FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

Just Bill · May 03, 2007, 01:49:19 PM

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on May 03, 2007, 01:38:28 PM
I doubt there's anything wrong with the AD renting a home to athletes if they're paying the appropiate rent and not receiving any other benefits not available to another student out of the deal.

I agree, but if I were the WIAC or the NCAA, I think I'd at least have to ask the question to make sure everything is on the up-and-up. I suppose at this point in time, an NCAA rules violation is the least of their worries.

razor_ramone · May 03, 2007, 02:45:34 PM

The drug thing is a problem,and the landlord needs to know whats going on at his rental properties.
Also it has been known in Whitewater DLK Mr. Money Bags rents apartments to athletes.
I don't think that there is anything wrong with the AD renting a house to people as long as no special benefits are given what so ever.
However I guarantee the WIAC will be looking at this big time.
I am not sure if the enw head coach has any control over the situation as he was not the head coach went it went down.
If the ehad coach was fired ebcause of the drugs that his players used, then the AD should be fired for allowing this to happen in a rental property which he owns.

Sakman 1111 · May 03, 2007, 02:58:56 PM

I don't get the analogy between DLK and the athletic director.....they seem to me at least to be two different entities. Rules aside it just seems to me to be asking for problems to rent a house to athletes if you are the athletic director......and guess what the problems have arrived. Common sense wise it simply is a bad move......

badgerwarhawk · May 03, 2007, 03:09:08 PM

I certainly have no reason to think the Stout AD is doing anything wrong and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if an inquiry determined that. But I do feel an inquiry from Commissioner Karner's office is appropriate in this circumstance.

If DLK were held responsible for everything his tenants did he's probably be in prison.

Pat Coleman · May 03, 2007, 05:14:35 PM

I think they're both probably looked on pretty dimly. There's certainly the potential for abuse, whether it's happened or not, if a booster or an athletic department employee rents to student-athletes.

Devil Badger Gopher · May 03, 2007, 06:23:05 PM

Pat, have you ever seen a program in shambles like this, and is it possible that the team can be shut down by NCAA or WIAC? Being a former student-athlete, I am simply embarrased that this great institution is turning into a type of a problematic JUCO.

Devil Badger Gopher · May 03, 2007, 06:24:01 PM

It is a great feeling, however, to have 2 players with tryouts this weekend.

Pat Coleman · May 03, 2007, 08:27:30 PM

Quote from: Devil Badger Gopher on May 03, 2007, 06:23:05 PM
Pat, have you ever seen a program in shambles like this, and is it possible that the team can be shut down by NCAA or WIAC? Being a former student-athlete, I am simply embarrased that this great institution is turning into a type of a problematic JUCO.

I would hesitate to term it "in shambles," if only because it doesn't seem like we know the AD is in the wrong here. So far it's just a handful of players ... though it's two separate incidents ... and a coach already got canned over this. Who is the embarrassed chancellor going to fire this time?

Pat Coleman · May 03, 2007, 08:28:15 PM

The WIAC has no jurisdiction here unless there's a WIAC rule I'm not aware of, and the NCAA would have a hard time shutting down a program for this. Have you seen Division I?

razor_ramone · May 03, 2007, 09:56:49 PM

Pat,
I think the AD is going to get fiered. Let's remember though that when it was discovered that the mailbox bmber was a student at Stout no one got fired.

BoBo · May 03, 2007, 10:16:59 PM

Quote from: razor_ramone on May 03, 2007, 02:45:34 PM
The drug thing is a problem,and the landlord needs to know whats going on at his rental properties.
Also it has been known in Whitewater DLK Mr. Money Bags rents apartments to athletes.
I don't think that there is anything wrong with the AD renting a house to people as long as no special benefits are given what so ever.
However I guarantee the WIAC will be looking at this big time.
I am not sure if the enw head coach has any control over the situation as he was not the head coach went it went down.
If the ehad coach was fired ebcause of the drugs that his players used, then the AD should be fired for allowing this to happen in a rental property which he owns.

Quote from: Sakman 1111 on May 03, 2007, 02:58:56 PM
I don't get the analogy between DLK and the athletic director.....they seem to me at least to be two different entities. Rules aside it just seems to me to be asking for problems to rent a house to athletes if you are the athletic director......and guess what the problems have arrived. Common sense wise it simply is a bad move......

Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 03, 2007, 05:14:35 PM
I think they're both probably looked on pretty dimly.

I'm not here to change or form a judgement or wave my index finger at anyone, but it seems to be a little quick to cast an opinion about the Stout AD or DLK (or putting them into the same category). You act like DLK only rents to athletes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, DLK rents to 1/2 of the WW campus population, the fact that some of them are athletes shouldn't be a major issue. I agree that it is probably not a smart move by the AD if the newspaper article is accurate, but until all the facts are known, I think it's wise to end the speculation, prejudicial talk, and name calling. Furthermore, I remember the DLK name being mentioned with regularity when the selection of WW's new coach was going on a few months ago. Is it just me or do the people posting on this board really dislike the guy for being involved in warhawk athletics or having a few bucks in his bank account???

Sakman 1111 · May 03, 2007, 10:32:40 PM

Have to agree with Bobo on this one. I am not a fan of DLK which was covered thoroughly when the new coach came in but to compare him to the athletic director at Stout is ludicrous. He rents to just about everyone who rents in Whitewater not just athletes.....Whether drugs were sold or used at this apartment I think it was not a smart thing to do.......

Pat Coleman · May 03, 2007, 10:53:35 PM

Admittedly, that makes it a little different but it does not at all eliminate the possibility of abuse, does it?

razor_ramone · May 03, 2007, 11:07:22 PM

Some people dislike DLK because he donates all the money to the university's atheltic department. He was on the hiring comittee for the new head coach. However he was just one person.
I am not sure if the AD at stout rents to other people then athlete's but if he does then it's a different story.
Either way Stout is in trouble,and I also am curious who the chancellor is going to fire for this one.

BoBo · May 03, 2007, 11:08:43 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 03, 2007, 10:53:35 PM
Admittedly, that makes it a little different but it does not at all eliminate the possibility of abuse, does it?

I think it is a lot different. The problem is that we sometimes speak about matters we know nothing about. That is another form of abuse. Just goes to show, simply the possibility of abuse is not always abuse. Abuse is many times difficult to determine, eliminate and/or totally enforce.