FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[colinsteinke]

I think it's safe to say that whitewater wants River Falls to beat La Crosse. Here's why.

If River Falls beat's La Crosse, 3 teams, including whitewater, will be 6-1.

Because La Crosse scheduled 2 non d3 opponents, the selection committee will only see La Crosse as 6-2 and Whitewater & River Falls as 9-1, therefore, Whitewater & River Falls get the benefit of the doubt.

Since head to head matchups are considered in playoff selections, whitewater becomes the team from the WIAC who gets in by default since they beat River Falls, and river falls becomes the very likely pool C bid.

But if La Crosse wins, whitewater becomes an outright pool C bid, and River Falls plays in the Isthmus bowl for the 3rd straight year.

We want LAX to lose so we can put up a 40 at the Perk...other than that, I don't see a scenario where UWW is left out regardless of not having their AQ.

[bleedpurple]

I think it's safe to say that whitewater wants River Falls to beat La Crosse. Here's why.

If River Falls beat's La Crosse, 3 teams, including whitewater, will be 6-1.

Because La Crosse scheduled 2 non d3 opponents, the selection committee will only see La Crosse as 6-2 and Whitewater & River Falls as 9-1, therefore, Whitewater & River Falls get the benefit of the doubt.

Since head to head matchups are considered in playoff selections, whitewater becomes the team from the WIAC who gets in by default since they beat River Falls, and river falls becomes the very likely pool C bid.

But if La Crosse wins, whitewater becomes an outright pool C bid, and River Falls plays in the Isthmus bowl for the 3rd straight year.

Agree we want River Falls to beat La Crosse. Three reasons:
1. It will give us an opportunity to be Co-WIAC Champion and put the 40 on the scoreboard.
2. We hate La Crosse.
3. We hate La Crosse.

As far as the NCAA playoffs, however, the bolded above is not correct.  The Pool A bids are determined by the conference, not by the NCAA. In the case of a three way tie, the first tiebreaker is head to head records. All three are 1-1, so we go to the second tie-breaker. The second tie-breaker is:

"Tied teams are to be eliminated in reverse order of their last playoff appearance beginning with the 1991 season."

UW-W and UW-L were both in the playoffs last year, so they are the two teams eliminated in the tie breaker.  UW-RF will therefore be the WIAC Pool A representative.

The only scenario I can see UW-W NOT making the playoffs is if the RAC for Region 6 decides to put La Crosse ahead of UW-W (because of the head to head result) , the National Committee allows it to stay that way, and La Crosse blocks UW-W because they are only 6-2 and teams from other regions are chosen over them.

If UW-W is ranked ahead of UW-L in this scenario, then it seems like it would be virtually impossible to keep us out because our Pool C criteria is probably among the strongest EVER in the history of the Pool C era.

[colinsteinke]

I think it's safe to say that whitewater wants River Falls to beat La Crosse. Here's why.

If River Falls beat's La Crosse, 3 teams, including whitewater, will be 6-1.

Because La Crosse scheduled 2 non d3 opponents, the selection committee will only see La Crosse as 6-2 and Whitewater & River Falls as 9-1, therefore, Whitewater & River Falls get the benefit of the doubt.

Since head to head matchups are considered in playoff selections, whitewater becomes the team from the WIAC who gets in by default since they beat River Falls, and river falls becomes the very likely pool C bid.

But if La Crosse wins, whitewater becomes an outright pool C bid, and River Falls plays in the Isthmus bowl for the 3rd straight year.

Agree we want River Falls to beat La Crosse. Three reasons:
1. It will give us an opportunity to be Co-WIAC Champion and put the 40 on the scoreboard.
2. We hate La Crosse.
3. We hate La Crosse.

As far as the NCAA playoffs, however, the bolded above is not correct.  The Pool A bids are determined by the conference, not by the NCAA. In the case of a three way tie, the first tiebreaker is head to head records. All three are 1-1, so we go to the second tie-breaker. The second tie-breaker is:

"Tied teams are to be eliminated in reverse order of their last playoff appearance beginning with the 1991 season."

