies would play into that, but I don't remember Bullis ever fake punting in his years, and that onside would have never happened.

And I agree. Jennings seems well liked by players, but if UW0 is the "couldn't start at UWW" team, it seems fitting that Jennings would coach that team. He would have been passed over by Rindahl for the head job even if he was still at UWW. Maybe he saw the writing on the wall and took the chance to go elsewhere.

As long as UWW continues to be who we think they are, they look to be on a collision course with NCC in December. I for one am looking forward to the possibility of four playoff games at The Perk once more.


Or maybe, as a young coach looking to advance his career, he saw an opportunity to lead a solid, winning program in the best DIII conference in the nation.
"Strange days have found us.  Strange days have tracked us down." .... J. Morrison

colinsteinke

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 03, 2023, 10:57:06 AM
Quote from: colinsteinke on October 03, 2023, 09:25:19 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 02, 2023, 11:05:45 AM
Quote from: cubs on October 02, 2023, 10:50:23 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 30, 2023, 06:25:25 PM
Haven't seen a UW0 that inept in quite some time. For 2/3 of the game they couldn't move the ball or stop us. 
Say what you want, but the current version of UWO doesn't resemble anything even close to what Cerroni and his staff built over his time there....  I don't see the current regime being a threat to to win the WIAC anytime soon either....

100% agree. From what I gather Jennings is a great guy, players seem to like him. But I really like where UWW's offense is at now, compared back to when he ran the offense for UWW.

I was a bit worried last year, but it seems Pesik is hitting his stride this year; maybe more freedom? Who knows how the different head coaches philosophies would play into that, but I don't remember Bullis ever fake punting in his years, and that onside would have never happened.

And I agree. Jennings seems well liked by players, but if UW0 is the "couldn't start at UWW" team, it seems fitting that Jennings would coach that team. He would have been passed over by Rindahl for the head job even if he was still at UWW. Maybe he saw the writing on the wall and took the chance to go elsewhere.

As long as UWW continues to be who we think they are, they look to be on a collision course with NCC in December. I for one am looking forward to the possibility of four playoff games at The Perk once more.


Or maybe, as a young coach looking to advance his career, he saw an opportunity to lead a solid, winning program in the best DIII conference in the nation.

Maybe. I'm sure that played a role. But was Jennings entirely unaware that Bullis was nearing the end of is tenure? It didn't sound like it was a very well kept secret. Maybe he knew he didn't have a shot at taking over UWW, so jumped at the UWO job. Oshkosh hasn't won more than 8 games in a season since 2017 and haven't made the playoffs since 2019.

Can Jennings recruit his way out of this little slump? I don't know. Berghammer was a Cerroni recruit. Who do they have behind him? UWW has made him look pedestrian the last two years.

Jennings had a couple of good years at UWW, and I am sure that UWO was trying to replicate that offensive success, but his first two years seem to be a bit lackluster. He always seemed to not be able to get his teams ready for the biggest of games; given their two losses this year it seems that is holding true.

bleedpurple

"Can Jennings recruit his way out of this little slump? I don't know. Berghammer was a Cerroni recruit. Who do they have behind him? UWW has made him look pedestrian the last two years."

In all the years posting, I think I am actually breaking new ground with what I am about to type. I'm pretty sure I have never weighed in remotely positively toward UW-0 when there has been a UW-0/UW-W discussion.

But I feel the need to point out that some of the key players that "made him look pedestrian the last two years" were players that Coach Jennings had a hand in bringing to UW-W.

The guy can recruit.  They will be fine.

(Just not as fine as us.  ;) )

colinsteinke

Quote from: bleedpurple on October 03, 2023, 01:27:36 PM
"Can Jennings recruit his way out of this little slump? I don't know. Berghammer was a Cerroni recruit. Who do they have behind him? UWW has made him look pedestrian the last two years."

In all the years posting, I think I am actually breaking new ground with what I am about to type. I'm pretty sure I have never weighed in remotely positively toward UW-0 when there has been a UW-0/UW-W discussion.

But I feel the need to point out that some of the key players that "made him look pedestrian the last two years" were players that Coach Jennings had a hand in bringing to UW-W.

The guy can recruit.  They will be fine.

(Just not as fine as us.  ;) )

Maybe I'm not as keyed in on this as I thought, and you can shed some light on it. Does the Offensive Coordinator (as Jennings was) go out and recruit the defensive players? Or do you focus on your position group, and say get involved during visits?

