FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[BoBo]

Azusa played d-1aa san diego -- No. 1 of the lower d-1aa schools --  a lot closer this year, lost to the No. 11 NAIA team in their opener and last week fell to the No. 23 d-1aa (scholarship) in the country on a last-minute FG on the road. And losing to UWLX is no disgrace (despite what the NAIA zealots will say...)

Platteville nearly beat Drake a couple weeks ago when Drake was the #1 in that subdivision. Those schools, San Diego, Drake, Butler, Jacksonville, etc. are all glorified DIII's playing D-1AA without scholarships.  Would you agree, repete, most if not all of the top DIII teams would beat them (handily) on any given Sat.?  BTW, Azuza lost to that NAIA #11 MidAmerica Nazarene (KS) 59-38, not exactly close.  I think you are giving Azuza too many kudos.  They seem to be a very up and down team - hard to read, indeed.  In that LC/APU game, LC gave up a 17 point 3rd quarter lead, allowing Azuza to tie the game, only to score the winning TD in OT. One of the Eagles TD came on a trick play pass from the WR. That doesn't sound like an overly impressive win for the Eagles; more like hanging on by the seat of your pants!! One of the surprising developments was that the o-line, which was so dominate vs HSU, found it difficult to protect the QB against APU.  Granted, APU always has a fast and aggressive D, but HSU has a lot of speed, too. Should be interesting, nevertheless. 

Edit:  One more thing that I think is important, all those rankings you list are their current listings, not the ranking they had when they played APU (they were all ranked lower when playing APU).  Which leads me to believe a number of things: beating APU appears to get these schools ranked higher, or...though they may be an independent, they might have more respect around the NAIA-world than you think, or...since they play such a national schedule, they are used as a measuring stick for a lot of programs all around the country. Just my thought...

[stoutguy]

I may have. And out of respect for my audience, I will apologize. Coming out of the profession I do, we many times resorted to such "humor" in order to keep sane. I will watch myself in the future.

So you are saying that it is your profession that created that "humor"?  I don't know what your profession is and don't care, but based on that "joke" I put you in the idiot catagory.

[BoBo]

I may have. And out of respect for my audience, I will apologize. Coming out of the profession I do, we many times resorted to such "humor" in order to keep sane. I will watch myself in the future.

So you are saying that it is your profession that created that "humor"?  I don't know what your profession is and don't care, but based on that "joke" I put you in the idiot catagory.

Totally with everyone on this one...not that I'm lilly white and pure, but when making an indiscretion, just apologize, move on, and don't make the same mistake again.  Blaming it on your job, retagent, is about as irresponsible as the original comment.

[retagent]

Well Stout guy and BoBo, you seem to be able to judge a person based upon one comment. Maybe you should examine your abilities to jump to a conclusion so quickly. I am in awe of that ability and only hope to one day be as wise as you.

[OzJohnnie]

So you are saying that it is your profession that created that "humor"?  I don't know what your profession is and don't care, but based on that "joke" I put you in the idiot catagory.

Totally with everyone on this one...not that I'm lilly white and pure, but when making an indiscretion, just apologize, move on, and don't make the same mistake again.  Blaming it on your job, retagent, is about as irresponsible as the original comment.  Janesvilleflash needs to look into a mirror, too!!

Interesting... mock indignation from those pristine few who have never indulged in gallows humor.  Or at least I assume it is 'mock', for if the indignation is not in jest then it is in ignorance.  To assist in lifting the veil of potential ignorace... retagent didn't blame the comment on his 'job' but the environment in which he professed.   Many groups develop sub-cultures: police, soldiers and lawyers often partake in gallows humor;  Physicists crack out rip-snorters on Pi; and WIAC posters group-think mock indignation.

I saw a genuine apology.  Time for others to move on.

And I pick LAX to win.  It looks to me like UWWW and everyone watching them thinks they deserve to win.  Feels to me like LAX will be out to earn it.

[BoBo]

Well Stout guy and BoBo, you seem to be able to judge a person based upon one comment. Maybe you should examine your abilities to jump to a conclusion so quickly. I am in awe of that ability and only hope to one day be as wise as you.

retagent, I'm not judging you based on one comment...get that clear...I usually read (and will continue to read) your comments with interest & respect...and I don't feel I was jumping to a conclusion in any way. Just responding to your comment.  Re-read my words.  I never said I was so wise (having common sense, maybe) - but I do know when it might be considered acceptable to utter off-color remarks (like around your work friends) and when not too (in a public forum among strangers).  I just felt that your apology wasn't that genuine like some of your friends seem to think. That's all...moving onward.

[footballfan413]

Azusa played d-1aa san diego -- No. 1 of the lower d-1aa schools --  a lot closer this year, lost to the No. 11 NAIA team in their opener and last week fell to the No. 23 d-1aa (scholarship) in the country on a last-minute FG on the road. And losing to UWLX is no disgrace (despite what the NAIA zealots will say...)

