FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[janesvilleflash]

Meyers resignation is out on the UWO website.
http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/

[CaptainKurt]

I would think that Stan Zweifel's name is being discussed behind closed doors at Oshkosh.

I think Stan would be a great coach anywhere, as he gets CaptainKurt's full stamp of approval.

[cubs]

Cubs,
Ackerman did have a hand in hiring Z as head track coach, but you knew that, too. No championships out of Z's track teams in 1+ years as head man, but he earned the job, right?
Another thing, $7x 1,000 fans > $4x 1,600 fans. At least that used to be true.

First of all, I have no clue who you are, so I hold no ill-will against you......

Secondly, I am a little confused on your comments on Zupanc and the Head Track position.... care to clarify a little?

Lastly, using your attendance numbers, would $600 be considered a good investment in hopes of drawing a little bit of community support to the athletic programs?  I would think that the more community members you could get involved, the more likely it would be bring in additional sponsorship revenue.  I could be totally wrong, but that it what I was thinking when talking about the attendance figures.

By the way, no comment on the football forfeits?  There is absolutely no where else to put the blame excepts Al's shoulders when it comes to that.

[OshDude]

Zupanc got the track job after the Bruce Coleman fiasco. Al was part of the committee to hire a new coach.
I do know about the forfeits, but I'm not as sure as you are that the AD should take all of the blame. Some? Of course.
Listen, he's far from perfect (as am I) and I don't condone what happened with the ineligible player, but Ackerman, all things considered, has done a GREAT job at Oshkosh.
It's not my favorite argument to make, but when you look at the success he's had at Oshkosh and compare that to the rest of the nation, one mistake that I'm not convinced was his fault is a good track record these days.
One infraction is one too many. I agree. However, if over a 16-year career that's all you have on the guy -- a fallguy for all the blame -- I begrudgingly accept that.

[cubs]

Zupanc got the track job after the Bruce Coleman fiasco. Al was part of the committee to hire a new coach.

I do know about the forfeits, but I'm not as sure as you are that the AD should take all of the blame. Some? Of course.

I knew the background regarding the Coleman fiasco, but what I didn't get was the comment you made about no championships from Zupanc.  Regardless, if anyone thought someone besides Zupanc was going to get the Head Track job with the amount of time he had spent at UWO, and the amount of success his CC teams had, they must have been delusional.

If you don't think the AD should take the blame regarding the ineligible player, then who would you give it to?  The AD is responsible for all of the paperwork that is turned into the NCAA, that is why I feel he is responsible.  He signed off on it.  The Ashwaubenon High School football situation was pretty much identical this past season.

[Just Bill]

If you don't think the AD should take the blame regarding the ineligible player, then who would you give it to?  The AD is responsible for all of the paperwork that is turned into the NCAA, that is why I feel he is responsible.  He signed off on it.  The Ashwaubenon High School football situation was pretty much identical this past season.

I don't know anything about the ineligible player that you are discussing, but I have been in enough Athletic Departments to know this:

The AD isn't the only person who puts their signature on the NCAA's paperwork.  In fact the AD isn't even the highest ranking person who has to sign (that would be the Faculty Athletic Representative).  The Head Coach, the FAR and the Senior Women's Administrator all have to sign as well.  Those documents are checked, double checked and triple checked by those four people and generally many others in the athletic department and registrar's office.

When an eligibility infraction occurs there is plenty of blame to go around, because so many people had a chance to catch the error.  In my experience, the fault is usually the head coach's.  They know their kids the best out of any of those people and should be able to pick out errors and omissions the easiest.  When I've seen mistakes made, it's usually because the head coach didn't double check the document closely enough and a piece of information that coach knew (or should have known) was missed.

To lay an eligibility infraction entirely at the feet of the AD is inaccurate.  To compare it to a HS case is REALLY inaccurate.  Apples and oranges.

[K-Mack]

He is one of the best there is in D3.

Please tell me your newspaper work means you've done extensive research, as you sound awfully sure about this.

("xxx is the best in D3" is fast becoming my main pet peeve)

[chmarx]

Whoa!  I just noticed that I can now give and take karma!

I'll have to think about this.

[OshDude]

If I would have said "best," you'd have a point. Tell me how 17 championships in 16 years does not qualify as "one of the best" and I'll take it back.
Nice little subtle, meaningless dig about my background, too. Classy.
Then again, I'm not the guy who calls himself the "Mount Union" of the message board. I'll cede to your greatness.

[footballfan413]

Whoa!  I just noticed that I can now give and take karma!

I'll have to think about this.

+karma to you.  Welcome to, "the Power of Karma!"  Be aware.  Power can corrupt so use it wisely!!!  8)

[The Champ]

Another thing, $7x 1,000 fans > $4x 1,600 fans. At least that used to be true.

Well, that might be true if all you were considering was the gate income.

But 600 more fans in the stands (your number, not mine) makes a better environment for the home team (assuming the majority of those would be cheering for the home team).

You also forgot to consider concession sales.  I'm sure that those 600 fans would easily spend enought at the concession stand to make up the $600.00 loss at the gate.  I don't think it's a big stretch to say the average fan spends $5.00 on concessions = $3,000.00.  Assuming the stand operates at a normal profit margin, they should clear at least $2,000.00 profit on those sales.

[DuffMan]

If I would have said "best," you'd have a point. Tell me how 17 championships in 16 years does not qualify as "one of the best" and I'll take it back.
Nice little subtle, meaningless dig about my background, too. Classy.
Then again, I'm not the guy who calls himself the "Mount Union" of the message board. I'll cede to your greatness.

Wow!  Crabby!

[footballfan413]

As far as getting people to still come to UWO events, it is usually a yearly occurence where one of the local reporters will talk about how empty Kolf or Titan Stadium look.  He may be getting some people to come, but no where near what schools like Point, Whitewater, and to some extent La Crosse get.

I remember hearing that the student attendance at UWO football games were low because of 2 main reasons.  The games are broadcast on campus and the location of the stadium makes it very hard for students to get there on foot because of the river.  Can anyone confirm that?  If so, attempts to increase the gate needs to be tailored to address those situations, I would think.  Maybe organize free bussing for students to and from the stadium and activities at games.  UWW has a drawing at last home game for a semester of free tuition to one student.  Students sign up, buy a T-shirt, I believe, and attend all home games to be entered.  UWO need more promotion and a little creativity.

[footballfan413]

Of course, since students attend for free, they only effect the attendance numbers, not the gate reciepts but someone else mentioned concessions.  We all know how those students can get the munchies!! 

[DuffMan]

UWW has a drawing at last home game for a semester of free tuition to one student.  Students sign up, buy a T-shirt, I believe, and attend all home games to be entered. 

That is a really cool idea!  That would get spendy at MIAC schools .