USee

I think most of the main players on UWO's 2 deep are from the former coach. I think they had 2 starters on offense and 1 on defense that were Soph or younger. It often takes a couple years for a first time HC to get his own recruits in and contributing.

emma17

I reckon this might ruffle some feathers "or knot some hair". As a parent, I don't want the head coach wearing a man bun/long hair and an unshaven face. I know, get out of 20th century.
The look drives me nuts. In my opinion, it smacks of a lack of discipline and degree of laziness.

There may be fewer and fewer of parents like me, but they are out there. Records aside, if Jennings comes to recruit my son one day and Lance Leipold or Jace Rindahl or Bob Berezowitz comes the next day- Jennings is starting in a deep hole.

Yes, I do know there are/were great high character coaches with long hair- Swider from Wheaton as an example.

bleedpurple

Quote from: colinsteinke on October 03, 2023, 02:48:57 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on October 03, 2023, 01:27:36 PM
"Can Jennings recruit his way out of this little slump? I don't know. Berghammer was a Cerroni recruit. Who do they have behind him? UWW has made him look pedestrian the last two years."

In all the years posting, I think I am actually breaking new ground with what I am about to type. I'm pretty sure I have never weighed in remotely positively toward UW-0 when there has been a UW-0/UW-W discussion.

But I feel the need to point out that some of the key players that "made him look pedestrian the last two years" were players that Coach Jennings had a hand in bringing to UW-W.



The guy can recruit.  They will be fine.

(Just not as fine as us.  ;) )

Maybe I'm not as keyed in on this as I thought, and you can shed some light on it. Does the Offensive Coordinator (as Jennings was) go out and recruit the defensive players? Or do you focus on your position group, and say get involved during visits?

The offensive coordinator definitely is more involved in the recruitment of offensive players than defensive players. But a lot of recruiting is also based on relationships with high school coaches and geography. But yes, at some point, in most recruiting systems, the position coach will be the key contact. Depdending on how the progam decides to do it, the initial contacts and visits are often divided among staff geographically.

bleedpurple

Quote from: emma17 on October 03, 2023, 06:20:05 PM
I reckon this might ruffle some feathers "or knot some hair". As a parent, I don't want the head coach wearing a man bun/long hair and an unshaven face. I know, get out of 20th century.
The look drives me nuts. In my opinion, it smacks of a lack of discipline and degree of laziness.

There may be fewer and fewer of parents like me, but they are out there. Records aside, if Jennings comes to recruit my son one day and Lance Leipold or Jace Rindahl or Bob Berezowitz comes the next day- Jennings is starting in a deep hole.

Yes, I do know there are/were great high character coaches with long hair- Swider from Wheaton as an example.

I'm pretty old school myself, but that is one pretty broad brush, my man!

retagent

I agree emma. Man buns should not appear in civilized society.

USee

Quote from: bleedpurple on October 03, 2023, 06:30:34 PM
Quote from: emma17 on October 03, 2023, 06:20:05 PM
I reckon this might ruffle some feathers "or knot some hair". As a parent, I don't want the head coach wearing a man bun/long hair and an unshaven face. I know, get out of 20th century.
The look drives me nuts. In my opinion, it smacks of a lack of discipline and degree of laziness.

There may be fewer and fewer of parents like me, but they are out there. Records aside, if Jennings comes to recruit my son one day and Lance Leipold or Jace Rindahl or Bob Berezowitz comes the next day- Jennings is starting in a deep hole.

Yes, I do know there are/were great high character coaches with long hair- Swider from Wheaton as an example.

I'm pretty old school myself, but that is one pretty broad brush, my man!

Well, he kind of crushes his own argument with the Swider example, who is the single best recruiter I have ever seen (and I have seen a lot). There were 500+ former players from the 80's on at his retirement dinner. And I can tell you he has had less than 50 haircuts in his 35+ years.

MasterJedi

Quote from: USee on October 04, 2023, 04:56:18 AM
Quote from: bleedpurple on October 03, 2023, 06:30:34 PM
Quote from: emma17 on October 03, 2023, 06:20:05 PM
I reckon this might ruffle some feathers "or knot some hair". As a parent, I don't want the head coach wearing a man bun/long hair and an unshaven face. I know, get out of 20th century.
The look drives me nuts. In my opinion, it smacks of a lack of discipline and degree of laziness.

There may be fewer and fewer of parents like me, but they are out there. Records aside, if Jennings comes to recruit my son one day and Lance Leipold or Jace Rindahl or Bob Berezowitz comes the next day- Jennings is starting in a deep hole.

Yes, I do know there are/were great high character coaches with long hair- Swider from Wheaton as an example.

I'm pretty old school myself, but that is one pretty broad brush, my man!