UW-W and UW-L were both in the playoffs last year, so they are the two teams eliminated in the tie breaker.  UW-RF will therefore be the WIAC Pool A representative.

The only scenario I can see UW-W NOT making the playoffs is if the RAC for Region 6 decides to put La Crosse ahead of UW-W (because of the head to head result) , the National Committee allows it to stay that way, and La Crosse blocks UW-W because they are only 6-2 and teams from other regions are chosen over them.

If UW-W is ranked ahead of UW-L in this scenario, then it seems like it would be virtually impossible to keep us out because our Pool C criteria is probably among the strongest EVER in the history of the Pool C era.

I assume H2H would be used as a tie-breaker between UWW and UWL when coming off the board, but if UWL ends the season 8-2, they're likely slotted in behind UWW in the regional rankings on the rest of the criteria.

The easiest solution to this issue is to let all three teams in, and it may happen, but we'll see.

[The Third Division]

I think it's safe to say that whitewater wants River Falls to beat La Crosse. Here's why.

If River Falls beat's La Crosse, 3 teams, including whitewater, will be 6-1.

Because La Crosse scheduled 2 non d3 opponents, the selection committee will only see La Crosse as 6-2 and Whitewater & River Falls as 9-1, therefore, Whitewater & River Falls get the benefit of the doubt.

Since head to head matchups are considered in playoff selections, whitewater becomes the team from the WIAC who gets in by default since they beat River Falls, and river falls becomes the very likely pool C bid.

But if La Crosse wins, whitewater becomes an outright pool C bid, and River Falls plays in the Isthmus bowl for the 3rd straight year.

Agree we want River Falls to beat La Crosse. Three reasons:
1. It will give us an opportunity to be Co-WIAC Champion and put the 40 on the scoreboard.
2. We hate La Crosse.
3. We hate La Crosse.

As far as the NCAA playoffs, however, the bolded above is not correct.  The Pool A bids are determined by the conference, not by the NCAA. In the case of a three way tie, the first tiebreaker is head to head records. All three are 1-1, so we go to the second tie-breaker. The second tie-breaker is:

"Tied teams are to be eliminated in reverse order of their last playoff appearance beginning with the 1991 season."

UW-W and UW-L were both in the playoffs last year, so they are the two teams eliminated in the tie breaker.  UW-RF will therefore be the WIAC Pool A representative.

The only scenario I can see UW-W NOT making the playoffs is if the RAC for Region 6 decides to put La Crosse ahead of UW-W (because of the head to head result) , the National Committee allows it to stay that way, and La Crosse blocks UW-W because they are only 6-2 and teams from other regions are chosen over them.

If UW-W is ranked ahead of UW-L in this scenario, then it seems like it would be virtually impossible to keep us out because our Pool C criteria is probably among the strongest EVER in the history of the Pool C era.

Ho

ly

f******

s***

"hey you haven't made the playoffs in a while, we're REWARDING you with the OPPORTUNITY to go to the PLAYOFFS!!!"

[emma17]

I think it's safe to say that whitewater wants River Falls to beat La Crosse. Here's why.

If River Falls beat's La Crosse, 3 teams, including whitewater, will be 6-1.

Because La Crosse scheduled 2 non d3 opponents, the selection committee will only see La Crosse as 6-2 and Whitewater & River Falls as 9-1, therefore, Whitewater & River Falls get the benefit of the doubt.

Since head to head matchups are considered in playoff selections, whitewater becomes the team from the WIAC who gets in by default since they beat River Falls, and river falls becomes the very likely pool C bid.

But if La Crosse wins, whitewater becomes an outright pool C bid, and River Falls plays in the Isthmus bowl for the 3rd straight year.

Agree we want River Falls to beat La Crosse. Three reasons:
1. It will give us an opportunity to be Co-WIAC Champion and put the 40 on the scoreboard.
2. We hate La Crosse.
3. We hate La Crosse.

