FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[d-train]

No. You're reading it from a Pool B-centric universe. The entire discussion was around the WIAC and OAC, two conferences with automatic bids.

Listen, I know that those conferences have auto bids. But a second Pool B bid in a single conference is clearly an at-large bid.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pool B is a whole separate universe of teams.  IF they have an overflow of good teams, those teams can be considered for Pool C (at large), but most years the bottom pool Bs would not be even on the radar-screen for a pool C (hence, the 'Bumbling Bs' page on 'General Basketball').

(If I recall, that page first arose the year that Dallas got a pool B with a 13-12 record!)

d-train, your latest post came up while I was typing mine (I'm a slow typist - sue me!).  In a sense, ALL Bs are at large, since winning your conference will NOT get you an automatic bid, but it is 'at large' from a severely limited universe.  A pool B CAN be a pool C (though it is vanishingly rare - Pat, has it EVER happened?), but a pool A conference member CANNOT be a pool B.  Later pool B selections would almost never (NEVER?) be pool C selections.

[d-train]

Pool B is a whole separate universe of teams.  IF they have an overflow of good teams, those teams can be considered for Pool C (at large), but most years the bottom pool Bs would not be even on the radar-screen for a pool C (hence, the 'Bumbling Bs' page on 'General Basketball').

(If I recall, that page first arose the year that Dallas got a pool B with a 13-12 record!)

d-train, your latest post came up while I was typing mine (I'm a slow typist - sue me!).  In a sense, ALL Bs are at large, since winning your conference will NOT get you an automatic bid, but it is 'at large' from a severely limited universe.  A pool B CAN be a pool C (though it is vanishingly rare - Pat, has it EVER happened?), but a pool A conference member CANNOT be a pool B.  Later pool B selections would almost never (NEVER?) be pool C selections.

Alright guys, enough. I know exactly how the selections work. I know coach didn't have Pool B and non D-3 losses in mind when he posted. But that 'fine print' wasn't actually stated...and I believe I'm still owed a house.    Hscoach, please send the deeded title c/o...

[Mr. Ypsi]

As hscoach's attorney, may it please the court:

At large clearly means at LARGE, from the universe of d3 teams.  Pool B is at 'small' - being the 4th selection from pool B was, what, 4th of 33?  Can you provide ANY reason to believe that Willamette would have even been seriously considered for a pool C that year, much less selected?

Thank you.

[p.s., hscoach, in lieu of attorney's fees, I will accept the deed to your house!]

[d3fbfanatic]

Seeing that I have not posted on the board in a while. I have a cuple things to say regarding the last couple of days posts.
First as far as fan behavior, I would expect to be yelled at by college students, thats just part of college sports. If you don't like it well too bad. Also back in 2003 when UWW visited Mount Union the Mu student section was yelling "neddledick' at our punter whenever he was on the field. Liek I said I expect that especially out of college students. However as head coach and AD

[d3fbfanatic]

coach K did not like it,and spoke to the stuident section as a whole after the game the following week sometime. That was his decision and I think very highly of him because of that.
Secondly I am sure that coach Berezowitz has told the returning players how big the bullseye on their back is as well as his expectations for next year. I don't believe that anything but a repeat performance would be satisfying. for he his staff or the returning players.As they know what it takes,and have been their.
Finally as far as the WIAC getting two teams in the playoffs. I am not sure if this will ever happen.As I do not remember the last tiem the second palce team only had one loss in conference. It is a very evenly balanced conference which as capatin said anyone can beat anyone any week of the season. I am always impressed in how Mount union just rolls over the entire OAC except this year every season. Hopefully the hawks will be able to start doing that.
As far as recruiting is concerned at the division three level. It's almost not fair as some leagues aren't allowed to recruit off campus and some are,and the majority of private schools are required to bring in 150 kids a year to the school. In a way the coaches during the off season are glorified admissions counselors selling their school, with an emphasis on the football program.
Finally I want to wish everyone a very merry christmas and a happy new year. This season ahs been a lot of fun especially for the warhawk fans. I think the majority of warhawk fans on this baord can say we expect almost a repeat of this year next season.
GO HAWKS 8)

[WSUFan]

I'll have to double check, but I believe in 1999 both La Crosse and Stevens Point finished 6-1 and both made it.  In 2000, Stout went 7-0 and La Crosse 6-1.  Prior to that, 1996 maybe?  La Crosse would have been 7-0 and River Falls 6-1.  I know it had to happen in 1995, because La Crosse (7-0) ended up beating River Falls (6-1)in the Quarterfinals.

[wiacfbgrad]

WSUFan,
  I think that helps to certify that past perfomances in the playoffs definitely goes into consideration when it comes to the selection committee.  In the early 90's, LAX was quite the dominant team, and because of that, "those who choose" rewarded them for their past performances.  Just like the MUC selection someone was talking about.  So hopefully UWW's record in the playoffs can help another team next year.

The problem that arises is that the conference has become more competitive top to bottom.  In most years, the champ doesn't have a perfect record (I remeber the year where 3 teams won the championship with 5-2  conference records.  I think it was 99 or 00). 

What the WIAC teams should try and do (which would be tough) is to try and schedule games against the "usual" pool A and C teams.  It would look a lot better for the WIAC if the teams considered for pool C would be teams with losses to WIAC teams.  That would give the 2nd place WIAC teams more clout if they can say...hey, we have two conference losses, but we beat Bridgewater, Ohio Northern, and (insert texas school here) in non-conference play.   

Now for the disclaimer...I am not saying that any team in the WIAC could beat any team from any other conference, and I used those teams just as an example.  Also, I know the WIAC has been doing this more lately.  I also, know that it has been mentioned that teams from other conferences do not want to play a WIAC team for that reason- don't know if it is true or not (except MUC who seems to want to play a WIAC team).  Finally, i know finances come into play when deciding opponents.  Oh yeah, also, i think sometimes there might be an advantage to play a "cup-cake" to get the wrinkles out of a team before conference play.  There, i think i covered all my bases

[Pat Coleman]

What the WIAC teams should try and do (which would be tough) is to try and schedule games against the "usual" pool A and C teams.  It would look a lot better for the WIAC if the teams considered for pool C would be teams with losses to WIAC teams. 

These would be great for the WIAC if they could get any of those other contenders to consent to play them. It goes both directions.

[79jaybird]

Who is the preseason favorite for the WIAC next year?  Is it as cut throat and parity stricken as the CCIW?
I.E. CCIW you have 4 teams talked about being in the hunt  (Augie, Wheaton, Elmhurst, North Central) 3 of the other 4 with a good shot also.

[WIACPOWER]

79jaybird,

I would sure think WW would be heavy favorites for next years title...Osh is coming on strong with alot returning...LAX is always in the running....should be a great year....only wish it started sooner!!

[79jaybird]

WIACPower-- Thanks,  I see that the WIAC is loaded just like the CCIW.  When I played there were 4 teams that stood above the rest ( and we weren't one of them), now 7 of the 8 teams are in the hunt.

[footballfan413]

Just wanted to make it clear that "fbfan" who has been posting on the Daily Dose mainly is not me!!!  "Footballfan413.  My karma has taken a small hit in the last week despite minimuim postings on my part and I think there maybe a connection.  I want to be blamed for my own comments but don't want to be blamed for someone elses. 

[lilpeds]

What's the whole Karma thing about, anyway? Is there somewhere we can give a person some kind of rating or something? I should really expand my horizons in this site 

[Pat Coleman]

It's described in the FAQ.