FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[BDB]

Bottom line, The Whitewater D over the past 4 years has been the best the WIAC has ever seen.

With all due respect to the WW defenses of the past 4 years, that's a pretty open ended assessment. Over a 4 year period do you mean?

This will probably start a whole new thread of conversation over who was the best ever, which may or not be a good thing. 

The 2000 Stout defense (Hazuga,Spielman, Beckham, et al) which was the main reason the Devils went 10-0 in the regular season and won the conference has to be mentioned in any discussion of best defenses ever.

I am sure the LAX crowd and all others have got their favorites as well.

[Warhawk 96]

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU UWOTITAN!! 

Of course you would

Winning a rushing title for a 3-3 team might be a feather in his cap, but it doesn't win MVP awards in my book.

On second thought, maybe RF should give Oshkosh a huge, insurmountable early lead, so Oshkosh coaches have no choice but to take him out before he has a chance to roll up record breaking rushing attempts and yards.  Oops!! These are the kind of games he gets the majority of his yards...oh, forget that thought. 

You better check your facts on this one bro.  The top five rushing games Moriarty has amounted have come against conference opponents. I think you should look into the last time Oshkosh had an "insurmountable lead" against anyone.  This is a team that must scratch and claw to win every game. They do not have the talent of a Whitewater team.  This team lives and dies by Moriarty.  When he gets the rock, they win.  When the run game is not working, game over. Case in point, Whitewater the past two years. If you need proof look at UWO's passing stats the past four games. Another note, Beaver should feel fortunate he has not had to go against the UWW D the past 4 years. For if he had, he would have gotten nowhere.  Bottom line, The Whitewater D over the past 4 years has been the best the WIAC has ever seen.

He did have 150 yards against Huntingdon which I think is his fourth most this season.......so top three were Point, Eau Claire, and Platteville. You are right that the Whitewater D is good and Beaver didn't have to go against that in a game. St. Cloud State and Mary Hardin Baylor also had good defenses that he did go against. Oshkosh's defense is better than you Oshkosh supporters are making them out to be. They are a tenth of a yard average away from being number 2 in the conference so I think your point is kind of moot.

Don't take the joke out of the yardage and blow up into something that it's not. I thought we were adults and can understand that just because someone says something, that it doesn't mean that it's going to happen.

[WIACfootball]

well usually oshkosh's defense is ranked like #2 or #3 after whitewater, so lets see how beaver has done against a defense that is close to being as good as whitewater's (but actually, not really near as good...).  in 2005, stanley averaged 5.7 yards per carry and had 24 tds on the year.  against oshkosh that year he had an average of 4.7 yards per carry and didnt score.  but then again, he didnt need to - whitewater had jim leszczynski and derrick stanley.  in 2006, stanley averaged 5.1 yards per carry.  against oshkosh he averaged 5.0 yards per carry, 218 yards on 43 attempts.  however, if you take away his only big play (97 yard touchdown run) the average comes out to 2.9 yards per carry.  didnt really matter though, whitewater still had derrick stanley!  so far in 2007, 5.4 yards per carry.  against uwo, 5.1.  take away the 2 big rushes for a total of 50 yards hes back down around 3.9.  what im trying to get at is that moriarty does poor against great defenses like beaver does poor against decent defenses (i think if we looked at his numbers against mt union we'd all share a laugh).  the only difference between beaver is the caliber of the team.  if beaver has a poor game on the ground, throw it to leszczynski or stanley.  if moriarty has a poor game, throw it to - oh ya, uwo doesnt have anyone to throw to.  as far as an offensive line, i think beaver wins there too - not to mention that one out of every 4 of moriarty's carries is called back because of holding...    they are both great backs and are comparable, but moriarty has had to work with a lot less than beaver, hands down.

[WIACfootball]

a few of those "stanley"s in there are supposed to be "beaver"s - oops!!!   you should be able to figure it out though

[Devil Badger Gopher]

Bottom line, The Whitewater D over the past 4 years has been the best the WIAC has ever seen.

With all due respect to the WW defenses of the past 4 years, that's a pretty open ended assessment. Over a 4 year period do you mean?

This will probably start a whole new thread of conversation over who was the best ever, which may or not be a good thing. 

The 2000 Stout defense (Hazuga,Spielman, Beckham, et al) which was the main reason the Devils went 10-0 in the regular season and won the conference has to be mentioned in any discussion of best defenses ever.

I am sure the LAX crowd and all others have got their favorites as well.