As far as the NCAA playoffs, however, the bolded above is not correct.  The Pool A bids are determined by the conference, not by the NCAA. In the case of a three way tie, the first tiebreaker is head to head records. All three are 1-1, so we go to the second tie-breaker. The second tie-breaker is:

"Tied teams are to be eliminated in reverse order of their last playoff appearance beginning with the 1991 season."

UW-W and UW-L were both in the playoffs last year, so they are the two teams eliminated in the tie breaker.  UW-RF will therefore be the WIAC Pool A representative.

The only scenario I can see UW-W NOT making the playoffs is if the RAC for Region 6 decides to put La Crosse ahead of UW-W (because of the head to head result) , the National Committee allows it to stay that way, and La Crosse blocks UW-W because they are only 6-2 and teams from other regions are chosen over them.

If UW-W is ranked ahead of UW-L in this scenario, then it seems like it would be virtually impossible to keep us out because our Pool C criteria is probably among the strongest EVER in the history of the Pool C era.

Sooo- we actually want UWL to win, leaving UWW and UWRF competing for Pool C.
I could care less about another conference championship banner- the true goal is larger than that.

[The Third Division]

I think it's safe to say that whitewater wants River Falls to beat La Crosse. Here's why.

If River Falls beat's La Crosse, 3 teams, including whitewater, will be 6-1.

Because La Crosse scheduled 2 non d3 opponents, the selection committee will only see La Crosse as 6-2 and Whitewater & River Falls as 9-1, therefore, Whitewater & River Falls get the benefit of the doubt.

Since head to head matchups are considered in playoff selections, whitewater becomes the team from the WIAC who gets in by default since they beat River Falls, and river falls becomes the very likely pool C bid.

But if La Crosse wins, whitewater becomes an outright pool C bid, and River Falls plays in the Isthmus bowl for the 3rd straight year.

Agree we want River Falls to beat La Crosse. Three reasons:
1. It will give us an opportunity to be Co-WIAC Champion and put the 40 on the scoreboard.
2. We hate La Crosse.
3. We hate La Crosse.

As far as the NCAA playoffs, however, the bolded above is not correct.  The Pool A bids are determined by the conference, not by the NCAA. In the case of a three way tie, the first tiebreaker is head to head records. All three are 1-1, so we go to the second tie-breaker. The second tie-breaker is:

"Tied teams are to be eliminated in reverse order of their last playoff appearance beginning with the 1991 season."

UW-W and UW-L were both in the playoffs last year, so they are the two teams eliminated in the tie breaker.  UW-RF will therefore be the WIAC Pool A representative.

The only scenario I can see UW-W NOT making the playoffs is if the RAC for Region 6 decides to put La Crosse ahead of UW-W (because of the head to head result) , the National Committee allows it to stay that way, and La Crosse blocks UW-W because they are only 6-2 and teams from other regions are chosen over them.

If UW-W is ranked ahead of UW-L in this scenario, then it seems like it would be virtually impossible to keep us out because our Pool C criteria is probably among the strongest EVER in the history of the Pool C era.

Sooo- we actually want UWL to win, leaving UWW and UWRF competing for Pool C.
I could care less about another conference championship banner- the true goal is larger than that.

so really the lax vs rf game boils down to whether whitewater wants to hang up "40" or if they want to go to the playoffs. Pretty sure we all know the answer.

[The Third Division]

So if RF winning leads the wiac to put river falls ahead of whitewater due to some bs playoff rule, then la crosse leads the ncaa selection committee to put whitewater ahead of river falls due to head to head results.

[The Third Division]

one more thing, I hope kaleb Blaha is taking care of himself because he has the game of his life coming up this saturday.

[bleedpurple]

I think it's safe to say that whitewater wants River Falls to beat La Crosse. Here's why.

If River Falls beat's La Crosse, 3 teams, including whitewater, will be 6-1.

Because La Crosse scheduled 2 non d3 opponents, the selection committee will only see La Crosse as 6-2 and Whitewater & River Falls as 9-1, therefore, Whitewater & River Falls get the benefit of the doubt.