Well, he kind of crushes his own argument with the Swider example, who is the single best recruiter I have ever seen (and I have seen a lot). There were 500+ former players from the 80's on at his retirement dinner. And I can tell you he has had less than 50 haircuts in his 35+ years.

We're about 25 years away from not having to worry about this anymore. I can't wait, imagine judging a persons character that way. Better yet, don't trust that person who has the suit on, they're probably lying.

colinsteinke

Quote from: emma17 on October 03, 2023, 06:20:05 PM
I reckon this might ruffle some feathers "or knot some hair". As a parent, I don't want the head coach wearing a man bun/long hair and an unshaven face. I know, get out of 20th century.
The look drives me nuts. In my opinion, it smacks of a lack of discipline and degree of laziness.

There may be fewer and fewer of parents like me, but they are out there. Records aside, if Jennings comes to recruit my son one day and Lance Leipold or Jace Rindahl or Bob Berezowitz comes the next day- Jennings is starting in a deep hole.

Yes, I do know there are/were great high character coaches with long hair- Swider from Wheaton as an example.

I get it; I try my hardest not to judge people's character off of these sorts of decisions (style, grooming, what have you, though I do sometimes take issue with adults having blue hair), but I do think that it does send a message, even if he's not trying to. I've often thought the same thing about his twitter handle being PeteyBananas. It's just all sort of screamed unprofessional to me, and his UWW offenses seemed to lack discipline in some areas. Are they connected? Who knows. Maybe it's all just conjecture and annoyance. But I can understand how the vibe he puts off can sometimes be taken as the opposite of what you'd expect from a coach at a high level D3 football program. I'm sure he's a nice guy. But at the end of the day, is he a buddy, or is he your coach? Is he sharpening you, or just having fun with you?

We'll see how he handles the UW0 program going forward; he's still coaching mostly Cerroni players.

wally_wabash

Quote from: USee on October 04, 2023, 04:56:18 AM
Quote from: bleedpurple on October 03, 2023, 06:30:34 PM
Quote from: emma17 on October 03, 2023, 06:20:05 PM
I reckon this might ruffle some feathers "or knot some hair". As a parent, I don't want the head coach wearing a man bun/long hair and an unshaven face. I know, get out of 20th century.
The look drives me nuts. In my opinion, it smacks of a lack of discipline and degree of laziness.

There may be fewer and fewer of parents like me, but they are out there. Records aside, if Jennings comes to recruit my son one day and Lance Leipold or Jace Rindahl or Bob Berezowitz comes the next day- Jennings is starting in a deep hole.

Yes, I do know there are/were great high character coaches with long hair- Swider from Wheaton as an example.

I'm pretty old school myself, but that is one pretty broad brush, my man!

Well, he kind of crushes his own argument with the Swider example, who is the single best recruiter I have ever seen (and I have seen a lot). There were 500+ former players from the 80's on at his retirement dinner. And I can tell you he has had less than 50 haircuts in his 35+ years.

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The Third Division

Quote from: colinsteinke on October 04, 2023, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: emma17 on October 03, 2023, 06:20:05 PM
I reckon this might ruffle some feathers "or knot some hair". As a parent, I don't want the head coach wearing a man bun/long hair and an unshaven face. I know, get out of 20th century.
The look drives me nuts. In my opinion, it smacks of a lack of discipline and degree of laziness.

There may be fewer and fewer of parents like me, but they are out there. Records aside, if Jennings comes to recruit my son one day and Lance Leipold or Jace Rindahl or Bob Berezowitz comes the next day- Jennings is starting in a deep hole.

Yes, I do know there are/were great high character coaches with long hair- Swider from Wheaton as an example.

He brings recruits on a kayak on Lake Winnebago.
I get it; I try my hardest not to judge people's character off of these sorts of decisions (style, grooming, what have you, though I do sometimes take issue with adults having blue hair), but I do think that it does send a message, even if he's not trying to. I've often thought the same thing about his twitter handle being PeteyBananas. It's just all sort of screamed unprofessional to me, and his UWW offenses seemed to lack discipline in some areas. Are they connected? Who knows. Maybe it's all just conjecture and annoyance. But I can understand how the vibe he puts off can sometimes be taken as the opposite of what you'd expect from a coach at a high level D3 football program. I'm sure he's a nice guy. But at the end of the day, is he a buddy, or is he your coach? Is he sharpening you, or just having fun with you?

We'll see how he handles the UW0 program going forward; he's still coaching mostly Cerroni players.

badgerwarhawk

I've got so many other things to worry about that I just don't have the time to worry about how other people wear their hair, clothes, etc. I don't have any control over it so why waste the time and energy? 
"Strange days have found us.  Strange days have tracked us down." .... J. Morrison