Platteville nearly beat Drake a couple weeks ago when Drake was the #1 in that subdivision. Those schools, San Diego, Drake, Butler, Jacksonville, etc. are all glorified DIII's playing D-1AA without scholarships.  Would you agree, repete, most if not all of the top DIII teams would beat them (handily) on any given Sat.?  BTW, Azuza lost to that NAIA #11 MidAmerica Nazarene (KS) 59-38, not exactly close.  I think you are giving Azuza too many kudos.  They seem to be a very up and down team - hard to read, indeed.  In that LC/APU game, LC gave up a 17 point 3rd quarter lead, allowing Azuza to tie the game, only to score the winning TD in OT. One of the Eagles TD came on a trick play pass from the WR. That doesn't sound like an overly impressive win for the Eagles; more like hanging on by the seat of your pants!! One of the surprising developments was that the o-line, which was so dominate vs HSU, found it difficult to protect the QB against APU.  Granted, APU always has a fast and aggressive D, but HSU has a lot of speed, too. Should be interesting, nevertheless. 

Edit:  One more thing that I think is important, all those rankings you list are their current listings, not the ranking they had when they played APU (they were all ranked lower when playing APU).  Which leads me to believe a number of things: beating APU appears to get these schools ranked higher, or...though they may be an independent, they might have more respect around the NAIA-world than you think, or...since they play such a national schedule, they are used as a measuring stick for a lot of programs all around the country. Just my thought...

Bobo, you never cease to amaze me.  You made my case much better than I could have.  I firmly believe that the "1-AA," tag gives too much credit to a lot of non-scholarship schools.  Thanks for having my back.  And I find it very encouraging to hear that UWLC had trouble protecting their QB from AP.  The Hawk's front 7 should have a great time! Don't get me wrong, I predict a very tough, hard fought battle between two top rivals both in the WIAC and nationally with the victor being the one who makes the least mistakes and wins the battle in the trenches.  NO ONE will have their pants down!  The Hawks front 7 will shut down the run so the Eagles will go to the air and, why not, that is the way they have traditionally beaten the Hawks before 05.  LAX always has great WR's and QB's.   Hawks D must get pressure on the QB and the DB's must step up.  If they can not pass, they will not win!  UWLC will not stop Beaver but that will not be enough and Jones and Co. will need to be sharp to pull out the win. 

BTW, a big congratulations to the Warhawks, Danny Jones and Ryan Ogrizovich, for being the WIAC Offensive and Defensive Players of the Week!  Nice one/two punch!!

I may have. And out of respect for my audience, I will apologize. Coming out of the profession I do, we many times resorted to such "humor" in order to keep sane. I will watch myself in the future.

Retagent, for what it is worth, this WIAC poster found your apology very genuine and I am embarrassed to admit that I did both laugh and wince at the original comment.  I did not see your mentioning your profession as an excuse but rather an explanation, one that I accept.

[repete]

Those schools, San Diego, Drake, Butler, Jacksonville, etc. are all glorified DIII's playing D-1AA without scholarships.  Would you agree, repete, most if not all of the top DIII teams would beat them (handily) on any given Sat.?  BTW, Azuza lost to that NAIA #11 MidAmerica Nazarene (KS) 59-38, not exactly close.  I think you are giving Azuza too many kudos.  They seem to be a very up and down team - hard to read, indeed. 

Agree with some but not all.

San Diego beat a Big Sky scholarship school last week and I don't think too many d3 teams could do that ... but in general, yes, top d3 teams would do very well against whatever the d-1aa "midmajors" are being called these days. San Diego's coach also jumped straight from there to Stanford.

As for polls, I think they all get better as the season moves on. Some teams might be ranked high when you beat them and end up 5-5. But what if you beat an unranked team in the opener and they run off nine straight and into the rankings later? To me the latter win is more impressive.

You're probably right on with Azusa being hot and cold. I think a big part of that is being an independent and having to choose between a wide range of scheduling options. And I could be overly impressed. I just thought the APU-LAX game was a very well played contest by two teams with a lot of ability. Whether that translates to a good game with UWW, I can't say, but I think the potential is there.

Note to Pat C: I'm going to try to record the APU-LAX replay today but because of the hour it will involve my dear wife pushing some buttons .... so I hope you know what I'm saying.

[repete]

One more thing: Retagent is a standup guy. No matter what you think of the remark, there is no doubting his sincere followup post.

... although living on the wrong side of the Mississippi might be grounds for an insanity defense, I hear.

[footballfan413]

repete,
  What replay are you referring to?  Love to hear it myself if possible.

[janesvilleflash]

Totally with everyone on this one...not that I'm lilly white and pure, but when making an indiscretion, just apologize, move on, and don't make the same mistake again.  Blaming it on your job, retagent, is about as irresponsible as the original comment.  Janesvilleflash needs to look into a mirror, too!!

Why in the hell should I be looking into a mirror?

[repete]

413,
It's on FCSC (CH. 263 on my Comcast listings) at 4. These listings can be flaky and seem to vary by cable system.. It also has SJU-UWRF on at midnight ...

Good luck.

[badgerwarhawk]

Having worked inpatient psychiatric wards I can understand how a work subculture can develop a sense of humor that others, outside the subculture, may not grasp or find offensive.   I've heard some very highly trained professionals say some incredible things and I've said them myself.   To great extent it's a matter of survival in the profession.  If you didn't laugh, you'd cry and go home every night very troubled.   It's simply a defense mechanism.  

For what it worth I accept retagent's apology.  I believe he's sincere and accept his explanation.    We've all said things we regret afterward and I doubt that there is anyone of us here who, at one time or another, haven't laughed at a comment that someone else would find offensive.  

[repete]

BTW, the local comcast branch was selling the sports package at $2/month for a year. Not a bad deal.

[footballfan413]

Thanks, repete,
  I have comcast so will look into it but don't hold out much hope.  Was hoping it was accessible from the internet.