Since head to head matchups are considered in playoff selections, whitewater becomes the team from the WIAC who gets in by default since they beat River Falls, and river falls becomes the very likely pool C bid.

But if La Crosse wins, whitewater becomes an outright pool C bid, and River Falls plays in the Isthmus bowl for the 3rd straight year.

Agree we want River Falls to beat La Crosse. Three reasons:
1. It will give us an opportunity to be Co-WIAC Champion and put the 40 on the scoreboard.
2. We hate La Crosse.
3. We hate La Crosse.

As far as the NCAA playoffs, however, the bolded above is not correct.  The Pool A bids are determined by the conference, not by the NCAA. In the case of a three way tie, the first tiebreaker is head to head records. All three are 1-1, so we go to the second tie-breaker. The second tie-breaker is:

"Tied teams are to be eliminated in reverse order of their last playoff appearance beginning with the 1991 season."

UW-W and UW-L were both in the playoffs last year, so they are the two teams eliminated in the tie breaker.  UW-RF will therefore be the WIAC Pool A representative.

The only scenario I can see UW-W NOT making the playoffs is if the RAC for Region 6 decides to put La Crosse ahead of UW-W (because of the head to head result) , the National Committee allows it to stay that way, and La Crosse blocks UW-W because they are only 6-2 and teams from other regions are chosen over them.

If UW-W is ranked ahead of UW-L in this scenario, then it seems like it would be virtually impossible to keep us out because our Pool C criteria is probably among the strongest EVER in the history of the Pool C era.

Ho

ly

f******

s***

"hey you haven't made the playoffs in a while, we're REWARDING you with the OPPORTUNITY to go to the PLAYOFFS!!!"

You summed it up correctly.  The stuff of participation trophies.

[The Third Division]

I think it's safe to say that whitewater wants River Falls to beat La Crosse. Here's why.

If River Falls beat's La Crosse, 3 teams, including whitewater, will be 6-1.

Because La Crosse scheduled 2 non d3 opponents, the selection committee will only see La Crosse as 6-2 and Whitewater & River Falls as 9-1, therefore, Whitewater & River Falls get the benefit of the doubt.

Since head to head matchups are considered in playoff selections, whitewater becomes the team from the WIAC who gets in by default since they beat River Falls, and river falls becomes the very likely pool C bid.

But if La Crosse wins, whitewater becomes an outright pool C bid, and River Falls plays in the Isthmus bowl for the 3rd straight year.

Agree we want River Falls to beat La Crosse. Three reasons:
1. It will give us an opportunity to be Co-WIAC Champion and put the 40 on the scoreboard.
2. We hate La Crosse.
3. We hate La Crosse.

As far as the NCAA playoffs, however, the bolded above is not correct.  The Pool A bids are determined by the conference, not by the NCAA. In the case of a three way tie, the first tiebreaker is head to head records. All three are 1-1, so we go to the second tie-breaker. The second tie-breaker is:

"Tied teams are to be eliminated in reverse order of their last playoff appearance beginning with the 1991 season."

UW-W and UW-L were both in the playoffs last year, so they are the two teams eliminated in the tie breaker.  UW-RF will therefore be the WIAC Pool A representative.

The only scenario I can see UW-W NOT making the playoffs is if the RAC for Region 6 decides to put La Crosse ahead of UW-W (because of the head to head result) , the National Committee allows it to stay that way, and La Crosse blocks UW-W because they are only 6-2 and teams from other regions are chosen over them.

If UW-W is ranked ahead of UW-L in this scenario, then it seems like it would be virtually impossible to keep us out because our Pool C criteria is probably among the strongest EVER in the history of the Pool C era.

Sooo- we actually want UWL to win, leaving UWW and UWRF competing for Pool C.
I could care less about another conference championship banner- the true goal is larger than that.

but what I still don't get here is that in both cases, whitewater is looking for a pool C bid. How is la crosse winning more beneficial for them???

[bleedpurple]

I think it's safe to say that whitewater wants River Falls to beat La Crosse. Here's why.

