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emma17

I think I missed something in thinking about playoff teams. If UWL loses only to UWRF, they'll have 2 total losses (making Pool C unlikely), but they'll only have one conference loss. If UWRF and UWW both win out, we have a three-way tie. If I remember- doesn't the conference tie-breaker go first to the last team to make the playoffs? That would be UWRF if the case. This scenario still plays well for UWW but not so much for UWL.

Sudsy

Updated tie-breaker rules for WIAC.  Can't get the link to work, but this is what it is from conference.

1.  Head-to-head results between all tied teams.  **

2.  Cumulative Won-Loss record vs. team higher in the standings.

3.  Record vs. teams in the standings in the descending order (i.e. #1 seed,, #2 seed, #3 seed).

4.  Tied teams are to be eliminated in reverse order of their last NCAA appearance beginning with the 1991 season ( AQ tiebreaker) / Isthmus Bowl appearance (Isthmus Bowl tiebreaker)

**  If two teams remain after a third or more teams are eliminated, the tie-breaker reverts back to criteria #1.

emma17

Thank you. What "standings" are they referring to?

Sudsy

Was looking at that and the only thing that makes sense is the league standings, I think??

badgerwarhawk

Quote from: emma17 on October 17, 2023, 02:58:00 PM
Thank you. What "standings" are they referring to?

I'm confused why you would think the WIAC tie breaker procedure would use any standings other than the WIAC regular season standings.  That's the tie they are trying to break.   ???
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bleedpurple

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 17, 2023, 09:42:48 PM
Quote from: emma17 on October 17, 2023, 02:58:00 PM
Thank you. What "standings" are they referring to?

I'm confused why you would think the WIAC tie breaker procedure would use any standings other than the WIAC regular season standings.  That's the tie they are trying to break.   ???

It's a little confusing because it really doesn't come into play for an NCAA bid because there ARE no higher teams in the standings.

emma17

Quote from: bleedpurple on October 18, 2023, 07:58:19 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on October 17, 2023, 09:42:48 PM
Quote from: emma17 on October 17, 2023, 02:58:00 PM
Thank you. What "standings" are they referring to?

I'm confused why you would think the WIAC tie breaker procedure would use any standings other than the WIAC regular season standings.  That's the tie they are trying to break.   ???

It's a little confusing because it really doesn't come into play for an NCAA bid because there ARE no higher teams in the standings.

Do you think tie-breaker #2 applies to each team's overall record? Thus, the UWL loss to HSU would eliminate UWL from the conference championship if all 3 teams finish with 1 conference loss.

Otherwise, I don't understand how the term standings would apply to a 3-way tie. If the tie-break doesn't contemplate overall record, then it appears rule #4 applies, right?
And then, if the Isthmus Bowl counts as a playoff appearance- all three are again tied.

Sudsy

Believe that the Isthmus Bowl tie-breaker is just for determining who goes to Isthmus Bowl.  It would take place after the playoff teams are selected if there were teams tied.

emma17

Ahh- so UWRF is in driver's seat for winning tie-breaker it would seem.

uwwcontra2007

Yeah, unless criteria #2 assumes overall record, as that might be a bit confusing, River Falls would get the Pool A bid assuming a three way tie, as they haven't been to the playoffs in this century if I recall correctly.  Whitewater, I assume given their current record of playing all currently or then-ranked teams and only having one loss on a walk off field goal, would get into Pool C (also I thought I saw somewhere they currently have the #2 SOS, did not see who was #1).

bleedpurple

Quote from: uwwcontra2007 on October 18, 2023, 12:38:37 PM
Yeah, unless criteria #2 assumes overall record, as that might be a bit confusing, River Falls would get the Pool A bid assuming a three way tie, as they haven't been to the playoffs in this century if I recall correctly.  Whitewater, I assume given their current record of playing all currently or then-ranked teams and only having one loss on a walk off field goal, would get into Pool C (also I thought I saw somewhere they currently have the #2 SOS, did not see who was #1).

I'd agree with this assessment. In the case of a three way tie, UW-W would fall into Pool C. But both in terms of SOS and likely regionally ranked opponents, I can't imagine anyone in the country having a stronger Pool C resume'. Of course, this assumes the three-way tie is among three teams with 6-1 WIAC records.

As has been mentioned again and again, everyone still has work to do.

uwwcontra2007

Yup, 4 more games, and a lot can happen in those 4 weeks.  Namely, one thing I notice is that UWL and UWRF both have to play Oshkosh, UWL and UWRF face each other, Whitewater still has to reclaim the giant Pick Axe (I'll be at that game with my big shiny sousaphone), and the WIAC is just gonna WIAC from here on out.  I absolutely love this conference where anything can happen.  For Whitewater, the focus is Stout.  Get through Saturday, get the Dub, and move on to the next one.

emma17

I'd love to see Vegas odds on the current top three WIAC teams finishing in the three-way tie.

The odds may say they will, but it feels like this conference has almost always defied. I'd have to look back, but I think UWP upended UWO once or twice when they were the underdog.

Truth be told I am hoping for the three-way tie of the current leaders.

02 Warhawk

Quote from: emma17 on October 19, 2023, 11:35:57 AM
I'd love to see Vegas odds on the current top three WIAC teams finishing in the three-way tie.

The odds may say they will, but it feels like this conference has almost always defied. I'd have to look back, but I think UWP upended UWO once or twice when they were the underdog.

Truth be told I am hoping for the three-way tie of the current leaders.

As a fan of UWW football, I for one do not.

As much of a shoo-in UWW seems to be as a one-loss Pool C team, I would rather not tempt fate and get that auto bid.

I'll be rooting for UW0 :-[ and UWRF against UWL.

bleedpurple

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on October 19, 2023, 12:22:32 PM
Quote from: emma17 on October 19, 2023, 11:35:57 AM
I'd love to see Vegas odds on the current top three WIAC teams finishing in the three-way tie.

The odds may say they will, but it feels like this conference has almost always defied. I'd have to look back, but I think UWP upended UWO once or twice when they were the underdog.

Truth be told I am hoping for the three-way tie of the current leaders.

As a fan of UWW football, I for one do not.

As much of a shoo-in UWW seems to be as a one-loss Pool C team, I would rather not tempt fate and get that auto bid.

I'll be rooting for UW0 :-[ and UWRF against UWL.

As a fan of UW-W football, I don't like sharing. I'll take outright however we can get it.