You took the words out of my mouth on that one.  I was trying to find some stats on the 2000 Stout team and the turnover margin was over +2 per game with a rushing average per carry at less than 2 per carry.  Not to mention the 2 NFL players on that side of the ball.  #2 all-time single season sack mark as well as his did not have the playoffs included.

[footballfan413]

Bottom line, The Whitewater D over the past 4 years has been the best the WIAC has ever seen.

With all due respect to the WW defenses of the past 4 years, that's a pretty open ended assessment. Over a 4 year period do you mean?

This will probably start a whole new thread of conversation over who was the best ever, which may or not be a good thing. 

The 2000 Stout defense (Hazuga,Spielman, Beckham, et al) which was the main reason the Devils went 10-0 in the regular season and won the conference has to be mentioned in any discussion of best defenses ever.

I am sure the LAX crowd and all others have got their favorites as well.

Guess it depends on if you are going to compare only conference play or look at the teams entire season.  Considering that the Stout defense allowed SJU 26 point in their play-off loss that year and UWW allowed only a combined 21 points in TWO games against them............. and went on to defeat the South Region Champion allowing only a combined 13 points, again in TWO games............

Again, we are comparing apples and oranges but considering the level of competition that the Hawks Defense have faced over the last two years, hard to not give them the nod, IMHO, BDB.  But I sure don't mind mentioning the 2000 Stout D in this conversation .   

Sorry to break my own rule and get involved in the, "whose better," banter! 

[Sakman 1111]

WIAC guy you are entitled your opinion but haven't we beaten this into the ground yet and uncovered every possible statistic possible that will make Moriarity better than Beaver.....Enough already.....For the sake of being done with it let's just say M. is better than Beav......No forget it I can't do it because that is ridiculous.....Go ahead hit us with some more provoking stats.....

[DuffMan]

Guess it depends on if you are going to compare only conference play or look at the teams entire season.  Considering that the Stout defense allowed SJU 26 point in their play-off loss that year and UWW allowed only a combined 21 points in TWO games against them...

Wow, you're drawing a comparison between a game in 2000 and games in 2005-2006?  That Stout team was tough.  The Johnnies that year were quite a bit better than the 2005 and 2006 Johnnies, in my opinion, at least.

[footballfan413]

Wow, Duff that was quick, do you have a special software that sounds a warning bell every time that SJU is mentioned on the WIAC board?        My point exactly.  As I said before, all apples and oranges in the whose better talk.  Just had to have some fun with BDB!   8)

Devil Badger Gopher, those are some seriosly impressive stats!

[stealth]

Forgot the period at the end of the sentence grammar teacher. 

Danny Jones is a solid painter

[DuffMan]

Wow, Duff that was quick, do you have a special software that sounds a warning bell every time that SJU is mentioned on the WIAC board?

No, just good timing.  I actually haven't been over here in days!

[Devil Badger Gopher]

Devil Badger Gopher, those are some seriosly impressive stats!

After further review of some stats, Hazuga, would have the single season mark as he had 2 in the playoffs, but playoff stats did not count until a few season after.  The defense also had that stellar run defense against some fo the best runners in the WIAC modern era (Wurth, Souhrada, Mocadlo, and the RF Wish bone).  This defense was why Strop has been so highly regarded, IMHO.

[Devil Badger Gopher]

Would anyone support this Whitewater run as being a dynasty to the WIAC? 
Only 5 times in the history of the Wisconsin Conference has a team won 3 consecutive outright championships.

If so, what has been the largest factor to this dynasty?

[Goo 62]

This is such a waste of time.  There are like 2 or 3 idiots on here that keep dragging this out.  Beaver is better and its not just me who thinks so. D3 football.com, Don Hansen, and the ever "so prestigious" AFCA thought so.  He is the best back in the WIAC no contest.  Throw out all the stats you want Beavers are still better.  You can have Moriaty who ever wants him.  I take the WIAC record holder, a gagliardi finalist, 3 time first team all WIAC and all american.  But he probably got all that stuff cause his team is so good.  RIGHT?

[02 Warhawk]

Would anyone support this Whitewater run as being a dynasty to the WIAC? 
Only 5 times in the history of the Wisconsin Conference has a team won 3 consecutive outright championships.

If so, what has been the largest factor to this dynasty?

consitancy of the offensive line. Even when Beaver was shooken up for a half this season, Anderson stepped in and ran the ball well. Also can't forget about the great recruiting/coaching mainly due to Berezowitz. Not to sell Leipoild short though.