If River Falls beat's La Crosse, 3 teams, including whitewater, will be 6-1.

Because La Crosse scheduled 2 non d3 opponents, the selection committee will only see La Crosse as 6-2 and Whitewater & River Falls as 9-1, therefore, Whitewater & River Falls get the benefit of the doubt.

Since head to head matchups are considered in playoff selections, whitewater becomes the team from the WIAC who gets in by default since they beat River Falls, and river falls becomes the very likely pool C bid.

But if La Crosse wins, whitewater becomes an outright pool C bid, and River Falls plays in the Isthmus bowl for the 3rd straight year.

Agree we want River Falls to beat La Crosse. Three reasons:
1. It will give us an opportunity to be Co-WIAC Champion and put the 40 on the scoreboard.
2. We hate La Crosse.
3. We hate La Crosse.

As far as the NCAA playoffs, however, the bolded above is not correct.  The Pool A bids are determined by the conference, not by the NCAA. In the case of a three way tie, the first tiebreaker is head to head records. All three are 1-1, so we go to the second tie-breaker. The second tie-breaker is:

"Tied teams are to be eliminated in reverse order of their last playoff appearance beginning with the 1991 season."

UW-W and UW-L were both in the playoffs last year, so they are the two teams eliminated in the tie breaker.  UW-RF will therefore be the WIAC Pool A representative.

The only scenario I can see UW-W NOT making the playoffs is if the RAC for Region 6 decides to put La Crosse ahead of UW-W (because of the head to head result) , the National Committee allows it to stay that way, and La Crosse blocks UW-W because they are only 6-2 and teams from other regions are chosen over them.

If UW-W is ranked ahead of UW-L in this scenario, then it seems like it would be virtually impossible to keep us out because our Pool C criteria is probably among the strongest EVER in the history of the Pool C era.

I assume H2H would be used as a tie-breaker between UWW and UWL when coming off the board, but if UWL ends the season 8-2, they're likely slotted in behind UWW in the regional rankings on the rest of the criteria.

The easiest solution to this issue is to let all three teams in, and it may happen, but we'll see.

During the Pool C selection process, UW-L and UW-W will never be considered at the same time.  When the National Committee approves the order of each Regional Ranking, that order is set. For example, if UW-L is ranked ahead of UW-W, then UW-W can't even be considered until UW-L is chosen.  There are six teams considered at a time. One from each region. In this scenario, if UW-W were up next in region six, then we would replace UW-L on the board and be considered along with the five teams that UW-L was just competing with.

One note. Two of UW-L's wins do not count in the primary criteria. Therefore, their record when compared to UW-W for regional ranking purposes would be 6-2. UW-W will likely be 9-1. Plus UW-W will have more regionally ranked victories than UW-L and a common opponent advantage for beating River Falls.  All that is powerful criteria.

Personally, I'd place the chance of a 6-2 UW-L team being ranked above a 9-1 UW-W team above 0% but less than 15%. I'd love Logan Hansen's take on the probabilities.

At any rate, the 40 is more important to me than it is to Emma. I'm still hungry for both. So I will be rooting for UW-RF on Saturday and praying the NCAA gets it right on November 12th.

SIDE NOTE:  Once we talk about SEEDING, the conversation changes.  I would be very confident that if all three teams get into the playoffs, and UW-W finishes 9-1, the order of best seed to lowest seed will be:
UW-W,
Winner of UW-RF/UWL,
Loser of UW-RF/UW-L.

Because we have only four at-large bids this year, the UW-L/UW-RF game saturday may well be a Defacto playoff play-in game.

[bleedpurple]

I think it's safe to say that whitewater wants River Falls to beat La Crosse. Here's why.

If River Falls beat's La Crosse, 3 teams, including whitewater, will be 6-1.

Because La Crosse scheduled 2 non d3 opponents, the selection committee will only see La Crosse as 6-2 and Whitewater & River Falls as 9-1, therefore, Whitewater & River Falls get the benefit of the doubt.

Since head to head matchups are considered in playoff selections, whitewater becomes the team from the WIAC who gets in by default since they beat River Falls, and river falls becomes the very likely pool C bid.

But if La Crosse wins, whitewater becomes an outright pool C bid, and River Falls plays in the Isthmus bowl for the 3rd straight year.

Agree we want River Falls to beat La Crosse. Three reasons:
1. It will give us an opportunity to be Co-WIAC Champion and put the 40 on the scoreboard.
2. We hate La Crosse.
3. We hate La Crosse.

As far as the NCAA playoffs, however, the bolded above is not correct.  The Pool A bids are determined by the conference, not by the NCAA. In the case of a three way tie, the first tiebreaker is head to head records. All three are 1-1, so we go to the second tie-breaker. The second tie-breaker is:

"Tied teams are to be eliminated in reverse order of their last playoff appearance beginning with the 1991 season."

UW-W and UW-L were both in the playoffs last year, so they are the two teams eliminated in the tie breaker.  UW-RF will therefore be the WIAC Pool A representative.

The only scenario I can see UW-W NOT making the playoffs is if the RAC for Region 6 decides to put La Crosse ahead of UW-W (because of the head to head result) , the National Committee allows it to stay that way, and La Crosse blocks UW-W because they are only 6-2 and teams from other regions are chosen over them.

If UW-W is ranked ahead of UW-L in this scenario, then it seems like it would be virtually impossible to keep us out because our Pool C criteria is probably among the strongest EVER in the history of the Pool C era.

Sooo- we actually want UWL to win, leaving UWW and UWRF competing for Pool C.
I could care less about another conference championship banner- the true goal is larger than that.

but what I still don't get here is that in both cases, whitewater is looking for a pool C bid. How is la crosse winning more beneficial for them???

Emma is right.  If the NCAA playoffs are all that you care about, then La Crosse winning means they are the Pool A choice and they are "out of the way" as far as competing for a Pool C slot.  We have every criterion edge over River Falls, so they wouldn't be a concern either. Our chances of getting in if La Crosse wins is probably 99% if we win out.

But for me, conference championships do matter. I do want the 40. And I feel like the odds of us getting to the NCAA's would still be 90% or better. Because I don't see how a reasonable group of people pick a 6-2 UW-L over a 9-1 UW-W with the opponents we have played. So I want both.

[The Third Division]

Statistics aside, I feel that la crosse is the better team and should get into the playoffs, but everyone knows that RF will be playing their hearts out.

And considering that Matt walker once had a winless season for the falcons, his understanding of the value of winning is not lost in him at all.

[bleedpurple]

Statistics aside, I feel that la crosse is the better team and should get into the playoffs, but everyone knows that RF will be playing their hearts out.

And considering that Matt walker once had a winless season for the falcons, his understanding of the value of winning is not lost in him at all.

I haven't dug into the game yet, but my early lean is River Falls. They have a better defense than La Crosse does. River Falls is much harder to run against and they have excellent corners. My one caveat to that is that River Falls needs to emphasize ball security. La Crosse's second guy to the ball consistently rips violently looking to cause a fumble. They don't mess around.

To me the war of the game will be fought in the trenches when La Crosse has the ball. They have an excellent offensive line and River Falls has an excellent front seven.

[The Third Division]

Statistics aside, I feel that la crosse is the better team and should get into the playoffs, but everyone knows that RF will be playing their hearts out.

And considering that Matt walker once had a winless season for the falcons, his understanding of the value of winning is not lost in him at all.

I haven't dug into the game yet, but my early lean is River Falls. They have a better defense than La Crosse does. River Falls is much harder to run against and they have excellent corners. My one caveat to that is that River Falls needs to emphasize ball security. La Crosse's second guy to the ball consistently rips violently looking to cause a fumble. They don't mess around.

To me the war of the game will be fought in the trenches when La Crosse has the ball. They have an excellent offensive line and River Falls has an excellent front seven.

I am going to be all over this game come saturday. And yes, La crosse's defense has had some interesting performances lately.